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Idoit40fans wrote:pens_CT wrote:MRandall25 wrote:It is close. The owners are trying to break the Union.
They've done this 3 times since negotiations began. It's a bluff and the players aren't calling it (nor should they).
Break the union not really, stick it to Don Fehr most definitely. The more militant union members who remember the last lockout wanted revenge and brought in the hired gun Fehr to handle things. Too bad the owners locked the players out because they took away Fehr's first option which would have been to start the season under the old CBA, and then called a strike just before the playoffs when no progress on a new agreement was made (see baseball 1994 for reference). Fehr mised his option 2, by not asking for union decertification before the season started. This is not an option now, because the owners will cancel the season now if he tries that move, and its unlikely he can get a majority of his membership to vote for it anyhow. Fehr also miscalculated that public pressure would cause the owners to cave. This isn't the MLB, and the majority of Americans don't know or care that the NHL isn't playing games.
The tragic part of all of this is had Paul Kelly stayed as head of the NHLPA we would have never gone down this path. They would have settled for around 50/50, which is what Fehr will deliver when the dust clears, and no players would have lost a paycheck. The union brethren can thank those individuals who pushed Kelly out as the reason that all of this happened.
No. Without question, they are trying to break the Union.
If they played this season under the old CBA, there would have been no strike before the playoffs, because that would have been in violation of the CBA.
tfrizz wrote:Sarcastic wrote:But it is the stars that get long contracts. You're not going to see Dupuis with one over 5 years. So I would think it's the stars who get the 10 year/$100 million deals that are fighting to extent contract length. Not the mid and low level players. My guess is that the higher paid players convinced a number of the lower paid guys that their (stars') contracts may affect theirs.
I don't think it's the low level guys who are holding things in place. It's the big players.
The idea is that the money remains pretty well the same in those cap circumvention deals, so by extending the length they are able to lower the cap hit. A lot of those contracts go to the extremes, but they do open up a little more room for the little guys.
I'll use Kovalchuk's contract as an example, even it it's structured a bit differently. Kovalchuk has 3 years at a $1-million salary in his current 15-year contract. The assumption being made is that without those 3 years, the $3-million would simply be spread into other years. So instead of the contract being $100-million over 15 years ($6.67-million AAV) he'd be earning $100-million over 12 years ($8.33-million AAV). That extra $1.66-million per year in cap space can play a pretty big role in signing/upgrading players.
Bioshock wrote:Guarantee this gets done. They are absurdly close.
And both sides are already talking again.
Bioshock wrote:
And both sides are already talking again.
Gaucho wrote:Bioshock wrote:
And both sides are already talking again.
Forgive me, but do you have a source?
offsides wrote:Bioshock wrote:Guarantee this gets done. They are absurdly close.
And both sides are already talking again.
That is a big change for you.Maybe there is hope afterall.
offsides wrote:Bioshock wrote:Guarantee this gets done. They are absurdly close.
And both sides are already talking again.
That is a big change for you.Maybe there is hope afterall.
columbia wrote:The owners appear ready to throw away the entire year, if that ensures them of one of their main goals: crushing the union for good.
The players appear ready to throw away the entire year, if that ensures them of one of their main goals: continuing to live with their head in the sand.
So, yes, I'd say there is a reasonable chance.
MRandall25 wrote:A Hitler comparison to the NHL Lockout? I've seen it all...
Godric wrote:MRandall25 wrote:A Hitler comparison to the NHL Lockout? I've seen it all...
Definitely wasn't a serious direct comparison and most certainly a joke.
Calm down, Fehr lover
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