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Trib gets 'scoop' on Impact Statements

Postby Bowser on Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:57 am

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune ... 30605.html

A ton of information missing but the reports are expected to be up Friday. I've already reviewed the ones made public in Philadelphia.

Isle of Capri Casinos
Projected cost: more than $1 billion
Projected slots revenue (per machine daily): $274
Projected annual visitors: 6 million
Impact on public services: More police and firefighters would be needed to curb vandalism, traffic problems and other crime.

Majestic Star Casino
Projected cost: $300-350 million
Projected slots revenue (per machine daily): $276
Projected annual visitors: 10 million
Projected peak Saturday visitors: 30,934
Impact on public services: The casino isn't expected to impose increased burdens.

Harrah's Station Square Casino
Projected cost: more than $1 billion
Projected slots revenue (per machine daily): $564
Projected annual visitors: Not available.
Projected peak Saturday visitors: 40,000
Impact on public safety: The city would get an anticipated $12.8 million in taxes on gambling to pay for police and firefighters.
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Postby bill from turtle creek on Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:16 am

The Gaming Board would be fools not to see that 2 of the 3 applicants have a very similar, and much lower, average daily income per slot machine than one of the other applicants. That number is extremely out of whack.

And given that one number is totally out of whack, it only stands to reason that every other number has to be viewed with suspicion, as well.

Of course, if Capri had such a glaring issue, much would be made of it. It will be interesting to see how the Gaming Board justifies not making an issue out of it.
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Postby Bowser on Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:22 am

Remember Abe Naparstek's interview with ESPN Radio, he said Harrah's would bring in 2.5 million tourists. I wonder what he thinks about IOC and Majestic placing total visitors in the 6-10 million range.
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Postby NIN on Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:31 am

bill from turtle creek wrote:The Gaming Board would be fools not to see that 2 of the 3 applicants have a very similar, and much lower, average daily income per slot machine than one of the other applicants. That number is extremely out of whack.

And given that one number is totally out of whack, it only stands to reason that every other number has to be viewed with suspicion, as well.

Of course, if Capri had such a glaring issue, much would be made of it. It will be interesting to see how the Gaming Board justifies not making an issue out of it.


Harrah's are nothing more than common racists. They think because they are in the white south side they will get more white customers with green money. Pigs.
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Postby ExPatriatePen on Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:34 am

NIN wrote:
bill from turtle creek wrote:The Gaming Board would be fools not to see that 2 of the 3 applicants have a very similar, and much lower, average daily income per slot machine than one of the other applicants. That number is extremely out of whack.

And given that one number is totally out of whack, it only stands to reason that every other number has to be viewed with suspicion, as well.

Of course, if Capri had such a glaring issue, much would be made of it. It will be interesting to see how the Gaming Board justifies not making an issue out of it.


Harrah's are nothing more than common racists. They think because they are in the white south side they will get more white customers with green money. Pigs.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby Bowser on Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:37 am

The race card should never be used in this process. Frankly, I'm sick of the race card being used at all in the 21st Century.
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Postby Mad City Mike on Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:58 am

Bowser wrote:The race card should never be used in this process. Frankly, I'm sick of the race card being used at all in the 21st Century.


Consider the source.
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Postby dboss on Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:45 am

I think the best part of the article states how SS expects the city to pay for any impact on traffic. Its already been proven that Uptown can handle 20k people in the area at the same time. That has NEVER happened at Station Square.
Another thing I can't understand is where their revenue projections are coming from. How are they expecting to DOUBLE the revenue of the other two casino applicants? I wouldn't be surprised if they added all the revenue SS brings in to their revenue projections. Someone REALLY needs to look at these numbers much more closely and I don't trust the Gaming Board will do it.
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Postby Bowser on Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:46 am

Dboss - The exposing of the numbers has already begun by IOC and Majestic mentioning the New Orleans lies.
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Postby ExPatriatePen on Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:01 am

dboss wrote:I think the best part of the article states how SS expects the city to pay for any impact on traffic. Its already been proven that Uptown can handle 20k people in the area at the same time. That has NEVER happened at Station Square.


I'm sure Ratner has a solution.

Maybe he's proposing the city (taxpayers) move Mt. Washington back another 200 yards from the Mon 8)
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Postby dboss on Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:02 am

Bowser wrote:Dboss - The exposing of the numbers has already begun by IOC and Majestic mentioning the New Orleans lies.


