Weisbrod, Sutter or Smith???

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Weisbrod, Sutter or Smith???

Postby Coozman1 on Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:21 am

As per this a.m's rags... I'm taken by thsi Weisbrod guy. Did anybody see him in the mix. 37??? He's done alot and could do more for the Pens than the other two. Sutter would be my second choice of the two and Bonzo the Wonder Chimp gets third nod, while Smith drops...big time.

Anybody got more info on any player deals that Weisbrod has been part of?


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Re: Weisbrod, Sutter or Smith???

Postby Jesse on Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:38 am

Coozman1 wrote:As per this a.m's rags... I'm taken by thsi Weisbrod guy. Did anybody see him in the mix. 37??? He's done alot and could do more for the Pens than the other two. Sutter would be my second choice of the two and Bonzo the Wonder Chimp gets third nod, while Smith drops...big time.

Anybody got more info on any player deals that Weisbrod has been part of?


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How about we opt for the other decision.

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Postby NIN on Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:56 am

I would'nt seriously consider Neil Smith ESPECIALLY after learning that he was a consultant for the Penguins! Are you kidding me Smith? He proclaims to be Patrick's friend but if he did ANY kind of consulting half of the moves CP made would not have been made. SEVER ALL TIES TO THE OLD ADMINISTRATION.

Sutter is my kind of hockey guy, I think he would do a great job if he surrounded himself with a cap specialist, etc... I have no problem with him getting the job other then the fact that his personality is like Patrick's. The on ice product would be hard skating, physical, and disciplined. I have no problem with that whatsoever...

This Weisbrod guy or whatever doesnt strike me as having an eye for hockey talent, particularly low round picks. I could be way off here but his basketball background and cap experiance means nothing. They need a hockey guy who KNOWS the game inside and out and KNOWS how to spot talent.

Out of these 3 Sutter is far and away my pick.
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Postby DelPen on Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:18 am

Maybe bring Weisbrod in as an assistant GM to help with the cap? I do like the fact that he used to be the Devils head scout and they have always drafted well.
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Postby Defence21 on Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:45 am

NIN wrote:I would'nt seriously consider Neil Smith ESPECIALLY after learning that he was a consultant for the Penguins! Are you kidding me Smith? He proclaims to be Patrick's friend but if he did ANY kind of consulting half of the moves CP made would not have been made. SEVER ALL TIES TO THE OLD ADMINISTRATION.

I would agree. Although, keep in mind that plenty of those moves CP made were to free up salary and not to bring in roster players. That really puts a limit on what can be done. Still, Neil Smith is a bad choice, in my opinion.

NIN wrote:Sutter is my kind of hockey guy, I think he would do a great job if he surrounded himself with a cap specialist, etc... I have no problem with him getting the job other then the fact that his personality is like Patrick's. The on ice product would be hard skating, physical, and disciplined. I have no problem with that whatsoever...

I agree again, here. He comes from one of the best hockey families in recent memory. The players, coaches, etc certainly would be accountable for their actions, which would be huge. As for personality, I don't know much about his..

NIN wrote:This Weisbrod guy or whatever doesnt strike me as having an eye for hockey talent, particularly low round picks. I could be way off here but his basketball background and cap experiance means nothing. They need a hockey guy who KNOWS the game inside and out and KNOWS how to spot talent.

Here is where I differ with you. Having read precious little about Weisbrod, I will say that I don't know much. But I do know that he was head scout for the Devils at one point, so his drafting likely is pretty good. He also started his career with hockey, then jumped to basketball, so I am assuming he knows hockey best, though he has reached a higher position in bsketball. As for the cap stuff, I think it would be important to have a GM who can manage the cap on his own. Hiring a capologist takes money away from someone such as a director of player development.

NIN wrote:Out of these 3 Sutter is far and away my pick.

I would agree that Sutter is the best pick, but Weisbrod shouldn't be ruled out. I also think Rick Dudley would be a good candidate, as others have mentioned in other threads this morning. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens, as their are a lot of good candidates for the job.

Wouldn't it be great if they interview, say 5 guys, and of them, 2 or 3 come to the team with different positions? There is nothing better than interviewing someone for one job and giving him a job with a lesser role...one he's overqualified for.
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Postby pfim on Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:48 am

NIN wrote:This Weisbrod guy or whatever doesnt strike me as having an eye for hockey talent, particularly low round picks. I could be way off here but his basketball background and cap experiance means nothing. They need a hockey guy who KNOWS the game inside and out and KNOWS how to spot talent.

Out of these 3 Sutter is far and away my pick.


