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Postby Pops16 on Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:14 am

BacklashJack wrote:
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BacklashJack wrote:I agree with the article 100%. I dislike what Smizek says a lot and do think he is out-dated, but not in this case. Madden panders to the LCD and is more style than substance. He is a hockey fan and knows the league, I've never heard any evidence he actually knows the game in any great depth. Stan has more class in his pinky than Madden does in his whole body, and contrary to what some think, is just as great a proponent of the Penguins.

Madden is entertaining to listen to...especially when he ripped Harris post game. But I agree, his hockey knowledge sometimes is off, but he does keep the subject in the spotlight...and he does call a spade a spade.

I wonder who in this town would know most about the sport?


I don't know which sports show host actually knows the game, but the majority of the fans don't either, so it's a moot point. I imagine the average baseball fan is more aware of a given situation in baseball than the average hockey fan mainly because so many more people played baseball. You hear people calling in talking about more specific baseball or football topics that relate to the game itself but never for hockey. The talk early in the year about nobody seeing a system in place is most obvious. Most people couldn't hold a 10 second conversation on systems anyway but you had the average fan parroting what they heard others saying about it.


Madden had a pretty good hockey analyst on yesterday that made some great points about the Pens. Unfortunately I can't remember his name...but the reason I listen to Madden is becuase he has guests on like that.

Anywho, I agree with you about the writers in this town, they all seem to parrot eachother. You might as well listen to only one.
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Re: Thank you, Bob Smizik!

Postby pfim on Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:38 am

Tico Rick wrote:Thank you, Bob Smizik!

Although Smizik is just stating the obvious, a lot of people just don't get it. Madden's statements are not only untrue, it's the kind of talk that makes civil society less civil. It's unfortunate that so many people not only tolerate, but encourage, Madden's sort of behavior.


Smizik states the obvious, and at the same time perpetuates the image Madden wants him to. He should have written about the Pirates bullpen...
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Postby Bowser on Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:17 pm

If Smizik wanted to grow a set... he should have went off against the Rooney family for TAKING MORE tax payer funds to renovate Heinz Field.
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Postby ExPatriatePen on Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:22 pm

I wrote Smizik this morning complaining about his tarnishing the IoC application by associating it with Mark Madden.

Here was his reply:


As I have written, the slots license should go to the applicant who can do the most for the region, not the most for the hockey team. If, for example, Harrah's can bring in $25 million a year more than Isle of Capri in tax revenue, then it has to be considered.
As for the redevelopment of the Lower Hill, let's wait and see. The original Civic Arena has such plans in the late 1950s. Nothing happened. When the DeBartolo family owned the Penguins, it had the developmental rights to the Lower Hill in the late 1980s and did nothing, although it was one of the largest developmental corporations in the country. -- Bob Smizik


He makes a good point about unfullfilled promises of urban renewal.

I responded:

Bob,

I appreciate the fact that you took the time out to respond to my message.

I whole heartedly agree with you that the best proposal for the entire city / region should win. (Unfortunately since this is a State matter, what's best for the state takes precidence and those two may not be the same.)

You make extremely good points regarding the late 50's and Debartolo periods. I will have to say that other than MSG, there were no Nationwide Arena type complex's in those times. Multi-Purpose Arenas have matured as much as, if not more than Baseball Ball Parks did during their transition from Three-Rivers style venues to developments like PNC Park. It's a different time Bob, although investigating IoC / Nationwides plans and verifying their commitment is definitely in order.

On that same point, Harrahs has used development of the South Side / Station Square property an important component of their plan, and the same lack of commitment you illustrate for IoC would apply to FC/ Harrahs as well.

I've noticed that you are quick to point out that the Pens don't want to contribute any monies toward an Arena. I have no problem with that, not because I'm a Pens fan, but because it makes great business sense. The Pens have found private money to fund the entire Arena (Though they've agreed to cover any cost overruns), as you well know IoC would mean neither the Pens or the Taxpayers are on the hook. It's a Win Win Win scenerio Bob.

One last point is that Harrahs has grossly overstated their revenue projections. The projections they've given are out of line with the other two applicants. More importantly, their revenue projections are 25% higher than the revenues for the most profitable slots operation in the nation! I think you'll agree that sounds more than a little suspect. They project a Pittsburgh Station Square property as being one that will draw out of state vistors and indicate that the other two proposals will not. Honestly Bob, I don't care how many customers you migh have on your customer list, Bob Smih from Des Moines is not flying to Pittsburgh any faster to play the one arm bandit because Harrahs owns the property.

