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Postby WWGRD on Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:09 pm

So who e-mailed him?
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Postby Kovy27 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:20 pm

I will not boo Hossa.
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Re: Bozo Columnist says if you boo Hossa, you're a knucklehe

Postby PenguinHockeyFanatic on Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:35 pm

cs6687 wrote:He also says Aramis Ramirez was the second-coming of Clemente.

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/08202/898253-61.stm


Bozo the Clown entertains again.

I'm currently taking vocal lessons from a renown opera super star with the hopes that by the time 2/8 gets here I will be able to boo so powerfully that it will make Hossa cry. Hossa didn't care about this cities feelings when he jumped ship to whore his name onto the Cup, so why on earth are these clowns so concerned about his feelings? These Bozo the Clown followers act like he is getting pelted with rocks or something, IT'S FRICKEN BOOOOING!!!!

IT WAS CREATED BY SMIZIK'S GENERATION!!!!! NOT OURS!!!


REAP WHAT YOU SOW OLD MAN.
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Postby EagleMorph on Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:37 pm

sjradio wrote:But let me ask you this. Hossa will probably be booed.

Why boo Jagr? wasn't he traded at the deadline to Washington? didn't he want to stay?

I don't understand why you don't all boo Mario Lemieux? He may have been the greatest player in Penguins history. But his record as an owner would be cause for him to get the ire from fans.

He was more than willing to hold your city, county, and yourselves the fans hostage for more than a year saying he was going to move the team. He was in Kansas City, he was more than willing to move the team if you didn't pony up the money for a new arena. He held the proverbial "gun to your head" and forced you to get a new arena so he could line his pockets with cash from luxury suites, corporate dollars, PSL's and other higher revenue that come from a new arena. You all are paying for this in one way or another. Whether it's from casino dollars, higher taxes, higher ticket costs, higher concessions, merchandising every time you change jersey's, PSL's, ticket surcharges.

Why is Mario still the "golden boy" in your eyes. You all are going to be paying for the gold of his "midas touch". Just because he changed his mind he's not the evil you would have saw him as if the Pens were in Kansas City right now?


Wow. Welcome to the board, but prepare to get destroyed by a multitude of fans...

1. Jagr is not booed because he was traded. He's booed because he whined and moaned about Pittsburgh on his way out. At one point, he said that he was "dying alive" with the Penguins. That did not go over well and that's why he's harshly treated whenever he returns. That said, when he reaches milestones or when he played his last game, Pens fans have saluted him.

2. Lemieux was handicapped for many years by the previous owner's debt. That led to low salaries and low financing as the Penguins tried to get out of it.

3. Lemieux did not hold the Penguins hostage. The government did. Local and state officials dragged their feet for years, refusing to work out a deal to finance a new arena, until a move suddenly became a legitimate option. Suddenly, with that threat, the government officials found a way to build a new arena, and they nearly botched that up too by not picking the right slots parlor. Luckily they found a secondary plan.

4. Very little public money is going to the new arena. The Penguins, slots money, and the government are paying for it.
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Postby therock48880 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:08 pm

I'll be honest, I'm a Wings fan and come here frequently (first post, though) just to check on the opposite viewpoint. (The same thread is on letsgowings.com). What I really want to ask you guys, since you are closer to the situation than I am, is doesn't the mass exodus of players concern you? I realize replacements were signed but it seemed like a lot of guys left and they left very quickly. That makes me think that something is wrong. I know some have complained about Therrien and maybe that's the reason, I don't know. Thoughts?

Now to the article, obviously I don't have a very objective view on the situation (and neither do many of you) but Hossa was a Pen for 32 games. When Fedorov left the Wings, fans were enraged and bitter. It sounds like the Penguins fans feel the same about Hossa. The difference is, Fedorov was a Wing for around a THOUSAND games and the Wings literally smuggled him out of the Soviet Union. I understand being hurt that Hossa left, because it negatively affects the Penguins, but this utter animosity seems a bit overboard. I mean, if it weren't for him last year, who knows what may have happened in the Finals. He was the one player (sorry, but Crosby didn't concern me because I thought Zetterberg could control him, at least at home when the Wings had last change) that scared the crap out of me every time he was on the ice. I watched for his number the entire game because he scared me. As one poster said earlier in the thread, Hossa going to Detroit didn't stop Pitt from getting top free agents. Honestly, Rolston was WAY overpaid, imo, so, in a way, maybe it's good the Pens didn't get into a bidding war for him. I don't know. The whole thing seems a little senseless to me.

Sorry if that offended anyone.
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Postby ivand87 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:14 pm

guiner wrote:
ivand87 wrote:
guiner wrote:all that criticism of his aside, he is 100% correct with this one.

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Ummmm... No he's not. There's no reason Pittsburgh fans shouldn't boo him. He chose Detroit over Pittsburgh. Is that not good enough of a reason?!

Hossa should be booed loudly every time he touches the puck on February 8th.


I'm going to come to McDonald's and boo you for choosing it over Burger King. Its his life, he didnt choose to come to Pittsburgh, he was traded. He was an unrestricted free agent. He certainly isnt restricted by your childishness.

