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Agreed, but this isn't a thread on thier rookie seasons or thier futures. It's on who is better right now and I don't think anyone would argue except of course NIN.Mad City Mike wrote:or any other game like that, for that matter. Since I didn't see Forsberg play at 18, or as a rookie, the numbers are all one has to go on. And Crosby's numbers far exceed Forsberg's at similar junctures. Llet's not forget that Forsberg was a rookie at 21. His team was similar to the Pens of today--lots of young talent that was ahead of where the Pens are. But Forsberg did not have near the rookie season at 21 that Crosby is having at 18.
FlyerNation wrote:Agreed, but this isn't a thread on thier rookie seasons or thier futures. It's on who is better right now and I don't think anyone would argue except of course NIN.
FlyerNation wrote:Agreed, but this isn't a thread on thier rookie seasons or thier futures. It's on who is better right now and I don't think anyone would argue except of course NIN.Mad City Mike wrote:or any other game like that, for that matter. Since I didn't see Forsberg play at 18, or as a rookie, the numbers are all one has to go on. And Crosby's numbers far exceed Forsberg's at similar junctures. Llet's not forget that Forsberg was a rookie at 21. His team was similar to the Pens of today--lots of young talent that was ahead of where the Pens are. But Forsberg did not have near the rookie season at 21 that Crosby is having at 18.
FlyerNation wrote:As for power forward on the Pens, Malone since Leclair is done.
FlyerNation wrote:Speed: Crosby
toughness: Forsberg has always been a marked man and gets hammered every night plus hasd been through serious wars. Cindy is getting there but hasn't faced playoff intensity yet.
checking: Draw (neither are big time bangers) Forsberg is exceptional at driving his men to the boards though. Forsberg can still lay an unexpected big hit once in a while.
balance: Forsberg The guy has people draped all over him and still is able to make a play. A tendecy to go down but that's because he's a flopper but not out of his lack of skate balance.
shooting: Draw: Neither shoot often enough. Forsberg does have an accurate shot when he decides to shoot but for argument sake I'll call it a draw. Sidney has a nice shot in close.
stickwork: Forsberg, Forsberg is unbelievable in tight situations and at times can work between 3 defenders to make a play. At times it looks like the puck is glued to his blade. Plus he is patient.
durability: Crosby obviously
boardwork: Forsberg. That's where he does his most damage especially down low and behind the net. He loves to work in tight.
NIN wrote:FlyerNation wrote:Speed: Crosby
toughness: Forsberg has always been a marked man and gets hammered every night plus hasd been through serious wars. Cindy is getting there but hasn't faced playoff intensity yet.
checking: Draw (neither are big time bangers) Forsberg is exceptional at driving his men to the boards though. Forsberg can still lay an unexpected big hit once in a while.
balance: Forsberg The guy has people draped all over him and still is able to make a play. A tendecy to go down but that's because he's a flopper but not out of his lack of skate balance.
shooting: Draw: Neither shoot often enough. Forsberg does have an accurate shot when he decides to shoot but for argument sake I'll call it a draw. Sidney has a nice shot in close.
stickwork: Forsberg, Forsberg is unbelievable in tight situations and at times can work between 3 defenders to make a play. At times it looks like the puck is glued to his blade. Plus he is patient.
durability: Crosby obviously
boardwork: Forsberg. That's where he does his most damage especially down low and behind the net. He loves to work in tight.
Speed: Crosby of course. He can reach top speed in two or three strides, tremendous acceleration, few in the league can match his speed. Let alone Forsberg who is average at best.
Toughness: Draw. I don't need to remind Flyer fans about who scored a game winner in OT minus 3 chicklets. EVERY GAME Crosby has dealt with the biggest, nastiest players in the league and they ALL make it a point to introduce themselves to Crosby. He is an 18 year old rookie and he isnt backing down from any of them. Forsberg once got destroyed by McCarty, I mean beaten like a *****. I can't imagine Crosby laying down and getting pounded on like that but time will tell. Out of respect for all the abuse Forsberg has played through, and all the nagging injuries, I will make it a tie out of respect.
Checking: Crosby. He is exceptional at it, but very very selective. He has simply DESTORYED players that are 6'5" 230lbs.+ but they never knew what hit them. Crosby understands the laws of physics and he has displayed force over matter all season. Players his size are frequently bumped several feet out of his way almost effortlessly. Forsberg plays physical, but he was never as good at checking as Crosby is already.
Balance: After some consideration, Crosby. Forsberg positions his skates as good as anybody I have ever seen play, he is right up there with Kovalev. It looks like he has dislocated his ankle at times, just so he can be properly braced for the impact. The result is usually Forsberg not budging and he can skate well while being leaned on. Crosby is alot quicker, so players can't skate fast enough to lean on him for extended periods of time. When people hit him he dosent budge either and he displays the same talent for always leaning the right way into traffic. Being able to do all that but at a faster level, makes Crosby better.
Shooting: Crosby. His shot is surgical but neither he nor Forsberg like to shot alot. Since they have allowed Crosby to roam to the point as I had suggested numerous times being the brilliant hockey mind that I am. He has been launching some one-time lasers from the point. As of right now he is only slightly better than Forsberg at shooting but soon I think he is going to be a tremendous goal scorer.
Stickwork: Crosby. He can do everything that Forsberg can do but at a much faster level.
Boardwork: Crosby. He not only can fight off checks as well as Forsberg but he can level those who are unsuspecting or smaller. Crosby plays like a 6'8" forward, fearless.
I have no problem with him giving some props to Crosby, the kid will be a star, but his breakdown is a complete joke to Forsberg. This had to be NIN's first season to ever see Forsberg play to give that analysis. Even if it was and you went solely off our games vs each other you still couldn't be ignorant enough to give that description.FallenHero96 wrote:Sorry NIN, but FlyerNation is right. Your skill breakdown is way too generous to Crosby.
FlyerNation wrote:I have no problem with him giving some props to Crosby, the kid will be a star, but his breakdown is a complete joke to Forsberg. This had to be NIN's first season to ever see Forsberg play to give that analysis. Even if it was and you went solely off our games vs each other you still couldn't be ignorant enough to give that description.FallenHero96 wrote:Sorry NIN, but FlyerNation is right. Your skill breakdown is way too generous to Crosby.
Ben Klingston wrote:One of the things that kind of worries me about Crosby is that he seems to go to the same moves over and over.
Split the D on the 2 on 1.
Making the 'slap-pass' on the PP.
But hey, if it works, Ok. He'll probably have to get burned by it a few times, but until he does, make someone stop him is the theory, I guess.
I agree with the others on Forsberg comparisons. Especially on the physicality part. I'd be ecstatic if he's Forsberg's equal some day. The very real prospect that he will be better than Forsberg is... awesome.
And the fact that we have a guy coming (hopefully) next year who has just as much chance to become that level of player is... very awesome.
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