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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby LimerickPensFan on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:23 am

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flame wrote:Lol that everyone thinks Wilson is just a goon. I really hate the guy but he’s a damn good hockey player. He’s gonna get a good contract and he deserves it. Hopefully they overpay him somewhat.


I think he's just a bigger version of Matt Cooke, cheap and cowardly. He'll fight more than Cooke, but the people he fights aren't exactly heavyweights.

I was going to say, from what I've seen, he runs away from a fight with anyone that has a chance to beat him.
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby jreed on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:36 am

Matt Cooke had quite a few bad hits over his career. I feel like Tom Wilson equaled his number of questionable hits in just this one playoff run.

That said the hits on McDonagh or Savard are going to go down as a couple of the worst elbows in NHL history and what Cooke will be forever known for.
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby Ohio_Pens_fan on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:39 am

FLPensFan wrote:Going to swing directions and take a look at some possible defensive targets. All advanced stats numbers posted are for Even Strength (CF% = Corsi For, SF% = Shots For, GF% = Goals For, SCF% = Scoring Chances For, SV% = Save percentage of goalie with this defenseman on ice). Numbers above 50% are better.

Player1: 27 years old, LH LD, made 1.8M last year. 81gp, 7g, 11a; CF% 48.89, SF% 49.52, GF% 48.70, SCF% 46.87, SV% 91.99; (Adv. stats middle of pack for D on his team) likely looking for 2.25-3M range as UFA
Player2: 30 years old, RH RD, made 1M last year. 23gp, 1g, 6a; CF% 58.44, SF% 59.38, GF% 52.63, SCF% 54.61, SV% 93.71; (Adv. stats near top of D on team) likely looking for 1-2M range as UFA
Player3: 27 years old, RH RD, made 1.95M last year. 44gp, 2g, 5a; CF% 51.11, SF% 48.01, GF% 44.68, SCF% 51.15, SV% 91.13; (Adv. stats near bottom of D on team); likely looking for 1.5-2.5M
Player4: 29 years old, LH LD, made 2.2M last year. 69gp, 5g, 20a; CF% 47.66, SF% 47.09; GF% 60.23, SCF% 45.72, SV% 94.35; (Adv stats mix between top and bottom of team); likely looking for 3M or more
Player5: 30 years old, LH RD, made 612K last year. 18gp, 0g, 3a; CF% 46.35, SF% 44.44; GF% 37.5, SCF% 44.72, SV% 92.00; (Adv stats worst on team d-men except SV%); likely looking for min contract

Just looking purely at the numbers above, and what these guys may be looking for, who might you want. Spoiler below tells who each player is.



Spoiler:
These 5 defenseman are from an article Dan Kingerski wrote about possible Penguins targets. Player1 is John Moore, 2 is Cody Franson, 3 is Andrej Sustr, 4 is Thomas Hickey, and 5 is Matt Bartkowski





I like the idea of Moore (would prefer an RD though); another I was looking at is Kevin Connauton, 28 from Arizona (another LD unfortunately) at 11 g, 10 a, $1M, and plays about 15 min/gm.
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby FLPensFan on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:57 am

Friedman just posted his 31 thoughts column for this week. Points of interest:

--Skinner has a full NMC, and he has provided Carolina with a small list of teams where he's willing to go.
--Lots of interest in JVR on Day 1 of negotiating period. He expects to narrow the list of teams by mid-week.
--Panarin reportedly preferring a move to LA, NY, or Florida
--Agents say they are expecting more arbitration cases this year. Saying negotiating has been tough for many RFAs, and expect more cases to go to arbitration and not settled beforehand.
--A team that was interested in trading for Mike Hoffman tracked down a college roommate of his fiancee to find out as much as they could. :shock:
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby ville5 on Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:09 am

KG wrote:
penny lane wrote:Reading today, Tavares 5 teams are: Toronto, Sharks, Stars, Knights... kings may or may not still be there after signing Ilya K. :o Always thankful Evgeni & Sid... and Mario never part of an NHL tour. For the Metro, hope Tavares stays with the Isles. He presents a challenge to the pens and is entertaining to watch in the regular
season.


