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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby Malkintent on Sun May 27, 2018 11:07 pm

You know what I meant. Calm down.
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby Sams_Dog on Mon May 28, 2018 1:54 am

The "trade (insert expensive player not names Sid or Evgeni here)" talk is not surprising. People are going to overreact if your team doesn't win the Cup - even after back to back Cups. Anyone who has followed the team long enough expected this. Anyone who is suggesting that the Pens trade Matt Murray can close their account here, go away and don't come back. Trading Letang may make sense if they get the right offer but that is probably only going to come from Edmonton who has an idiot GM or Carolina that has an idiot owner. I think Letting is staying and I am ok with that. If Kessel is really unhappy and ******** about Sullivan then I say trade him. He is an elite scorer and was a big part of two Cups but if he can't be happy being on a perennial contender who has won two straight Cups then send him on his way. I don't want him being a distraction and I doubt Mario, Rutherford, or Sullivan want that either. They could get a very good return on him and fill holes, specifically at left wing and defense. But if he's not unhappy and this is all BS then I have no problem with him staying. He just needs to have relaxing summer and not play hurt at the end of the season like he did his year. That was dumb.
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby Penspal on Mon May 28, 2018 8:33 am

So... I guess I can now bring back #TradeKessel

I mean, should I dust off the thread? I ate so much crow and deservedly so. Seriuolsy, I enjoyed watching Phil adjust his lid whilst looking at his reflection in the Stanley Cup for the last two years, but maybe that was more ego than really adjusting that hair... You can't do much with that.

Put me in the camp where I believe he focuses too much on his iron man streak.
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby pekkasteele on Mon May 28, 2018 10:26 am

I think it is very short sighed not to even discuss the possibility to trade Kessel, for a number of reasons:

1. We all can agree that we need som upgrade on D, replace Hunwick and have a better alternative if we get an injury or 2, or 3, and not just Ruh or one of the AHL-guys, since the AHL guys don't seem to be A class prospects. To do this we need to fre up cap space, and have something to give up, preferably one that have a high Caphit right now. Letang is of course another candidate, but then we need a top 2 dman in return, not just a top 6 and a good prospect.

2. The core is aging, Sid, Geno will not get traded, Hörnqvist was just signed so he is not getting traded. Letang, again, is an option but that create other problems.

3. Yes Phil hade a fantastic regular season, and we will not get someone that will give us the same amount of points like he did, but, we don't need to, first of, we now have Brass and Sheahan that can take some of the load from Sid and Geno so they can be fresher come playoff time, and can Kessel be replaced by 2 good wingers that gets 40-60 points each, one with Geno and one on the 3rd line with Brass, we spread out the scoring more also, and an upgrade over Hunwick on top of that, we should as a team be in a much better position.

4. Future, we need not only preform now, we need to in 4-5 year to, and we need to prepare for that, or, we have seen it before, if the club starts to miss the playffs when Sid and Geno winds down, the building will start to be empty again, and then we will not have to bother about been at, or above the cap.
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby LimerickPensFan on Mon May 28, 2018 11:06 am

Daniel wrote:
IntangibleBeer wrote:I'm sorry, but the whole idea of trading Phil Kessel is just plain nuts! :scared: :scared: :scared:

The guy had a career year, he's helped the Pens win 2 Stanley Cups, and he's more focused than ever. :thumb:

We have some defensive needs and those should be addressed. But breaking up the team is a knee jerk reaction. Sorry. :face:


It might be, but letting the team become the 1982 Steelers (the entire team got old at once) is a recipe for disaster.

It's going to be impossible to replace Sid and Geno until they retire, but you can certainly attempt to replace Phil and Letang via trade and maybe retool when Sid/Geno retire rather than full rebuild.

Do you really want to see Geno, Sid, Letang, Horngvist, Hagelin, Phil, and maybe a handful of others decline at once? To me, that's how you end up having to replace the entire roster at once and leads to 5-6 lottery years. As far as I'm concerned, Geno and Sid are the only untouchables with Hornqvist right behind them (and only for 2-3 years). If you can get 5 players/picks for Letang, Phil, Hagelin, I say go for it. Just make sure you get at least 2-3 blue chip prospects out of the deals.