And I haven't even mentioned the traffic nightmares or projections of 2.5 people per car Harrahs has hyped beyond reason.

However, again, if the main focus of your column was to 'out' Mark Madden, great, I'm all for that guy going down in flames. (no pun intended) I just don't want the IoC bid to get hit with the collaterial damage just because it's associated with Madden

No repsonse from Smizik.

I'm not normally a letter writer but the Bully Pulpit of Smiziks column reaches a wide audience. Let the community decide on the underlying facts, not on some broadcasters/writers slant.
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Postby MWB on Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:46 pm

bill from turtle creek wrote:Madden can't expect to have any personal credibility with the kinds of attacks he makes. I stopped listening to him years ago, but from reading these posts it sounds like nothing has changed. In fact, he sounds like a desperate soul who is going further and further out on the fringes. When a pathetic figure like him is publicly associated with something, like Capri, it hurts much more than it helps, but his ego refuses to let him see this.

I suspect Madden realizes in his heart of hearts that he's been marginalized and is no longer taken seriously as a media member, and these sort of attacks reflect a desperate attempt to make himself more important in this matter, when it fact his credibility is long gone.


Wow, you take this far too seriously. However, Madden, in his own way, has helped the cause. In the very least he has upped the awareness about the whole arena situation from the beginning. He is getting his listeners (not all of whom are hockey fans) to be more aware. And if they are listening, they already know his style. It's not like someone just tunes in for a minute, hears Madden rip Harris, then says, "Whoa, the IOC plan must suck bc of this Madden guy."

As for Smizik.... completely misses the boat. Why not objectively look at the situation, instead of just bash Madden? As crass as Madden has been about Harris, there is some validity. Why not question Harris in more detail about why he supports the plan? All he got was Harrah's "will be the best for Pittsburgh."
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Postby Stoosh on Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:53 pm

Side not, I do find it funny that Smized plugged Madden's time slot and show just by adding it to the article. If Smizek truely hated him, he would not give the free press. Anyone wonder if Madden and Smizek are working together, bashing one another to get people interested in what they say?


Mark Madden and Bob Smizik...Pittsburgh's own Andy Kaufman and Jerry Lawler.
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Postby bill from turtle creek on Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:12 pm

[quote="MWB


Wow, you take this far too seriously. However, Madden, in his own way, has helped the cause. In the very least he has upped the awareness about the whole arena situation from the beginning. He is getting his listeners (not all of whom are hockey fans) to be more aware. And if they are listening, they already know his style. It's not like someone just tunes in for a minute, hears Madden rip Harris, then says, "Whoa, the IOC plan must suck bc of this Madden guy."

As for Smizik.... completely misses the boat. Why not objectively look at the situation, instead of just bash Madden? As crass as Madden has been about Harris, there is some validity. Why not question Harris in more detail about why he supports the plan? All he got was Harrah's "will be the best for Pittsburgh."[/quote]




I'm taking it too seriously? Am I the guy who advocates ASSASSINATION on the public airwaves? Please.

Madden helps the situation not one bit. He surely is now vilified by anyone in the middle of this situation, based on his hate rhetoric, and nothing he says can in any way be useful if everybody thinks he is a joker, which he is.

Harris may well be a whore, but you know what? If someone handed you a million bucks to be a spokesperson, you'd do the same thing. I bet a lot of people on this very board would take the other side of the casino issue if they were handed a million bucks. I'm sorry Franco has decided to line up with Harrahs, and it may well tarnish his image, but everybody has his price.
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Postby wondermoose on Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:17 pm

Wow, as someone going through journalism school, I'd have to say that's just about the worst piece of editorial writing I've seen in a big newspaper. I LOL at that.
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Postby MWB on Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:26 pm

bill from turtle creek wrote:[quote="MWB


Harris may well be a whore, but you know what? If someone handed you a million bucks to be a spokesperson, you'd do the same thing. I bet a lot of people on this very board would take the other side of the casino issue if they were handed a million bucks. I'm sorry Franco has decided to line up with Harrahs, and it may well tarnish his image, but everybody has his price.[/color]


Yes, everyone has his/her price, but they should also be expected to have to defend their choice. If I took a million bucks for it, I'd also be well aware of how I'd be viewed....