Arthur Staple said rumor is the Bruins are the 5th team. I agree. Hope he stays with the Isles.

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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby FLPensFan on Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:09 am

LeBrun says interest in Skinner has cooled:

The hope in the Hurricanes’ front office was that Jeff Skinner would have been dealt during draft week and obviously that didn’t materialize. As of Monday morning, the sense was that things were fairly quiet on that end now. The team must wait for the next trigger-point to play out.

Which is to say some teams who don’t have him rated quite as high as other options they’re looking at will come circling back to Carolina over the next 2-3 weeks when they strike out on those options.

And the Penguins specific point on Skinner: I speculated last Friday about Pittsburgh’s interest in Skinner, GM Jim Rutherford, of course, drafted Skinner so that would make sense, but again as of Monday morning things on the Skinner front were quiet.
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby Daniel on Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:25 am

FLPensFan wrote:Going to swing directions and take a look at some possible defensive targets. All advanced stats numbers posted are for Even Strength (CF% = Corsi For, SF% = Shots For, GF% = Goals For, SCF% = Scoring Chances For, SV% = Save percentage of goalie with this defenseman on ice). Numbers above 50% are better.

Player1: 27 years old, LH LD, made 1.8M last year. 81gp, 7g, 11a; CF% 48.89, SF% 49.52, GF% 48.70, SCF% 46.87, SV% 91.99; (Adv. stats middle of pack for D on his team) likely looking for 2.25-3M range as UFA
Player2: 30 years old, RH RD, made 1M last year. 23gp, 1g, 6a; CF% 58.44, SF% 59.38, GF% 52.63, SCF% 54.61, SV% 93.71; (Adv. stats near top of D on team) likely looking for 1-2M range as UFA
Player3: 27 years old, RH RD, made 1.95M last year. 44gp, 2g, 5a; CF% 51.11, SF% 48.01, GF% 44.68, SCF% 51.15, SV% 91.13; (Adv. stats near bottom of D on team); likely looking for 1.5-2.5M
Player4: 29 years old, LH LD, made 2.2M last year. 69gp, 5g, 20a; CF% 47.66, SF% 47.09; GF% 60.23, SCF% 45.72, SV% 94.35; (Adv stats mix between top and bottom of team); likely looking for 3M or more
Player5: 30 years old, LH RD, made 612K last year. 18gp, 0g, 3a; CF% 46.35, SF% 44.44; GF% 37.5, SCF% 44.72, SV% 92.00; (Adv stats worst on team d-men except SV%); likely looking for min contract

Just looking purely at the numbers above, and what these guys may be looking for, who might you want. Spoiler below tells who each player is.

Spoiler:
These 5 defenseman are from an article Dan Kingerski wrote about possible Penguins targets. Player1 is John Moore, 2 is Cody Franson, 3 is Andrej Sustr, 4 is Thomas Hickey, and 5 is Matt Bartkowski


I think Matt Bartkowski would be a nice 7th defensemen and come pretty cheap. I think the fact that Franson seems to be a UFA every year is enough to not sign him. Andrej Sustr is the most intriquing of the list and might be a nice bottom pairing, though I'd just assume get Despres for the cost.
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby sjnhiils on Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:54 am

The Pens seemed to be after a 6th rhd to take some of the minutes Letang is logging. What about Carrick from Toronto? He is a good skater as well as being competent defensivelly.something they sorely lack. Maybe Hunwick and a prospect/pick gets it done.
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby FLPensFan on Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:03 pm

Daniel wrote:
FLPensFan wrote:Going to swing directions and take a look at some possible defensive targets. All advanced stats numbers posted are for Even Strength (CF% = Corsi For, SF% = Shots For, GF% = Goals For, SCF% = Scoring Chances For, SV% = Save percentage of goalie with this defenseman on ice). Numbers above 50% are better.