How often do you have a team that is one of the favorites year after year to take it all? You want to use the Steelers? How about the 1980s and 1990s, where they were mediocre. I'd much rather have a team that had several down years followed by several years of top-notch players. The problem with the Steelers through the 80s and 90s was that they were never bad enough to get that top quarterback. Note that as soon as they got Roethlisberger (and there are ten teams kicking themselves for not taking him - what a stroke of luck for the Steelers), they once again became championship caliber. The same goes in hockey. To get that lottery pick, you have to be a lottery team for a bit.
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby Daniel on Mon May 28, 2018 11:29 am

LimerickPensFan wrote:
Daniel wrote:
IntangibleBeer wrote:I'm sorry, but the whole idea of trading Phil Kessel is just plain nuts! :scared: :scared: :scared:

The guy had a career year, he's helped the Pens win 2 Stanley Cups, and he's more focused than ever. :thumb:

We have some defensive needs and those should be addressed. But breaking up the team is a knee jerk reaction. Sorry. :face:


It might be, but letting the team become the 1982 Steelers (the entire team got old at once) is a recipe for disaster.

It's going to be impossible to replace Sid and Geno until they retire, but you can certainly attempt to replace Phil and Letang via trade and maybe retool when Sid/Geno retire rather than full rebuild.

Do you really want to see Geno, Sid, Letang, Horngvist, Hagelin, Phil, and maybe a handful of others decline at once? To me, that's how you end up having to replace the entire roster at once and leads to 5-6 lottery years. As far as I'm concerned, Geno and Sid are the only untouchables with Hornqvist right behind them (and only for 2-3 years). If you can get 5 players/picks for Letang, Phil, Hagelin, I say go for it. Just make sure you get at least 2-3 blue chip prospects out of the deals.


How often do you have a team that is one of the favorites year after year to take it all? You want to use the Steelers? How about the 1980s and 1990s, where they were mediocre. I'd much rather have a team that had several down years followed by several years of top-notch players. The problem with the Steelers through the 80s and 90s was that they were never bad enough to get that top quarterback. Note that as soon as they got Roethlisberger (and there are ten teams kicking themselves for not taking him - what a stroke of luck for the Steelers), they once again became championship caliber. The same goes in hockey. To get that lottery pick, you have to be a lottery team for a bit.


Look at the year before and after they got Roethlisberger. 2001 and 2002 they made the playoffs, one bad year, get Roethlisberger, 15-1 record, contender ever since. They were a perennial playoff team under Cowher, but mostly failed because he was too conservative at the wrong time (no way they should have lost to Dallas and it wasn't completely O'Donnells fault, but I digress).

Point is, the Pens will get lottery picks when Sid and Geno leave, BUT if you can get blue chip prospects or young players for Phil and Letang, you can make it a retool rather than complete rebuild. Now if trading either/or both player lessens the chances of a Stanley Cup, you don't do it. I get that. But I think they can improve the team and get younger with more cap space by trading Kessel and Letang. My opinion is that you trade Letang and keep Phil however.

With free agency, the fact that the league has become a parody (er parity), and the fact that it can take less time for a prospect to make the NHL, the Pens have a good chance of retooling rather than a complete rebuild.
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby LimerickPensFan on Mon May 28, 2018 11:58 am

Daniel wrote:
LimerickPensFan wrote:
Daniel wrote:
IntangibleBeer wrote:I'm sorry, but the whole idea of trading Phil Kessel is just plain nuts! :scared: :scared: :scared:

The guy had a career year, he's helped the Pens win 2 Stanley Cups, and he's more focused than ever. :thumb:

We have some defensive needs and those should be addressed. But breaking up the team is a knee jerk reaction. Sorry. :face:


It might be, but letting the team become the 1982 Steelers (the entire team got old at once) is a recipe for disaster.

It's going to be impossible to replace Sid and Geno until they retire, but you can certainly attempt to replace Phil and Letang via trade and maybe retool when Sid/Geno retire rather than full rebuild.

Do you really want to see Geno, Sid, Letang, Horngvist, Hagelin, Phil, and maybe a handful of others decline at once? To me, that's how you end up having to replace the entire roster at once and leads to 5-6 lottery years. As far as I'm concerned, Geno and Sid are the only untouchables with Hornqvist right behind them (and only for 2-3 years). If you can get 5 players/picks for Letang, Phil, Hagelin, I say go for it. Just make sure you get at least 2-3 blue chip prospects out of the deals.