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Childishness! Hahaha... The reason he chose Detroit over Pittsburgh makes me sick. The reasons many of us have chosen to not like him have been discussed here thoroughly. They're valid reasons to not like him. By telling us we're silly for booing Hossa, fans like you are basically supporting Hossa's decision to play for Detroit over Pittsburgh, which makes me sick. If you don't want to boo him, that's one thing, but not understanding why many of us don't like the guy and would boo him at the Igloo is preposterous.

This guy turned his back on the Pens. For whatever reason, he chose not to come back, even though he had something great here in Pittsburgh. It was his choice, yes, but that doesn't mean we don't have the right to not like him. And he should be booed.

All you Hossa lovers are all so soft. I'm not saying the Igloo should turn into the Wachovia Center with fans booing players left and right and being obnoxious, but this is ridiculous.
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Postby EagleMorph on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:18 pm

therock48880 wrote:I'll be honest, I'm a Wings fan and come here frequently (first post, though) just to check on the opposite viewpoint. (The same thread is on letsgowings.com). What I really want to ask you guys, since you are closer to the situation than I am, is doesn't the mass exodus of players concern you? I realize replacements were signed but it seemed like a lot of guys left and they left very quickly. That makes me think that something is wrong. I know some have complained about Therrien and maybe that's the reason, I don't know. Thoughts?


I'll answer the Hossa question that I did not quote with just this...Pens fans are not upset that Hossa left, they're upset how he left. He didn't give the Pens a chance to offer a 1 year deal similar to what he took from Detroit.

The above question, simply put, is not that concerning. Malone was a goner because we all knew he'd get paid. Hossa was expected to go, just not the way he did. The surprise, really, was Roberts bailing as fast as he did. Ruutu, Laraque, and the others all got more money, something we expected to happen after solid seasons.
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Postby therock48880 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:19 pm

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For whatever reason, he chose not to come back, even though he had something great here in Pittsburgh. quote]

Maybe he didn't think he had something great in Pittsburgh.
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Postby EagleMorph on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:20 pm

WWGRD wrote:So who e-mailed him?


I did:

Bob:

I have to say that I read your latest column in disbelief. Equating Pittsburgh fans to Philadelphia fans simply because they boo a few choice figures in Pittsburgh sports is, well, a statement only a "knucklehead" would make. It's not the concept that bothers me so much as the "proof" you use to back your reasoning.

First, you gloss over the Santa Claus booing, but it's symbolic of what else Philly fans have done. They've cheered the fact that a paralyzed Michael Irvin lay stricken on the Veterans Stadium carpet before he was taken off on a stretcher, his football career finished due to a neck injury. Philly fans boo Sidney Crosby because he's Sidney Crosby. No other reason. Phillies fans once booed their first black player, Richie Allen, simply because he wasn't white. Eagles fans even got future Mayor/Governor Ed Rendell into the act in 1989 with a barrage of batteries and snowballs during a Cowboys game.

Veteran Stadium patrons instigated so many incidents that they established a courtroom and jail right in the stadium

And yet you're complaining about Pittsburgh fans booing?

Not even that, your complaints are minor. Aramis Ramirez, for one, isn't booed all that often. Perhaps the general malaise and disinterest towards the Pittsburgh Pirates Baseball Club has set in, but Ramirez is only viewed negatively in the fact that he didn't exactly hustle as a Pirate and seems to destroy Pirates pitching. Of course, nearly everyone does these days, but Ramirez seems to particularly enjoy it. Thus, the displeasure of Pirates fans seeing him come to the plate.

Jagr's treatment is not because he was traded, nor for his bizarre behavior in the locker room, but for what he said close to his departure. "I'm dying alive" has become the mantra in reference to Jagr, and if there is one thing you should know as a Pittsburgh sports writer, it's that Pittsburghers hate their city or their brethren being trashed by another person, especially one of their own. Jagr crossed the line, and he's paid for it. But he's also been honored by Penguins fans, as was the occasion after his 600th goal AND his final appearance on the ice with the Rangers this past spring. He was given a standing ovation as he left the ice, something that was quite amazing considering Pens fans were rejoicing a dramatic overtime win that clinched the series.

Now, it's Hossa's turn. Pittsburgh fans aren't upset that he left. It's how he left. Penguins fans were willing to accept the loss of Hossa if he left for more money or a longer term deal than the Pens could give. That was understandable. But accepting a one-year deal without ever giving the Penguins a chance to match AND to do it with the team that just knocked you out of the Stanley Cup Finals smacks of being a hired mercenary jerk. Ray Shero was surprised. Michel Therrien was surprised - to the point where he cautioned 1250 ESPN the other day that they "didn't want to know what words I said" when he found out what Hossa did.