Weisbrod isn't a basketball guy, he is a hockey guy. As far as Neil Smith goes, I doubt he had a lot of pull in the decision making process as a consultant for the Pens, especially while holding the OLN job. Still, his resume speaks for itself.
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Postby Bowser on Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:15 pm

As I've stated before, I think Weisbrod would make an excellent assistant GM based on his experience working with salary caps.
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Re: Weisbrod, Sutter or Smith???

Postby HomerPenguin on Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:04 pm

Coozman1 wrote:As per this a.m's rags... I'm taken by thsi Weisbrod guy. Did anybody see him in the mix. 37??? He's done alot and could do more for the Pens than the other two. Sutter would be my second choice of the two and Bonzo the Wonder Chimp gets third nod, while Smith drops...big time.

Anybody got more info on any player deals that Weisbrod has been part of?


Ron


I vote for option D, turn management of the team over to the chimp exhibit at the Pittsburgh Zoo.

Seriously, few things depress me as much as the thought of one of these three clowns taking over for Patrick.
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Postby jmh470 on Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:16 pm

Clearly you don't know who Brent Sutter is.
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Postby HomerPenguin on Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:26 pm

jmh470 wrote:Clearly you don't know who Brent Sutter is.


What's to know? Pretty good player, has done a nice job as owner/GM/coach of a team playing in the major junior Western Hockey League. Doesn't seem particularly motivated to work in the NHL, and if he did would probably want to be GM and coach (how's that combination been working out league-wide?).

I'm sick of the Penguins coaching and management jobs being kindergarten training for folks with no NHL experience. Maybe Brent Sutter would be a fantastic GM, I don't know. I feel fairly confident in saying that his success in fricking juniors doesn't necessarily imply that he'll have success anyplace else. Of the three guys on that list (the other two being Wash Up and Basketball Guy), I guess he's the best choice. But I wouldn't consider him for a second over Tambellini (or Nill if he were available).
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Postby NIN on Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:13 pm

Defence21 wrote:
Wouldn't it be great if they interview, say 5 guys, and of them, 2 or 3 come to the team with different positions? There is nothing better than interviewing someone for one job and giving him a job with a lesser role...one he's overqualified for.


The Penguins have publicly stated their desire to expand the new GMs resources so I am sure they could get a capoligist and a scoutoligist and even a travelologist. I dont know if a guy who didnt get the job would come here to work for someone else but like you said, it doesnt hurt to interveiw.

As for Smith, he couldnt come to terms with Kovalev and then dealt him for Nedved. Thats the biggest blemish as far as I am concerned but at the time both GMs were swapping problems so its not THAT bad. Theres more but I cant recall it all.

Weisbrod might be OK, I would just rather have a guy who is all about hockey instead of someone who seems more business oriented. Maybe he can wear both hats, I dunno but he isnt a name I trust right now but that could change.
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Postby Daniel on Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:38 pm

NIN wrote:Weisbrod might be OK, I would just rather have a guy who is all about hockey instead of someone who seems more business oriented. Maybe he can wear both hats, I dunno but he isnt a name I trust right now but that could change.


I say go get a guy like Weisbrod. He was the head scout in New Jersey, but that isn't the main reason I want him.

The team is about to be sold. Get a guy like Weisbrod, who will likely work cheap. He has GM experience, even though it was in basketball, plus he would be good with a cap. If he does well, the new owners can keep a young GM without spending a lot of money. If he fails, they won't waste a lot of money firing him. If they go get a guy like Smith, or another known GM, the price tag would be much higher and that might be a burden on a new owner.
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Postby pfim on Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:50 am

Weisbrod might be OK, I would just rather have a guy who is all about hockey instead of someone who seems more business oriented. Maybe he can wear both hats, I dunno but he isnt a name I trust right now but that could change.


He played 4 years at Harvard. He retired from the IHL because of injury. He trained under Lou Lamoriello as an executive at Albany, then took over the Orlando Solar Bears. The IHL was disbanded he took a job with the Magic (who owned the Solar Bears) and then took over as GM briefly. He has been a professional scout for the Dallas Stars.

He's a hockey guy.
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I agree, Mr. Tambellini

Postby Penspal on Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:45 am

Suter is too much a blue collar guy for a team with this much talent in the new NHL.

I'd like to see someone who is not too old, and not a gamble. Someone with experience and previous success in the job.

And Neil Smith is not it.

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Postby bh on Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:13 am

Jim Nill, Jim Nill, Jim Nill, Jim Nill, Jim Nill............... Let it sink in.
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Postby bh on Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:24 am

From the Detroit Red wings Website......