As for assassination, it's hyperbole.....
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Postby ExPatriatePen on Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:27 pm

bill from turtle creek wrote:Harris may well be a whore, but you know what? If someone handed you a million bucks to be a spokesperson, you'd do the same thing. I bet a lot of people on this very board would take the other side of the casino issue if they were handed a million bucks. I'm sorry Franco has decided to line up with Harrahs, and it may well tarnish his image, but everybody has his price.[/color]


Except that price was less than a million dollars. Read the column again. It was only after being approached by IoC that Harris accepted the FC / Harrahs offer.

Personally I think that the difference in ones standard of living from zero to a million is immense, the standard of living doesn't change as much with each additional million dollar increment.

True there are many Bernie Ebbers and Kenneth Lays in the world. But I don't count myself among them.
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Postby netwolf on Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:34 pm

I saw this when reading the opening paper and immediately wondered what kind of firestorm it would set off here. Why am I not surprised?

After reading it, I am angry with Madden because he is making me agree with Smizek and that makes me sick. The level of personal attacks on his show and the extent of the hyperbole he uses during them just got to be way over the top. Thank goodness for satellite radio to get me home. I will still tune in at the start of my drive to see if he's going to have any relevant hockey guests, but if not, or if his hockey talk is more along the lines of him going off on a rant or tirade, it's back to Backspin 43 for me.

As others have stated, you don't have to vilify Harris to support IoC. And if you want to be critical of him for being on the other side, there are certain ways to go about it. Make no mistake, I doubt Madden will be causing the Pens and IoC to lose support, and they aren't going to bring over any of the FC/Harrah's people either. It's the undecided ones to worry about and Madden's over the top garbage will turn some, if not many, of those people off.

What really kills me is that that column was focused on Madden and his antics. When one sportswriter writes a column criticizing another (who just happens to be an ex-employee of said newspaper) it strikes me as rather petty. Add to that that it appeared on the front of the sports section above the fold and it's even more so. One sportswriter blasting another is not what I consider to be relevant sports news, even if it is thinly disguised as an article regarding the slots license. The title of that column should have read "Why I think Mark Madden Sucks."

So do not be angry with Smizek for blasting Madden. Be angry with him and his editors for believing an attack on Madden for his attacks on others is worthy of being in the paper.
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Postby HomerPenguin on Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:51 pm

Reilly wrote:Here's what I sent in an e-mail

"Dear Bob,

Stop hiding behind The Post-Gazette and actually go on Mark's radio show and confront him if you have a problem with what he says. "


The thing is, and this is certainly not a defense of Madden, Smizik used to be on Madden's show all the time. I don't think Madden has changed. Either Smizik had a religious awakening after he stopped getting paid to be on ESPN Radio, or he's using his position as media columnist at the PG to bash potential competition (does Smizik have an agreement to appear on Fox 970?).
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Postby pensrule on Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:30 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:
Zscout wrote:I think the article points out a great point.
A local example of a fine citizen (and legend), Franco Harris, is being defamed by the local idiot.


Local Idiot? YES! Absolutely!

Harris a an example of fine citizenship? Please, spare me.

Franco was a great athlete who gave this city many proud moments, he also has, in the past, advanced the causes of such fine organizations as Big Brothers and Sisters etc... But on this issue, he's just going for a money grab.

This issue stands to have the biggest impact on Pittsburghs economic fortunes since David Lawerances Rennasaince - Forget about the Pens.

Harris is doing Pittsburgh a great dis-service. Madden isn't helping matters by using Junior high tactics to raise his profile and increase his arbitron numbers.

The whole things leaves me with a horrible taste in my mouth.

While I wish IoC would be a little more aggresive, I have nothing but respect for IoC, the pens, and Mario on this issue. They have maintained honor and dignity in the face of lies and politial backstabbing.

I hope that their effort to take the 'high road' works, if for no other reason than it's Karmic value.


Are you serious? Smizik's an old fool who knows nothing about hockey!
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Postby pensrule on Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:34 pm

bill from turtle creek wrote:Madden can't expect to have any personal credibility with the kinds of attacks he makes. I stopped listening to him years ago, but from reading these posts it sounds like nothing has changed. In fact, he sounds like a desperate soul who is going further and further out on the fringes. When a pathetic figure like him is publicly associated with something, like Capri, it hurts much more than it helps, but his ego refuses to let him see this.

I suspect Madden realizes in his heart of hearts that he's been marginalized and is no longer taken seriously as a media member, and these sort of attacks reflect a desperate attempt to make himself more important in this matter, when it fact his credibility is long gone.


