bill from turtle creek wrote:I'm disgusted by all of this not only as a hockey fan, but also as a citizen. Hockey aside, the ability of our elected officials to pull off this kind of **** is an absolute slap in our collective faces, and it just goes to show how little respect they have for any of us. We have just let these people play us for fools for too long.
Pitts wrote:bill from turtle creek wrote:I'm disgusted by all of this not only as a hockey fan, but also as a citizen. Hockey aside, the ability of our elected officials to pull off this kind of **** is an absolute slap in our collective faces, and it just goes to show how little respect they have for any of us. We have just let these people play us for fools for too long.
This is what yanks my chain. Everyone seems aware of this, but no one of consequence is calling these crooks out. They all look to get very, very rich off this slots deal at the cost of the Pens. That is especially obvious when they all of the sudden start calling for a plan B and are now willing to use taxpayer money. Which in itself will turn the general public agaist the Pens (it is working already).
Tocchet wrote:"With Zappala's brother on board with Forest City, the district attorney's office is not going to look twice at anything that happens, either, no matter how obviously slimy this all looks."
How does this all look slimy, crooked, criminal, et cetera?
And, would all of you be crying if it was the Pens who had Rendell's ear and played the political game as well as Forrest City is? I already know that answer.
DelPen wrote:Unless the alternative plan Forest City and Harrah's submitted was horrible there will be no investigation. Is Harrah's and FC's plan bad per se? Not really. It's a nice slots parlor and will generate slots revenues just fine. But the community would be stupid not to fully back the Pens plan because it brings so much more to the city, county and state.
Draftnik wrote:Rendell isn't some loser hick. The guy was in charge of the DNC. He raised hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars. He has personal connections that can line his pockets with $$$ until the end of time. He also has aspirations of other political offices such as the Presidency, US Senate when he is finished being governor.
I worked at a DC lobbying firm for a few years so I am well aware of how ex politicos and their staffers profit from their connections. Burkle is one of the biggest fish in the Democratic pond, much bigger than some real estate guy from Cleveland or a DA from Allegheny County that has no jurisdiction over a State license. It makes no sense to think Burkle could get pushed around by these political lightweights.
If the Pens have cards to play they need to put them on the table. Right now this sounds like part of their PR campaign to impune their opponents. Big on talk with zero corroboration. This is a high risk strategy if they don't end up producing corroborating evidence because they will impeach their own credibility in the process.
Draftnik wrote:I think Pens fans have to chill on this. There still is no timetable for awarding the licenses because the proposals have not been "deemed complete." We could be looking at Feb 07 based on the 1 year timetable. It is not logical for the Pens to unload their big ammo so far before the final gun.
The Pens actually have the guy with the deepest pockets of the competing groups and most ability to lean on Rendell in Burkle. Rendell obviously cozied up to him when he was raising money for the DNC, so lets hope Burke silently cashes in some big chips in the background as opposed to the Cleveland guys cashing in a $170K pittance.
$170K does not get you behind the roped off tables at this level.
Draftnik wrote:Burkle's empire includes Golden State Foods (largest supplier to McDonald's), Food4Less/Kroger (largest grocery chain in the US). This guy is a multi-billionaire. Here is a snippet of the $$$ he gave the DNC and thus Rendell:
I don't think he is a White Knight. He is the guy that pulled the plug on the sale to Boots. Burkle wants to make as much $$$ as possible off his $25M investment in the Pens. If the Pens get a brand new arena through IoC that would give the franchise it's highest valuation. I'm not going to debate that with anybody here because AEG will need to make profit off their $50M investment in KC, Houston already has the Rockets getting the biggest cut off Toyota center... I could go on and on, but the biggest price for the Pens will come if they get to run a brand new arena in Pittsburgh, control all concessions, parking, etc, and get revenue off 200+ dates of NHL and other NON HOCKEY events. There is no other city that could trump that and thus no other way Burkle would get more $$ for his stake than selling the Pens to remain in Pittsburgh and play in a new arena.
Draftnik wrote:The IoC proposal gives the arena to the city/county stadium/arena authority. The Pens would run it. They will profit off all events.
The Pens were never going to own the arena under any of their proposals over the past few years.