How often do you have a team that is one of the favorites year after year to take it all? You want to use the Steelers? How about the 1980s and 1990s, where they were mediocre. I'd much rather have a team that had several down years followed by several years of top-notch players. The problem with the Steelers through the 80s and 90s was that they were never bad enough to get that top quarterback. Note that as soon as they got Roethlisberger (and there are ten teams kicking themselves for not taking him - what a stroke of luck for the Steelers), they once again became championship caliber. The same goes in hockey. To get that lottery pick, you have to be a lottery team for a bit.


Look at the year before and after they got Roethlisberger. 2001 and 2002 they made the playoffs, one bad year, get Roethlisberger, 15-1 record, contender ever since. They were a perennial playoff team under Cowher, but mostly failed because he was too conservative at the wrong time (no way they should have lost to Dallas and it wasn't completely O'Donnells fault, but I digress).

Point is, the Pens will get lottery picks when Sid and Geno leave, BUT if you can get blue chip prospects or young players for Phil and Letang, you can make it a retool rather than complete rebuild. Now if trading either/or both player lessens the chances of a Stanley Cup, you don't do it. I get that. But I think they can improve the team and get younger with more cap space by trading Kessel and Letang. My opinion is that you trade Letang and keep Phil however.

With free agency, the fact that the league has become a parody (er parity), and the fact that it can take less time for a prospect to make the NHL, the Pens have a good chance of retooling rather than a complete rebuild.

They failed because he never had a quarterback. That one blue-chip player at the position that matters the most.

The need is now. You want the best players you can get right now, because five years from now, two generational players are going to start slipping in their ability. This - right now - is the time that will never come back. If you propose a trade that does not immediately improve THIS team, you are throwing away the possibility of something great. There are very few players or even groups of players that you can trade either Kessel or Letang for that will immediately make this team better. We have a team built to win it all. All we need to do is tinker with some of the lower lines and pairings.

Let the future take care of itself. So we have a few dry years. I'd much rather have that plus a couple more cups than a decade of mediocrity - i.e. making it to the playoffs 3-4 times out of five and then making it to round to or even round 3 with no real chance of taking it all.
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby Maestro on Mon May 28, 2018 8:22 pm

If Subban is on the table Pens should pursue.
If successful, Letang gets moved.
The little I saw trashville in playoffs P.K. was the only 1 playing at a high level.
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby lemieuxReturns on Mon May 28, 2018 8:55 pm

Maestro wrote:If Subban is on the table Pens should pursue.
If successful, Letang gets moved.
The little I saw trashville in playoffs P.K. was the only 1 playing at a high level.


Seriously? Nashville has a lot of guys playing some great hockey. Forsberg and Josi to name just two.

Speaking of Forsberg. How about Kessel for Forsberg swap?
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby Great58 on Tue May 29, 2018 11:32 am

lemieuxReturns wrote:
Maestro wrote:If Subban is on the table Pens should pursue.
If successful, Letang gets moved.
The little I saw trashville in playoffs P.K. was the only 1 playing at a high level.


Seriously? Nashville has a lot of guys playing some great hockey. Forsberg and Josi to name just two.

Speaking of Forsberg. How about Kessel for Forsberg swap?

No way Nashville makes that trade.

I've heard mumbling on NHL radio that PK is passed his expiration in Nashville and they are ready to move on from him. That there are locker room issues, the other boys don't like his act. Not sure of the validity of such rumors, but they are interesting.
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby KG on Tue May 29, 2018 12:01 pm

I have no idea what the trade value is for Kessel. But I have a feeling his value is higher staying on the team and producing as opposed to what we would get in a trade for him.

I would probably say Letang has a higher trade value then Phill.
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby lemieuxReturns on Tue May 29, 2018 12:12 pm

KG wrote:I have no idea what the trade value is for Kessel. But I have a feeling his value is higher staying on the team and producing as opposed to what we would get in a trade for him.

I would probably say Letang has a higher trade value then Phill.



Going to have to agree with you on both points. It seems like people have a perception of Kessel (true or not) that will hurt his trade value. Not even two cups and a couple unbelievable playoff performances can overcome. Hopefully Sully can get over it this summer and come in rejuvenated and ready to work with an extremely talented and determined winger.

