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Crosby vs Lemieux

Postby supermario on Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:44 pm

season 1: Crosby 102 pts
Lemieux 100 pts

season 2: Crosby ?
Lemieux 141 pts

can Sid do it again?
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Postby saveourpens on Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:22 pm

I am sure most know this, but this is misleading considering the amount of games Mario played to earn 100 in his rookie season.
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Postby Henry Hank on Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:39 pm

Mario played eight less... but scoring also was significantly higher in those days. At the very least, it evens out.

I don't think Sid will get 140 next year because he probably is not going to have the linemates to do it. If he continues to play with Armstrong and Hilbert, I think they'll both score 30 goals, but he's going to need a 50+ scorer on his side to get to such high levels. Stranger things have happened, I guess... Personally, I'm expecting ~120.
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Postby Stevens25 on Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:16 am

Personally,I'd expect about 120-130. Assuming Malkin comes over,the Pens sign some better free agents and the refs continue calling penalties like they did this year. Crosby,and the Pens,should only improve next season.
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Postby Jim on Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:06 am

One MILLION!
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Postby Fast B on Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:05 pm

Jim wrote:One MILLION!


That's just even strength points. It's more like 2.5 million if you factor in power play time. :D
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Postby DelPen on Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:08 pm

I'll say about 45 goals and 75 assists next year. If he was on the top PP all year he might have had those numbers this season.

141 would be tough to reach but Crosby is capable of matching it under good conditions.
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Postby Jim on Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:53 pm

Fast B wrote:
Jim wrote:One MILLION!


That's just even strength points. It's more like 2.5 million if you factor in power play time. :D


Is that Canasdian or US?
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Postby Tomas on Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:02 pm

Jim wrote:One MILLION!


He will be able to do that ONLY if his linemates are Ditka and mini-Ditka! :wink:
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Postby relantel on Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:13 pm

i think an 100 assist season is possible for Sid - maybe he only gets to 75-80, but I can see his assist total skyrocket with some consistent finishers on his line the whole year.
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Postby Jim on Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:43 pm

He needs a Cheechoo
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Postby pmh118 on Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:24 am

It's tough to say who had a better rookie season between the two players. Personally, I think it's a toss up.

Mario
100 points in 73 games
Registered a point on ~36% of his team's total goals

Sid
102 points in 81 games
Registered a point on ~42% of his team's total goals


-Mario played 8 fewer games than Sid, which significantly decreased his percentage of points to total team goals.
[TIE]

-There was more scoring in the NHL during Mario's rookie season than Sid's. It was more of a run-and-run style back then, as opposed to the various types of defensive systems that are employed these days.
[ADVANTAGE SID]

-Mario played his rookie season with the 2-line pass rule enforced. He surely would have piled up more points without it due to his knack for getting breakaways.
[ADVANTAGE MARIO]

-Sid faced WAY more pressure than Mario did during his first year. Sure, Mario was in the spotlight, but it wasn't even close to what Sid went through.
[ADVANTAGE SID]

-Sid was surrounded by better players than Mario during their respective rookie years. I know that most of the veteran signings from this past year were a bit disappointing, but Mario truly had nothing to work with.
[ADVANTAGE MARIO]


So, like I said, it's a toss up. :)
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Postby André on Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:34 am

About the veteran signings and Sid getting the chance to play with these guys:

His prodcution _increased_ once they were all gone and he became the obvious go to guy. He did _better_ with Hilbert and Armstrong than with Palffy, Recchi or Lemieux.
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