"Jim Nill - Assistant General Manager"




"Jim Nill begins his eighth season as assistant general manager and his 12th overall as a member of the Red Wings' management team. Nill's duties include directing Detroit's amateur scouting and selections at the annual NHL Entry Draft. He had also served as the general manager of the Adirondack Red Wings.
Nill continues to oversee the development of the Red Wings' prospects that are currently assigned to Detroit's main affiliate, the Grand Rapids Griffins of the American Hockey League, as well as those in the Canadian junior and European leagues. Three seasons ago (2001-02) Nill supervised Red Wing prospects assigned to Cincinnati (AHL).

Nill, 47, joined the Red Wings front office in the summer of 1994 following three seasons with the Ottawa Senators. He began his stint with Ottawa as an amateur scout and was promoted to the team's pro scout after only two years.

Prior to Ottawa, Nill enjoyed a nine-year NHL career as a Right Winger with Boston, Vancouver, St. Louis, Winnipeg and Detroit. He spent his final 21Ú2 years in uniform with the Red Wings after being acquired from Winnipeg Jan. 10, 1988. His NHL career numbers totaled 58 goals, 87 assists and 854 PIM in 524 regular-season games. Nill later went to Adirondack as a player/coach, retiring as a player after the 1990-91 season.

A native of Hanna, AB, Nill played for Medicine Hat (WHL) in the junior ranks, one year at the University of Calgary and was a member of the Canadian National and Olympic teams in 1979-80. He was St. Louis' fourth pick (89th overall, fifth round) in the 1978 Entry Draft.

Nill was named general manager of Team Canada for the 2004 Men's World Championships where the team captured gold by beating Sweden 5-3 in the championship game. "

Now that is an impressive resume to me. He is just what we need. An ex Scout, handled developing the young Wings, was involved with drafting, and for a GM i think he'd be relatively young. It's what everyone here wants. Got a gold with team Canada as GM!!!! What else could we want? Oh thats right, we need someone who knows someone within the organization.
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Great Work BH

Postby Penspal on Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:28 am

I am now a Jim Nill convert

Jim Nill
Jim Nill
Jim Nill

Jim Nill, jim nill, JiM, NiLl
jIm NiLL

Actually, very impressive resume indeed.

Go get him Ken

Ken Sawyer, Ken SaWYer, Ken....

you get my point.

done deal... where do i sign

I'm looking forward to watching the Pens in the World Championships for their respective teams.

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Nill

Postby puckeye on Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:30 pm

I think Nill would be a good fit considering his draft history but looks like Wings are doing what they can to keep him, according to EJ Hradek's blog.

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/in ... j#20060421

Several sources around the league say that Wings assistant GM Jim Nill has signed a multi-year deal to stay in his current role in Hockeytown. Those sources say the deal is quite substantial (about $550,000) for someone in his position.

Nill is highly thought of around the circuit. Many figured that he would be offered one of the GM jobs currently available. Apparently, family considerations weighed heavily into Nill's decision to stay in Motown.
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Postby Mountaineer on Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:36 pm

No, no, and maybe....

Weisbrod works for the freakin' NBA. Enough said.

Neil Smith screwed the Rangers big time with his garbage signings. Haven't we suffered enough under CP's regime?

Sutter seems to have a good hockey mind, and has done relatively well. Still, I think there are more qualified candidates (Nill, Tambellini, Dudley) that are available.

Let's go Pens!!!!
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Postby pfim on Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:51 pm

Weisbrod works for the freakin' NBA. Enough said.


He spent 2 years with RDV and 1 as GM of the Magic. He's spent 16 years in hockey.
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Postby NIN on Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:05 pm

bh wrote:Jim Nill, Jim Nill, Jim Nill, Jim Nill, Jim Nill............... Let it sink in.


NIL NIN NIL NIN....I like it.
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Postby netwolf on Sat May 06, 2006 9:07 pm

pfim wrote:
Weisbrod works for the freakin' NBA. Enough said.


He spent 2 years with RDV and 1 as GM of the Magic. He's spent 16 years in hockey.


I was listening to the 5-4 edition of Crash the Net at http://www.pittsburghpenguins.com/multi ... odcasting/

Bob Grove said that when Weisbrod resigned his post as GM of the NBA's Orlando Magic he said that it"wasn't in the best interest of the organization to have a GM that, in his heart, would trade three NBA Championships for 1 Stanley Cup."

That was around 5:10 in. Sounds like a hockey guy to me.
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