As for Letang, I think his time with the Penguins has passed. I am open to trading him.
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby FLPensFan on Tue May 29, 2018 4:05 pm

So, this isn't a trade proposal, and most of this is a rehash, but Josh Yohe wrote an article for the Athletic today about the Kessel/Sullivan relationship. The highlights:

---He started by talking about how Kessel is a pain in the tuchus for every single coach he's had at the NHL level. Moved into the August 1st lunch, where Sully flew up to Toronto to get on the same page. Kessel has never talked about it. Sullivan said it was just to get on the same page with Kessel.

---According to Yohe, Kessel was furious that he was not on a line with Malkin, and says Kessel felt this was unproductive both for him and the team. Sullivan believed this was a selfish attitude.

---Yohe says multiple people in the organization say Kessel was "pouty" about the above situation, and this could have affected his playoff performance.

---Yohe also again referenced the iron man streak issue, going back to the last game of last season against NY. Sullivan wanted Cole and Kessel to sit out and rest for the playoffs. Cole agreed, Kessel refused and played.

---Yohe says Kessel is not a problem in the locker room, but mentions he isn't really a role model for young guys, is usually the first guy off the ice for practices, likely spends more time at Rivers Casino than he does reviewing game film. Yohe also mentions that while some of that may not be the best situation, it works for Phil, and Phil doesn't wear a letter on his jersey or want to do that either.

---Yohe mentions Sullivan's power in the organization is almost unlimited. Says while Rutherford is the GM, he defers to Sullivan's preferences on many instances. Rutherford has also told Yohe specifically on many occassions that Sullivan is "the greatest coach he’s ever been around and with that comes great power."

---Yohe continues talking about Sullivan's power when it came to Ian Cole. Said Sully and Cole had multiple closed door meetings about Cole's chattiness in the media, and what Sully felt was Cole talking up his own play/abilities. Says Cole trade had more to do with this, and less to do with Cole being a UFA or anything he did on the ice. Yohe also commented about, if Rutherford had his way, Sprong would have gotten more time at the NHL level. Says there is something about Sprong that prevented Sullivan from wanting him to stick around. Finally, he says the Fleury-Murray debate was never really a debate at all....Murray was Sullivan's guy.

---Yohe summarizes by saying Sully isn't a tyrant. He is generally well liked by his players, fellow coaches, media, and others in the organization. Says Phil isn't a tyrant, rather eccentric, teammates roll their eyes at him but more in a loving way than a hostile one. But, he says, he does not think Sullivan likes Kessel much. And he said the feeling appears mutual.

---Yohe finishes by saying from what he has been told, the Penguins are not actively shopping Kessel, but they will listen if anyone makes an offer. At the end of the day, it comes down to how much Sullivan can tolerate Kessel, and that Sullivan will win out.
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby lemieuxReturns on Tue May 29, 2018 4:26 pm

so much to digest here.

Yohe continues talking about Sullivan's power when it came to Ian Cole. Said Sully and Cole had multiple closed door meetings about Cole's chattiness in the media, and what Sully felt was Cole talking up his own play/abilities.


Bolded the part above that is kind of odd. I read almost every quote in every Pittsburgh paper. I sometimes even skim articles just to get to the actual quotes. I never once thought that I was reading anything from Cole that resembled him playing up his abilities or value to the team. Never.


...the Penguins are not actively shopping Kessel...


Also odd, almost contradicts what everyone has been saying. That he is only the trade block and teams have been told he is available. Is this newer view because teams have not been very interested and the Penguins have to backtrack a bit because Kessel could be here next season?



Yohe says Kessel is not a problem in the locker room, but mentions he isn't really a role model for young guys,


I thought I remember reading an article where Jake said he basically looked up to him from when he was a kid on his dad's team and now on the Penguins. Not sure I buy that role model crap.



Finally, he says the Fleury-Murray debate was never really a debate at all....Murray was Sullivan's guy.


This was obvious when Murray got the reigns back after bing injured when MAF was playing great in the playoffs.


Rutherford has also told Yohe specifically on many occassions that Sullivan is "the greatest coach he’s ever been around and with that comes great power.