Player1: 27 years old, LH LD, made 1.8M last year. 81gp, 7g, 11a; CF% 48.89, SF% 49.52, GF% 48.70, SCF% 46.87, SV% 91.99; (Adv. stats middle of pack for D on his team) likely looking for 2.25-3M range as UFA
Player2: 30 years old, RH RD, made 1M last year. 23gp, 1g, 6a; CF% 58.44, SF% 59.38, GF% 52.63, SCF% 54.61, SV% 93.71; (Adv. stats near top of D on team) likely looking for 1-2M range as UFA
Player3: 27 years old, RH RD, made 1.95M last year. 44gp, 2g, 5a; CF% 51.11, SF% 48.01, GF% 44.68, SCF% 51.15, SV% 91.13; (Adv. stats near bottom of D on team); likely looking for 1.5-2.5M
Player4: 29 years old, LH LD, made 2.2M last year. 69gp, 5g, 20a; CF% 47.66, SF% 47.09; GF% 60.23, SCF% 45.72, SV% 94.35; (Adv stats mix between top and bottom of team); likely looking for 3M or more
Player5: 30 years old, LH RD, made 612K last year. 18gp, 0g, 3a; CF% 46.35, SF% 44.44; GF% 37.5, SCF% 44.72, SV% 92.00; (Adv stats worst on team d-men except SV%); likely looking for min contract

Just looking purely at the numbers above, and what these guys may be looking for, who might you want. Spoiler below tells who each player is.

Spoiler:
These 5 defenseman are from an article Dan Kingerski wrote about possible Penguins targets. Player1 is John Moore, 2 is Cody Franson, 3 is Andrej Sustr, 4 is Thomas Hickey, and 5 is Matt Bartkowski


I think Matt Bartkowski would be a nice 7th defensemen and come pretty cheap. I think the fact that Franson seems to be a UFA every year is enough to not sign him. Andrej Sustr is the most intriquing of the list and might be a nice bottom pairing, though I'd just assume get Despres for the cost.

If I'm looking purely at the numbers, I'm staying far away from Bartkowski. Only 18 games last year for a not so good Calgary team. Both Franson and Sustr were intriguing to me. For Franson (and I know his skating isn't good), his numbers were very good in the limited games he got to play, near the top of Chicago's D in all the advanced stats categories I reviewed. Sustr, while near the bottom of most of these same stats on Tampa's defense, Tampa's adv. stats numbers for their defense was very good across the board.
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby FLPensFan on Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:13 pm

Craig Custance has an article on The Athletic about UFAs and their general price range of what they will be looking for. He has Grabner in the 5-7M price range. :shock: :shock: :shock:

I'd stubbornly consider 4M, but not a penny more. Really should be in the 3-4M range.
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby Daniel on Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:18 pm

FLPensFan wrote:
Daniel wrote:
FLPensFan wrote:Going to swing directions and take a look at some possible defensive targets. All advanced stats numbers posted are for Even Strength (CF% = Corsi For, SF% = Shots For, GF% = Goals For, SCF% = Scoring Chances For, SV% = Save percentage of goalie with this defenseman on ice). Numbers above 50% are better.

Player1: 27 years old, LH LD, made 1.8M last year. 81gp, 7g, 11a; CF% 48.89, SF% 49.52, GF% 48.70, SCF% 46.87, SV% 91.99; (Adv. stats middle of pack for D on his team) likely looking for 2.25-3M range as UFA
Player2: 30 years old, RH RD, made 1M last year. 23gp, 1g, 6a; CF% 58.44, SF% 59.38, GF% 52.63, SCF% 54.61, SV% 93.71; (Adv. stats near top of D on team) likely looking for 1-2M range as UFA
Player3: 27 years old, RH RD, made 1.95M last year. 44gp, 2g, 5a; CF% 51.11, SF% 48.01, GF% 44.68, SCF% 51.15, SV% 91.13; (Adv. stats near bottom of D on team); likely looking for 1.5-2.5M
Player4: 29 years old, LH LD, made 2.2M last year. 69gp, 5g, 20a; CF% 47.66, SF% 47.09; GF% 60.23, SCF% 45.72, SV% 94.35; (Adv stats mix between top and bottom of team); likely looking for 3M or more
Player5: 30 years old, LH RD, made 612K last year. 18gp, 0g, 3a; CF% 46.35, SF% 44.44; GF% 37.5, SCF% 44.72, SV% 92.00; (Adv stats worst on team d-men except SV%); likely looking for min contract

Just looking purely at the numbers above, and what these guys may be looking for, who might you want. Spoiler below tells who each player is.

