Bowser wrote:BCHILL - YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!
1. Why would a FRIEND of Mark Recchi, who works for the Penguins, say Recchi was the main source of the locker room problems between the veterans and younger players.
2. Why would that FRIEND of Recchi, also say Mark was telling anyone willing to put pen to paper that Crosby's attitude on and off the ice was a problem for the Penguins and NHL.
3. Why would that FRIEND of Recchi discuss a situation that Erik Christensen had enough of his **** and told him to f' off.
4. Why would multiple younger players CALL their friends in Wilkes-Barre to tell them things were ugly in Pittsburgh.
5. Why would TWO of those players actually discuss Recchi's attitude with Michel Therrien and Mike Yeo, if they didn't feel someone needed to help speak for them.
6. Why would that FRIEND of Recchi, discuss Mark's constant b!tching and moaning about Ed Olczyk and the coaching staff.
7. Why would that FRIEND of Recchi, discuss the NIGHT that I said I heard Recchi threw Edzo under the bus during a meeting with Patrick. It was Recchi who told Patrick the team was struggling because Edzo was struggling to adjust to the talent in the room.
There's a reason why the Recchi stuff came out from Madden and myself. Dave Molinari refuses to grow a set of balls and place some hard-hitting commentary in his game reports or team notebooks. Karen Price can't get a break because NO ONE respects her.
If it wasn't true, then explain why the organization has stood quiet?
Trust me, there is nothing this organization doesn't read in the papers or on the internet about every subject connected to its players, employees, and organization.
If it wasn't true, you think I would have TWO people of TWO different professions tell me in detail about Recchi's attitude with the younger players and Olczyk.
It is an undeniable fact, Mark Recchi ruined the dressing room for three months of the season until Michel Therrien was hired. Therrien told Recchi and his boys (LeClair/Odelein) to shutup and play, when he named Crosby an alternate captain by yanking the "A" off LeClair's sweater.
I was a Recchi fan until this season... I'm no longer a supporter because there's a WHOLE LOT more to this than just criticizing the young players or ripping Crosby to writers.
Tikkanen wrote:Ginger wrote:You ask, "If it wasn't true, then explain why the organization has stood quiet? "
We are talking about the organization that includes CP right? The Master of Mum?
C'mon...I really do think this needs more proof than 'my friend said that his friend said'. Even my young nieces can do better than that!
You know what Ginger, here's your proof - the product on the ice. The team sticking up for each other. Johnny LeClair actually leading on the ice. Younger players stepping up and making a difference.
"The proof is in the pudding..." well there it is on the ice. If you can't see a markedly different product on the ice from the second Recchi took his lazy azz game out of here, then you're blind. The chatter between players during the games is tenfold more. It's only logical to even a casual observer to note the difference, let alone people who follow this team as if they were a part of it.
I was pumped when we signed Recchi 2 years ago. However, a year of sitting around rotted his game, and apparently his leadership skills. Every game from the preseason on, the guy looked lost on the ice more often than not. His skills, as diminished as they are, still allowed him to perform at a decent level offensively. However, he was, at best, horrid with the puck in his own end from the first shift of the year. He'd pass to no one. He set examples that are STILL being undone as I type this, and won't be completely gone until training camp next year. Recchi came in here with the country club attitude to play and retire happy, and it didn't happen. He was looking out for #1, and that's it, maybe Mario. I never saw him, not once this year, stick up for his teammates. Not once. And that's leadership?
Seriously...what do you attribute the putrid efforts of this team up until the second he was traded to? How about the fact that he was a defensive seive for the entire year? How about his **** plus/minus?
I can't believe that people are still carrying the torch for a guy that was good, was important, and soiled the bed for most of a year when he could have gone out with grace.
ExPatriatePen wrote:It's been a rather contenous point around here recently as to whether Recc's was an asset or liability in the locker room.
From the Philadelphia Inquirer: Regarding Recchi and his feelings toward Penguins rookie Sidney Crosby: It wasn't that Recchi disliked Crosby, as some people have said. It was the fact that the kid entirely dismissed his advice on how to conduct himself with his whining and antics on the ice. You don't diss a guy who's won a Stanley Cup. Crosby, however, seems to have gotten his act together in recent weeks....
Bowser wrote:Sidney Crosby is not the only young player on the team to have had a problem with Mark Recchi and John LeClair.
Bowser wrote:There's no sense in further discussing this issue. I'm not going to continue typing the same things over and over again. Since Therrien came on board, things have changed, though John LeClair is unhappy that he's still here.
Mark Recchi is no longer a player for the Penguins and has no bearing on the future of this franchise.
Bowser wrote:actually, I let it go a long time ago but I'm not going to sit here and read people say Recchi is some saint and was never in the wrong.
Crosby is 18, he's going to learn... Recchi should know better by now.
enough on this.
Bowser wrote:BCHill - Jesus, you want example. Try Mario Lemieux.
He was selfish and refused to walk up to the podium on draft day... and now he's living in Pittsburgh and speaking English better than most yinzers.
Game. Set. Match.
Carry on people, nothing to see here
BCHill wrote:Selfish, or shy and felt out of his element because he didn't speak the language?
Bowser wrote:talking to Big Ben or Jerome Bettis away from the cameras and media, they're just as egotistical as Lemieux, Crosby, Gretzky, etc.
Fast B wrote:BCHill wrote:I compared Crosby to Eric Lindros and I firmly believe that in time he will be as shunned in Pittsburgh as Eric is in Philadelphia.
Draftnik wrote:Fast B wrote:BCHill wrote:I compared Crosby to Eric Lindros and I firmly believe that in time he will be as shunned in Pittsburgh as Eric is in Philadelphia.
That could be the dumbest post ever in the history of LGP. Crosby has been groomed to be the ultimate ambassador for the NHL in the Wayne Gretzky mold. His passion burns bright on the ice, but in his dealings with the press and public he is a model of marketing conscious political correctness. Crosby is being coached by IMG, the kings of sports marketing. He is not being advised by mama and papa Lindros.
Out of town sports writers like Jim Kelley claim Recchi was making calls to anybody that would listen trashing Crosby. Mild mannered hockey media like John Buccigross went out of their way to say Recchi was a problem in the Pens room. These guys talk to NHL players and have no reason to make stuff up and/or burn bridges. Even Mark Madden who you like to trash is a frequent visitor to the Pens room and is spoon fed information on the team from his buddy the Pens' VP of media relations. There is plenty of corroborating evidence to verify Recchi was a problem.
It is interesting how your defense of Recchi inevitably turned into trashing Crosby, the very thing Recchi was accused of by many credible sources.
dboss wrote: It's like the fact that nobody has video of OJ killing anyone. Because nobody has it, that means it couldn't have happened that way.
ExPatriatePen wrote:dboss wrote: It's like the fact that nobody has video of OJ killing anyone. Because nobody has it, that means it couldn't have happened that way.
And a jury of his peers agreed with you.