From my perspective, this seems very very true. And it seems like Sully has let it go to his head. I also am begining to question the letter he penned to fans. Was this a brilliant way of getting people to be cool with the eventual Kessel trade? Normally you could explain a trade by saying a player was not playing up to par. Kessel killed that narrative by having the best year of his career and following it up with another solid playoff run. Do not underestimate Sully. I would not put it past him if that letter was a way of getting people to give him the beneifit of the doubt on a trade he very much wants to happen.
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby Daniel on Tue May 29, 2018 4:38 pm

lemieuxReturns wrote:Yohe says Kessel is not a problem in the locker room, but mentions he isn't really a role model for young guys,

I thought I remember reading an article where Jake said he basically looked up to him from when he was a kid on his dad's team and now on the Penguins. Not sure I buy that role model crap.


I view Phil as just a goofy guy that goes to the beat of his own drum, which I like. Of course that doesn't play well with coaches who want players who tow the line. Even the biggest players coach would have a problem with Phil, but I don't think it's a serious problem, I think he's just difficult. Not in an insubordinate way, but in a quirky way. I think Sullivan is a good enough coach to adapt to him and I think he didn't have to before this year (because of Tocchet). I think it's something they can both adjust to and be fine.

As for the role model thing? These guys are professional hockey players and the Pens have enough leadership that Phil can just be Phil. If he's a role model, great, but if not, whatever.
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby KG on Tue May 29, 2018 5:23 pm

Thanks as always for sharing FLP....

Seems like Phill is the kind of guy who is OK to have around and have fun with until the winning stops. Then his personality becomes aloof etc. Now that we didn’t win 3 cups on a row he has been indentified as a problem child...

This very well could be the end as relationships end all the time, but I would really hope that JR, Sully and ownership weigh all options before moving on from Phill. It’s not an easy decision to make.
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby FLPensFan on Tue May 29, 2018 6:00 pm

KG wrote:Thanks as always for sharing FLP....

Seems like Phill is the kind of guy who is OK to have around and have fun with until the winning stops. Then his personality becomes aloof etc. Now that we didn’t win 3 cups on a row he has been indentified as a problem child...

This very well could be the end as relationships end all the time, but I would really hope that JR, Sully and ownership weigh all options before moving on from Phill. It’s not an easy decision to make.

I see Sullivan getting a lot of heat. I do think some of it is deserved as I have said a few times this post-season I see some of that Bylsma stubbornness coming through, that got Dan fired.

However, I think a lot of people forget that, Sullivan inherited a team mid-season, and he didn't get to pick and choose his players. Few coaches do, but at the same time, I think Sullivan has an idea of what works well and makes his team/system most effective, and what doesn't. And I think we are seeing that Sullivan made it work with Kessel, but it wasn't easy, and he has run out of patience or no longer thinks he can get the most out of this team with Kessel here. Everyone seemed to downplay the "Tocchet handler" for Kessel, but maybe that carries a lot more weight than we thought. And we very well could see Sprong in that same category in the future, although I think Rutherford will force the issue and make him play Sprong this year (since he has no waiver exemption).

The Brassard trade is the biggest trade the Penguins have made since Kessel. In the middle, look at what has gone out....Perron, Scuderi, Plotnikov, Bennett, Fehr, Pouliot, Reaves, Wilson, Archibald, Cole, McKegg. Those guys either weren't working, weren't much to begin with, or just didn't fit well. In return, the Penguins have brought in Daley, Hagelin, Schultz, Sheahan, Oleksiak, Jooris, and Brassard.
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby LimerickPensFan on Tue May 29, 2018 6:30 pm

KG wrote:Thanks as always for sharing FLP....

Seems like Phill is the kind of guy who is OK to have around and have fun with until the winning stops. Then his personality becomes aloof etc. Now that we didn’t win 3 cups on a row he has been indentified as a problem child...

This very well could be the end as relationships end all the time, but I would really hope that JR, Sully and ownership weigh all options before moving on from Phill. It’s not an easy decision to make.

Who, besides people in the press quoting unnamed sources, has identified Kessel as a problem child?
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby KG on Tue May 29, 2018 6:38 pm

LimerickPensFan wrote:
KG wrote:Thanks as always for sharing FLP....

Seems like Phill is the kind of guy who is OK to have around and have fun with until the winning stops. Then his personality becomes aloof etc. Now that we didn’t win 3 cups on a row he has been indentified as a problem child...

This very well could be the end as relationships end all the time, but I would really hope that JR, Sully and ownership weigh all options before moving on from Phill. It’s not an easy decision to make.

Who, besides people in the press quoting unnamed sources, has identified Kessel as a problem child?


Isn’t that all we are ever going to have though really? We never hear of a player bashing another player publicly. That would be unprofessional, as is the anonymous player quotes etc.