Yes, but they are obviously biased in their views and a lot of people just shrug that off as mud-slinging. An independent source such as the PG, Trib, etc. (assuming you believe they are independent) need to do an in depth study of the numbers reflected in Harrah's projections. The PG already did this, but I don't think they went far enough to explain how Harrah's got those numbers. Meaning, were their projections based on 40k people spending $300 everyday of the year, etc. I think the projections behind the numbers and asking them to explain how they expect 40k people to spend $300 a day is the better question and gives Harrah's much less room to lie as they have been doing. The obvious flaws in their logic needs to be exposed.
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Postby netwolf on Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:51 pm

Bowser wrote:Remember Abe Naparstek's interview with ESPN Radio, he said Harrah's would bring in 2.5 million tourists.


He also said Station Square is an existing tourist destination and that it brings X number of people to town per year, which is beyond crap.

As I asked at the time, has anyone ever met someone that traveled to Pittsburgh to see Station Square? I haven't. I know a lot of people that visit while in town for other things like, oh, I don't know... Penguins games?
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Postby rasbatch on Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:15 pm

might be an argument for the the perv draw? :shock:
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Postby BJL on Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:39 pm

Don't forget Harrah's has a huge database of clients all over the country and the world and SURELY they will fly to Pittsburgh specifically to play slots. :roll:
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Re: Trib gets 'scoop' on Impact Statements

Postby DelPen on Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:40 pm

Bowser wrote:http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/regional/s_430605.html

Impact on public safety: The city would get an anticipated $12.8 million in taxes on gambling to pay for police and firefighters.


Why is FC/Harrah's the only one with this caveat? Wouldn't all the plans everywhere in the state be in the same boat with having slots procedes pay for security?

Any hidden bias in this report is exposed by that last statement.
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Re: Trib gets 'scoop' on Impact Statements

Postby ExPatriatePen on Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:47 pm

DelPen wrote:
Bowser wrote:http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/regional/s_430605.html

Impact on public safety: The city would get an anticipated $12.8 million in taxes on gambling to pay for police and firefighters.


Why is FC/Harrah's the only one with this caveat? Wouldn't all the plans everywhere in the state be in the same boat with having slots procedes pay for security?

Any hidden bias in this report is exposed by that last statement.


You are right of course, but I think the inclusion of this paragraph in Harrahs statement (and it's exact opposite in IoC's) speaks more to the edge in experience Harrahs has over the other two.

Harrahs knew enough to take a negative, and make it sound like a positive. IoC just layed it out there for interpetation.
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Postby td_ice on Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:52 pm

dboss wrote:I think the best part of the article states how SS expects the city to pay for any impact on traffic. Its already been proven that Uptown can handle 20k people in the area at the same time. That has NEVER happened at Station Square.
Another thing I can't understand is where their revenue projections are coming from. How are they expecting to DOUBLE the revenue of the other two casino applicants? I wouldn't be surprised if they added all the revenue SS brings in to their revenue projections. Someone REALLY needs to look at these numbers much more closely and I don't trust the Gaming Board will do it.


I can see people from out of town coming to the traffic congested, hard to access Station Square slots, and saying, "never again, not worth the hassle."

If that proposal wins, with that location........ :roll:
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Postby Jamie on Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:58 pm

How about this for part of the impact study:

Harrahs-will cost the city 170 million dollars in street expansion, and bridges to make Station Square accessible.
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Postby Sam's Drunk Dog on Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:24 pm

Jamie wrote:How about this for part of the impact study:

Harrahs-will cost the city 170 million dollars in street expansion, and bridges to make Station Square accessible.


Is there any way you can back up that arguement? Do you have a link?

Thanks.
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Postby Jamie on Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:50 pm

No, sorry Sam, I was giving a for instance. I should have made that clear in my original post.
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Postby netwolf on Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:17 pm

I wish both the PG and Trib would have held off until they had the whole story, but once again the need to be first trumps the need to report a complete, correct story...
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Postby Zscout on Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:36 pm

Yes we all have to hate Harrah's and automatically hold the impact study suspect because it negatively affect the viability of a sports team.
Talk about sheep!
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Postby Tocchet on Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:48 pm

The race card should be used loudly and often by the IOC and Penguins since the area to be developed in their plan is a blighted, minority section of Pittsburgh that has long been forgotten and/or neglected in the oft-talked about, never-done downtown "revitalizations".
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