Crosby/Hossa = Gretzky/Kurri

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Postby Hawkeynut on Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:42 pm

Alrighty then...

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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Postby LdubsRoot23 on Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:45 pm

1) Crosby isn't Gretzky

2) Hossa isn't Kurri

can't compare HoF players with people based off of what "they MIGHT do"
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Postby KG on Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:48 pm

Crosby/Hossa is similar too a Forsberg/Hejduk in their prime and healthy....
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Postby newarenanow on Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:52 pm

I say let them play some games first before we even compare them to HoFs.
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Re: Crosby/Hossa = Gretzky/Kurri

Postby Number Nine on Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:11 pm

bchockey27 wrote:Hossa is a legitimate 50 goal threat on his own. And lord knows that he has never played with anyone that can pass him the puck the way Sidney Crosby can.. Before now who is the best set up man hes played with Slava Koslov, Daniel Alfredson??

The comparison is there, Jari Kurri was a talented winger that Gretzky made great. Just like Hossa is a talented winger that Sid can make great..


Well, I think you are overlooking or underestimating Marc Savard. The year that Hossa had his highest goal output, it was partly because of Savard. Savard is by no means Crosby, but is one of the three best set-up men in the league.
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Postby Jesse on Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:13 pm

Why can't players just be themselves? Why do people constantly have to make comparisons like this?

Crosby/Hossa = Crosby/Hossa
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Postby Kovy27 on Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:14 pm

*shakes head*
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Postby canaan on Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:15 pm

*stomps foot on ground a la shawn michaels*
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Postby LdubsRoot23 on Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:20 pm

Jesse wrote:Why can't players just be themselves? Why do people constantly have to make comparisons like this?

Crosby/Hossa = Crosby/Hossa


I agree, in ESPN the Magazine, there's an article by Michael Jordan where he talks about how its stupid to compare current guys to the all-time greats and pigeonhole players by proclaiming them to be the "Next MJ (or Gretzky in this case)"

I agree with that proposition...let each guy be what they are...
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Postby toby91_ca on Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:22 pm

bchockey27 wrote:And Hossa already has better numbers than Kurri did in any season that he didnt play on Gretzkys line.

Comparable, but not better.

88/89 - Kurri - 76games, 44 goals, 102 points.
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Postby Bowser on Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:22 pm

All I know is that I'm going to enjoy the dynamic combination of Crosby/Hossa and Malkin/Sykora with both sets matched with a solid two-way left-winger (Malone/Dupuis).

Can you imagine the headache for opposing coaches with only one defensive pairing capable of matching a top line? The best would be having the last change and Therrien putting his third line on the ice against the top defensive pairing unit of the opposition. It will force that team to stay on the ice or go for the quick change. If Therrien doesn't utilize a strategy like this and team doesn't win the Cup, I think he's gone.
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Postby Henry Hank on Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:29 pm

Doesn't that kind of play into the other coach's strategy? If you're playing your third line instead of the top two lines when the other team's top defensive pair comes on, you're doing exactly what they want. You're taking your best players off the ice. Top defensive pairs tend to log a lot of minutes. You're just limiting Crosby's and Malkin's ice time if you do that and increasing the minutes for the third line.
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Postby westside on Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:33 pm

Bowser wrote:All I know is that I'm going to enjoy the dynamic combination of Crosby/Hossa and Malkin/Sykora with both sets matched with a solid two-way left-winger (Malone/Dupuis).

Can you imagine the headache for opposing coaches with only one defensive pairing capable of matching a top line? The best would be having the last change and Therrien putting his third line on the ice against the top defensive pairing unit of the opposition. It will force that team to stay on the ice or go for the quick change. If Therrien doesn't utilize a strategy like this and team doesn't win the Cup, I think he's gone.


I have not really thought about M.T. since the trade, but I think you're on to something. He now has a team with elite talent (and some holes on D), but if the team can't finish strong and looks bad in the playoffs, the pressure will be on him for sure. I still think he gets one more year, no matter what tho.
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Postby Juice on Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:37 pm

canaan wrote:*stomps foot on ground a la shawn michaels*

TUNE UP THE BAND
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Postby canaan on Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:39 pm

Juice wrote:
canaan wrote:*stomps foot on ground a la shawn michaels*

TUNE UP THE BAND


http://youtube.com/watch?v=JnYcLG_f9LM
incredible.
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Postby crzymike on Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:50 pm

As others here have intimated, this type of comparison is way to premature! Why not see how they do a shift or two before we start talkin as if it's as productive as a Gretsky/Kurri combo. It's great to be excited but let's keep things in perspective.
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Postby Barracuda on Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:58 pm

I can't wait til the offseason when everyone gives their predictions for next year. Some people will think there's no way crosby can't get 200 points and Hossa 70 goals.
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Re: Crosby/Hossa = Gretzky/Kurri

Postby FlyerNation on Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:06 pm

Number Nine wrote:
bchockey27 wrote:Hossa is a legitimate 50 goal threat on his own. And lord knows that he has never played with anyone that can pass him the puck the way Sidney Crosby can.. Before now who is the best set up man hes played with Slava Koslov, Daniel Alfredson??

The comparison is there, Jari Kurri was a talented winger that Gretzky made great. Just like Hossa is a talented winger that Sid can make great..


Well, I think you are overlooking or underestimating Marc Savard. The year that Hossa had his highest goal output, it was partly because of Savard. Savard is by no means Crosby, but is one of the three best set-up men in the league.
Agreed. Good call, can't believe he wasn't mentioned.
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Postby FlyerNation on Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:11 pm

Barracuda wrote:I can't wait til the offseason when everyone gives their predictions for next year. Some people will think there's no way crosby can't get 200 points and Hossa 70 goals.
I love those type of threads on our board. Usually works out with the Flyers having a 50, 40 and 4 30 goal scorers with 5 players with 80+ points. The Briere predictions were the greatest. Most Flyers fans were stupid enough to think he'd actually put up more points than he did with Buffalo even though the Flyers style is completely the opposite.

This thread is just as bad. Comparing Crosby and Hossa to Kurri and Gretzky especially when they've failed to skate a single shift together is ludicrous.
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Postby Kovy27 on Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:13 pm

FlyerNation wrote:This thread is just as bad. Comparing Crosby and Hossa to Kurri and Gretzky especially when they've failed to skate a single shift together is ludicrous.


Image

You are correct.
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Postby Gaucho on Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:20 pm

bchockey27 wrote:Crosby will never put up gretzkys numbers but he will be better than him.. theres no might about that.


Ho hum.
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Postby newarenanow on Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:21 pm

Crosby/Hossa > The 80's Edmonton Dynasty + '80s Isles Dyanasy + 24 Canadien Cup teams; combined

:D
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Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:24 pm

toby91_ca wrote:
bchockey27 wrote:And Hossa already has better numbers than Kurri did in any season that he didnt play on Gretzkys line.

Comparable, but not better.

88/89 - Kurri - 76games, 44 goals, 102 points.


Relative to the rest of the league in each time period, Hossa's numbers are better.
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Postby Brian on Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:25 pm

I never really liked comparing players, but it seems the greatest ones have some similar abilities.

It seems like Crosby sees the ice in slow motion but leaves everyone else catching up.

What makes Sidney different from any other player is his exceptional balance. The power he generates is absolutely amazing for someone who is undersized compared to a lot of the greats.
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Postby FlyerNation on Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:28 pm

Kurri and Gretzky are a bad example anyways.

Gretzky outscored Kurri in goals 6 of the 8 seasons they played together so unless you're saying Crosby is going to be a 60+ goal scorer the comparison doesn't make sense.
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