All I know is if we trade Phill we better be bringing in some serious replacements. This team struggled to score 5 on 5 with Phill in the lineup as it is...
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby KG on Tue May 29, 2018 6:47 pm

Someone post a fair Kessel trade to Arizona...

Tocchet connection. No pressure in Arizona blah blah.

Arizona has some strong young talent. Domi, Chychrun etc.

Let’s see it....oh and feel free to include Sheary and or hunwick in the package too! :)
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby FLPensFan on Tue May 29, 2018 7:45 pm

KG wrote:Someone post a fair Kessel trade to Arizona...

Tocchet connection. No pressure in Arizona blah blah.

Arizona has some strong young talent. Domi, Chychrun etc.

Let’s see it....oh and feel free to include Sheary and or hunwick in the package too! :)

It's tough because none of Arizona's top young guys (Keller, Perlini, Domi, Fischer, Dvorak) have enough experience for me to say yes, get this guy.

I don't think Arizona will trade Keller.....I sure wouldn't after netting 65 points in his first full NHL season. Domi has probably shown the most at the NHL level so far, after Keller. He had 45 points.....but only 9 goals. Can he get back to 18, or higher. Perlini and Fischer have good upside, but they haven't broken mid 30's level points yet. Big risk to take one of those guys and have that be their top end. Dvorak is similar, with added concern of serious knee injury he had last season.

I would probably have to say Kessel for Domi and 2019 first rounder is the best guess. I wouldn't mind adding Hunwick and taking one of their defenseman back and lowering the pick to a 2nd or 3rd, but, all their good d-men are LD, and all of them average over 20 minutes. I have a hard time seeing Goligoski, Hjarlmarssson, or Demers type coming here and dropping 4 or 5 minutes of ice time and playing on a 3rd pairing.
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby FLPensFan on Tue May 29, 2018 7:49 pm

LimerickPensFan wrote:
KG wrote:Thanks as always for sharing FLP....

Seems like Phill is the kind of guy who is OK to have around and have fun with until the winning stops. Then his personality becomes aloof etc. Now that we didn’t win 3 cups on a row he has been indentified as a problem child...

This very well could be the end as relationships end all the time, but I would really hope that JR, Sully and ownership weigh all options before moving on from Phill. It’s not an easy decision to make.

Who, besides people in the press quoting unnamed sources, has identified Kessel as a problem child?

Press is always going to cite unnamed sources. If they give up the sources name:

1. You are likely to get the source fired.
2. If the source doesn't happen to get fired, they are 99.9% sure no longer going to feed you information.

It's journalism 101. Some people get in such an uproar over it and want names. It never has and never will work like that.
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby ville5 on Tue May 29, 2018 7:51 pm

Dvorak if healthy and Chycrun to start since they wont part with OEL.
If the rumors are true and the ChiHawks are interested, how much more than Saad would it take for you to trade Phil?
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby KG on Tue May 29, 2018 8:08 pm

ville5 wrote:Dvorak if healthy and Chycrun to start since they wont part with OEL.
If the rumors are true and the ChiHawks are interested, how much more than Saad would it take for you to trade Phil?


Could definitely see a Saad/Kessel type of deal. Hawks would have to add I would think/hope.

Saad, Duclair, 1st round pick (not sure if the Hawks have a first this draft) for Kessel and Hunwick (or Sheary)

Seems realistic and fair. Saad comes home and Duclsir adds more offensive forward depth so we can role 4 lines again.
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Re: Kessel trade thread

Postby pens_CT on Tue May 29, 2018 8:28 pm

KG wrote:
ville5 wrote:Dvorak if healthy and Chycrun to start since they wont part with OEL.
If the rumors are true and the ChiHawks are interested, how much more than Saad would it take for you to trade Phil?


Could definitely see a Saad/Kessel type of deal. Hawks would have to add I would think/hope.

Saad, Duclair, 1st round pick (not sure if the Hawks have a first this draft) for Kessel and Hunwick (or Sheary)

Seems realistic and fair. Saad comes home and Duclsir adds more offensive forward depth so we can role 4 lines again.


If we are getting the Saad that scored 31 goals two years ago count me as being interested, if its the Saad that only scored 35 points last year, then his 6.0 million cap hit would be terrible overpayment and would cripple this team going forward.
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