Spoiler:
These 5 defenseman are from an article Dan Kingerski wrote about possible Penguins targets. Player1 is John Moore, 2 is Cody Franson, 3 is Andrej Sustr, 4 is Thomas Hickey, and 5 is Matt Bartkowski


I think Matt Bartkowski would be a nice 7th defensemen and come pretty cheap. I think the fact that Franson seems to be a UFA every year is enough to not sign him. Andrej Sustr is the most intriquing of the list and might be a nice bottom pairing, though I'd just assume get Despres for the cost.

If I'm looking purely at the numbers, I'm staying far away from Bartkowski. Only 18 games last year for a not so good Calgary team. Both Franson and Sustr were intriguing to me. For Franson (and I know his skating isn't good), his numbers were very good in the limited games he got to play, near the top of Chicago's D in all the advanced stats categories I reviewed. Sustr, while near the bottom of most of these same stats on Tampa's defense, Tampa's adv. stats numbers for their defense was very good across the board.


To me, Bartkowski would replace Chad Ruhwedel or not be signed. I don't mind Ruhwedel, but was going by your list of options. Franson to me is probably not a bad defenseman, but one has to wonder why he's been a UFA so many times. Just a red flag to me. Is his skating that bad and he's nothing more than depth, are his salary demands unreasonable? Sustr, and even Despres, would be nice bottom pairing guys that can move up the lineup if needed, I don't think Franson can.
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby lemieuxReturns on Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:19 pm

FLPensFan wrote:Craig Custance has an article on The Athletic about UFAs and their general price range of what they will be looking for. He has Grabner in the 5-7M price range. :shock: :shock: :shock:

I'd stubbornly consider 4M, but not a penny more. Really should be in the 3-4M range.



He had an outstanding season with the Rangers last year, but didnt do much at all with the Devils. Before he went to the Rangers, he was not great at all with Toronto. He is one of those guys who could look great or look average depending on the system he is in. I would think he would thrive with us, but the issue is he is coming off a really great year.
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby Jim on Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:40 pm

FLPensFan wrote:And the Penguins specific point on Skinner: I speculated last Friday about Pittsburgh’s interest in Skinner, GM Jim Rutherford, of course, drafted Skinner so that would make sense, but again as of Monday morning things on the Skinner front were quiet.


Why are these "connections" always positive? Just because you worked with someone before it does not mean that you want to again.
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby jreed on Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:57 pm

Maybe a little surprised this hasnt been discussed. Any value is looking in to signing Orpik as a 6/7 defenseman? Does he have enough left in the tank if he could be signed for $1M?
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby Daniel on Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:12 pm

jreed wrote:Maybe a little surprised this hasnt been discussed. Any value is looking in to signing Orpik as a 6/7 defenseman? Does he have enough left in the tank if he could be signed for $1M?


This might be why:

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I saw this and had to share here... someone actually wrote a 25 page-long paper:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u7a ... y9Xp4/editdjlm
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... just threw up in my mouth a little...
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby Pens4Life on Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:14 pm

It would be nice to see Kunitz back for 4th line job.. he is still warrior and hard hitter
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby Daniel on Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:19 pm

Pens4Life wrote:It would be nice to see Kunitz back for 4th line job.. he is still warrior and hard hitter


I'd bring him back as a coach or in player development, but I think the franchise goal should be to get younger and faster and Kunitz will get in the way of that. If he does a 1 year $1M contract, plays about 20 games and moves into player development after, I think that'd be great. Anything more than $1M or 20 games will be an issue.
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby lemieuxReturns on Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:28 pm

I want nothing to do with Orpik. I never really liked him when he was here. He never played that well, he went out of his way to make big hits which always ended up resulting in a goal against, he got way too much credit for being a physical defensemen when he never really acted the part. He would skate away when his teammates were in skirmishes. Then he leaves for Washington on a huge contract that no one thought possible. He changed his stripes and started sticking up for teammates and playing the tough guy. But the worst part was the bashing of the Penguins organization. Mainly Niski but Orpik chimed in and never defended his former employer. I will never, ever welcome him back even if he was good at what he does..... which he is not.
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby Hatrick on Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:36 pm

flame wrote:Lol that everyone thinks Wilson is just a goon. I really hate the guy but he’s a damn good hockey player. He’s gonna get a good contract and he deserves it. Hopefully they overpay him somewhat.

