Tocchet wrote:Talk about negating yourself, Jesse, but you say that the RSL is a super-defensive league and someone who scores as much as Malkin is a great player, based on that context. But then you argue that Morozov is a bum even though he's had back-to-back big scoring seasons in that same league, and change the "rules" by saying "well, I saw some of his goals, and they're perimeter goals." Big deal -- they're goals, right? And it's a super-defensive league, right?
Sorry, kid, but you can't have it both ways.
Whether it's Morozov or another native Russian, the Pens are going to need another Russian forward to play for the Pens next year to ease Malkin's transition to America and NHL hockey. Gonchar's a great start, but I'd like to see a forward too.
rananda wrote:paired w crappy pens players morozov did not produce, correct. (except the year he led pens forwards in scoring)
paired w good pens players he did produce, in fact he did more than produce, he excelled. please tell me you think that isnt true so we can all laugh at you some more.
paired with crappy players in fla huselius didnt produce, playing w iginla he has.
not sure why this is difficult for you to understand. hockey is a team game and your linemates can make you look better or worse than you are.
watch malkin play in the olympics. if he plays w kharitonov and sushinsky, like i think he will, i doubt he will have a great tournament. whereas paired with ovechkin and afinogenov at the world champs he played great (not alot of points but he played well). skilled players, especially those who like to pass, need skilled linemates to play with. really this is not a hard concept but it is convenient for you to ignore it i guess.
rananda wrote:you seem to be suggesting that morozov's lack of production in th nhl relative to the rsl can only be explained by ice surface (?!?!?!?) or style of play. not sure what ice surface has to do w anything, but style of play is certainly one possibility.
vcip wrote:I don't mean to butt in but the statement "What you've shown me is that, in his late 20's, he's only sucessfully producing if someone is helping him out" is a bit curious when he put up respectable numbers playing with scrubs for most of the season when he led the team. He did not have help. Sorry but I do not think guys on this team could do it.
So what if he is a FA. No reson they couldn't get him back with a decent deal & to help with Malkin. Offer him a decent deal & give him lots of ice time. What are the other options. Maybe they could trade back for Kovy, I would do that but Morozov is most likely the most practical option includine team familiarity, being a WING (sorely needed) that is Russian & probably the cheaper option. Hell they gave LeClait 1.5M.
[/quote]vcip wrote:Ok, but don't you think they need some skill on the Wing? Just suggesting Morozov solves more than one problem. He is skilled, he is Russian, he likes it in Pitt & he comes fairly cheaply as skilled players come.
Yes it has some risk because he is not consistent & not a "proven" goal scorer, but he is under 30 & never really played a full year with some talent.
Well then trade for Kovy like I said.
Draftnik wrote:Morozov sucks. The guy does not have the courage to consistently play in NHL traffic. Most goals in the NHL are scored from the middle of the circles down and in. You have to be willing to pay the price, take and give body contact, etc to score in the NHL. Morozov is afraid to play in high traffic areas. I don't want to put words in Jesse's mouth, but I'd bet that is what he is talking about when he says he has seen clips of Morozov's RSL goals.
Most general RSL clips I've seen make that league look like a no contact All Star game compared to a typical NHL game.
Morozov scored on the first shift of his first game as a Pen. He was playing on the top line with Jagr & Francis vs. the LA Kings. He could he played on the top line the rest of his life if he played the game with heart and courage. Instead he played with indifference and fear. There was always an excuse; injury, wrong line, wrong position.....
It is easy to say he would play better with skilled linemates. That can be said about any player. I've seen Malkin play in the last 2 WJC and the last WC and I think his game translates better to the NHL than Morozov's because Malkin doesn't seem to be afraid to put himself in the good ice where guys get hit. The last 2 WJC were on the small NA ice and although he was shut out this year in the final game he did not appear to be a timid little girl like the Ice Princess.
rananda wrote:huselius and the other guys i mentioned would put up points w lemieux and kovalev. THATS WHY THEYRE CONSIDERED GOOD PLAYERS. players like fico fata and ryan malone and 2005 marck recchi and 2005 john leclair wont. THATS WHY THEYRE CONSIDERED CRAPPY PLAYERS. youve made my point for me.
rananda wrote:datsyuk averages less than 2 sog per game. he's a pretty good goal scorer. what was that you said about russian goal scorers?
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