Madden just tells it like it is. Franco should look in the mirror, his money hungry *** left this city once...if only he would do it again. :twisted:
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Postby netwolf on Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:03 pm

pensrule wrote:Madden just tells it like it is. Franco should look in the mirror, his money hungry *** left this city once...if only he would do it again. :twisted:


Does that mean that when he calls for someone to be assassinated, you literally go out and do it? After all, he is "telling it like it is." He must really mean it. I mean, it's not like he would ever use hyperbole to make a point, would he? :roll:

Why is it that any time someone is overly critical, that person and/or his/her supporters ALWAYS to to the "just telling it like it is" line?
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Postby SportsFan on Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:10 pm

Madden hates Pittsburgh, a few years ago he WANTED OUT OF PITTSBURGH.

The guy believes in Wrestling for heaven sakes.

Franco isn't a good citizen? Give me a break you clown. Franco can support whatever plan he wants, and yes I support the station square plan too.

Amazing why any of our former athletes wants to stay here the way they are treated.
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Postby SportsFan on Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:13 pm

pensrule wrote:
bill from turtle creek wrote:Madden can't expect to have any personal credibility with the kinds of attacks he makes. I stopped listening to him years ago, but from reading these posts it sounds like nothing has changed. In fact, he sounds like a desperate soul who is going further and further out on the fringes. When a pathetic figure like him is publicly associated with something, like Capri, it hurts much more than it helps, but his ego refuses to let him see this.

I suspect Madden realizes in his heart of hearts that he's been marginalized and is no longer taken seriously as a media member, and these sort of attacks reflect a desperate attempt to make himself more important in this matter, when it fact his credibility is long gone.


Madden just tells it like it is. Franco should look in the mirror, his money hungry *** left this city once...if only he would do it again. :twisted:



Harris left this city once? Explain that to me. I hope you arent talking about him signing with Seattle. You do know Rooneys didnt offer him a contract, right?
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Postby skullman80 on Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:58 pm

SportsFan wrote:Madden hates Pittsburgh, a few years ago he WANTED OUT OF PITTSBURGH.

The guy believes in Wrestling for heaven sakes.

Franco isn't a good citizen? Give me a break you clown. Franco can support whatever plan he wants, and yes I support the station square plan too.

Amazing why any of our former athletes wants to stay here the way they are treated.


The above bolded part you like to make clear in pretty much every post you make.
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Postby Pitts on Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:28 am

Shooters wrote:Anyone wonder if Madden and Smizek are working together, bashing one another to get people interested in what they say?

I heard they moved in together last week! :shock:
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Postby pensrule on Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:21 am

SportsFan wrote:Harris left this city once? Explain that to me. I hope you arent talking about him signing with Seattle. You do know Rooneys didnt offer him a contract, right?[/quote]

No he wanted more money. Anyways if you're actually in favor of the FC/Harrah's plan, you're a fool. That plan is so assanine. From there bloated revenue projections to the massive traffic jam it will cause in that area. Plus Station Square is already developed enough and the area around the current arena certainly could use a face lift.
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Postby 25+66+22=#1 on Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:06 pm

SportsFan wrote:Madden hates Pittsburgh, a few years ago he WANTED OUT OF PITTSBURGH.

The guy believes in Wrestling for heaven sakes.

Franco isn't a good citizen? Give me a break you clown. Franco can support whatever plan he wants, and yes I support the station square plan too.

Amazing why any of our former athletes wants to stay here the way they are treated.


This guy better watch it or Madden will call for his assasination too!! (lol)
Seriously though, Madden is crazy, juvenile, sometimes evil,and nobody agrees with the guy all the time. But if people take him that seriously, like Smizik and some on this board than they too have issues. In my mind Smizik is no better than Madden, he just tries to be an idiot with class. Well an idiot is an idiot. Smizik didn't write that article as an objective observer. He wrote it for other reasons and mainly to serve his own agenda which makes it crap. Just like what most of what Madden says is his own agenda, or an agenda designed to fire people up, so that too is crap. Do you people think he really cares that much about Barry Bonds? No he does it simply to push the buttons of people who hate Bonds. The thing is that although you will never hear him say it (in fact quite the opposite) Madden knows he's full of it. He's in his wrestling persona. Smizik seems to actually consider himself a serious journalist. He hasn't written anything worthwhile in ten years.
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