on the ice he acts like a complete goon, he averaged 1 suspendable hit per series in the postseason, got suspended in the preseason, had questionable hits in past seasons. Laughs when called on his dirty plays and runs away when challenged by somebody bigger. He is skilled but he still follows the goon mantra. As somebody else said he is a bigger, more skilled matt cook. Since the caps clearly value goonery a lot hopefully that causes them to overpay him a lot.
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby cojac on Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:37 pm

I hope they sign D Luke Schenn. He’s still only 28, right handed, physical, and could take PK min’s from Letang which would lessen his min. Only made $1m last year. I’d give him a 2yr offer for between $3-4m.
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby Daniel on Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:42 pm

lemieuxReturns wrote:I want nothing to do with Orpik. I never really liked him when he was here. He never played that well, he went out of his way to make big hits which always ended up resulting in a goal against, he got way too much credit for being a physical defensemen when he never really acted the part. He would skate away when his teammates were in skirmishes. Then he leaves for Washington on a huge contract that no one thought possible. He changed his stripes and started sticking up for teammates and playing the tough guy. But the worst part was the bashing of the Penguins organization. Mainly Niski but Orpik chimed in and never defended his former employer. I will never, ever welcome him back even if he was good at what he does..... which he is not.


Frankly, I think Orpik "leadership" was a huge part of why the team failed in the playoffs for so many years.
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby lemieuxReturns on Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:45 pm

Daniel wrote:
lemieuxReturns wrote:I want nothing to do with Orpik. I never really liked him when he was here. He never played that well, he went out of his way to make big hits which always ended up resulting in a goal against, he got way too much credit for being a physical defensemen when he never really acted the part. He would skate away when his teammates were in skirmishes. Then he leaves for Washington on a huge contract that no one thought possible. He changed his stripes and started sticking up for teammates and playing the tough guy. But the worst part was the bashing of the Penguins organization. Mainly Niski but Orpik chimed in and never defended his former employer. I will never, ever welcome him back even if he was good at what he does..... which he is not.


Frankly, I think Orpik "leadership" was a huge part of why the team failed in the playoffs for so many years.


He was overrated in many ways. I think he cost the Caps the cup when he hit Maatta. It changed the entire series.
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby penny lane on Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:51 pm

No to Orpik- everyone has forgotten Adams and him trying to promote a new captain. Besides all that he plays the same way, just slower. Caps all praising his leadership. He never defended Sid against Steckel, Hedman- never - ever. I would rather see Spring switched to D!
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby Steve on Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:51 pm

lemieuxReturns wrote:
Daniel wrote:
lemieuxReturns wrote:I want nothing to do with Orpik. I never really liked him when he was here. He never played that well, he went out of his way to make big hits which always ended up resulting in a goal against, he got way too much credit for being a physical defensemen when he never really acted the part. He would skate away when his teammates were in skirmishes. Then he leaves for Washington on a huge contract that no one thought possible. He changed his stripes and started sticking up for teammates and playing the tough guy. But the worst part was the bashing of the Penguins organization. Mainly Niski but Orpik chimed in and never defended his former employer. I will never, ever welcome him back even if he was good at what he does..... which he is not.


Frankly, I think Orpik "leadership" was a huge part of why the team failed in the playoffs for so many years.


He was overrated in many ways. I think he cost the Caps the cup when he hit Maatta. It changed the entire series.


Yup, and he was also exploited in last year's series as well. Trotz kept putting him out there despite dressing 7 D too, I never understood that but was happy to see. He played much better in the playoffs this year but that's in relation to the garbage he was in the last two years.

Sid gets criticized for the whining on the way to the box, (which really doesn't happen anymore) - but no one whined as much as Orpik (except maybe Letang) after pretty much each penalty.

Orpik had some memorable moments for me as a Penguin, but no thanks on any return next season. I suspect it was in the plans to bring him back to the Caps all along anyway.
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Re: 2018 Summer Game Plan

Postby jreed on Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:54 pm

It unanimous, no Orpik :)
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