Bob, I think it's time you stop taking the reactions of Pittsburgh fans on the surface and look at what they are really ticked off about. The end result might be the same - booing of talented players - but the reasoning is more than justified.
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Postby therock48880 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:21 pm

EagleMorph wrote:
therock48880 wrote:I'll be honest, I'm a Wings fan and come here frequently (first post, though) just to check on the opposite viewpoint. (The same thread is on letsgowings.com). What I really want to ask you guys, since you are closer to the situation than I am, is doesn't the mass exodus of players concern you? I realize replacements were signed but it seemed like a lot of guys left and they left very quickly. That makes me think that something is wrong. I know some have complained about Therrien and maybe that's the reason, I don't know. Thoughts?


I'll answer the Hossa question that I did not quote with just this...Pens fans are not upset that Hossa left, they're upset how he left. He didn't give the Pens a chance to offer a 1 year deal similar to what he took from Detroit.

The above question, simply put, is not that concerning. Malone was a goner because we all knew he'd get paid. Hossa was expected to go, just not the way he did. The surprise, really, was Roberts bailing as fast as he did. Ruutu, Laraque, and the others all got more money, something we expected to happen after solid seasons.


Thanks for the explanation. That just seemed like a lot of the heart and soul of the Pens leaving and leaving quickly.
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Postby EagleMorph on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:23 pm

therock48880 wrote:Thanks for the explanation. That just seemed like a lot of the heart and soul of the Pens leaving and leaving quickly.


We would have loved to have kept every single one of them. They were all great as Penguins. But Pens fans knew that with so many available to other teams, it wasn't likely, so we're not concerned. This is how it's going to be with Malkin, Crosby, Fleury, Whitney, Staal, and others as the core.
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Postby therock48880 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:29 pm

EagleMorph wrote:
WWGRD wrote:So who e-mailed him?


I did:

Bob:

I have to say that I read your latest column in disbelief. Equating Pittsburgh fans to Philadelphia fans simply because they boo a few choice figures in Pittsburgh sports is, well, a statement only a "knucklehead" would make. It's not the concept that bothers me so much as the "proof" you use to back your reasoning.

First, you gloss over the Santa Claus booing, but it's symbolic of what else Philly fans have done. They've cheered the fact that a paralyzed Michael Irvin lay stricken on the Veterans Stadium carpet before he was taken off on a stretcher, his football career finished due to a neck injury. Philly fans boo Sidney Crosby because he's Sidney Crosby. No other reason. Phillies fans once booed their first black player, Richie Allen, simply because he wasn't white. Eagles fans even got future Mayor/Governor Ed Rendell into the act in 1989 with a barrage of batteries and snowballs during a Cowboys game.

Veteran Stadium patrons instigated so many incidents that they established a courtroom and jail right in the stadium

And yet you're complaining about Pittsburgh fans booing?

Not even that, your complaints are minor. Aramis Ramirez, for one, isn't booed all that often. Perhaps the general malaise and disinterest towards the Pittsburgh Pirates Baseball Club has set in, but Ramirez is only viewed negatively in the fact that he didn't exactly hustle as a Pirate and seems to destroy Pirates pitching. Of course, nearly everyone does these days, but Ramirez seems to particularly enjoy it. Thus, the displeasure of Pirates fans seeing him come to the plate.

Jagr's treatment is not because he was traded, nor for his bizarre behavior in the locker room, but for what he said close to his departure. "I'm dying alive" has become the mantra in reference to Jagr, and if there is one thing you should know as a Pittsburgh sports writer, it's that Pittsburghers hate their city or their brethren being trashed by another person, especially one of their own. Jagr crossed the line, and he's paid for it. But he's also been honored by Penguins fans, as was the occasion after his 600th goal AND his final appearance on the ice with the Rangers this past spring. He was given a standing ovation as he left the ice, something that was quite amazing considering Pens fans were rejoicing a dramatic overtime win that clinched the series.

Now, it's Hossa's turn. Pittsburgh fans aren't upset that he left. It's how he left. Penguins fans were willing to accept the loss of Hossa if he left for more money or a longer term deal than the Pens could give. That was understandable. But accepting a one-year deal without ever giving the Penguins a chance to match AND to do it with the team that just knocked you out of the Stanley Cup Finals smacks of being a hired mercenary jerk. Ray Shero was surprised. Michel Therrien was surprised - to the point where he cautioned 1250 ESPN the other day that they "didn't want to know what words I said" when he found out what Hossa did.

Bob, I think it's time you stop taking the reactions of Pittsburgh fans on the surface and look at what they are really ticked off about. The end result might be the same - booing of talented players - but the reasoning is more than justified.


Well written email. I emailed him also and commended him for being so unbiased in his journalism. He responded quickly and thanked me.

I didn't come here to argue with any of you guys, but the part of your email that I bolded is the part that would concern me if I were a Pens fan. He simply didn't want to be in Pittsburgh. Why? It can't be the weather because Detroit is just as bad. I think there's more to the "I want to win a cup mentality also". Obviously, had he stayed, Pitt would have been the favorite in the east. Even with adding him to the Detroit roster, there are still at least 3 teams that could knock the Wings off (Anaheim, Dallas, San Jose). Who would knock the Pens off in the east had he stayed? No one. So, he gave up an almost sure fire trip back to the finals to go to a team that has an extremely tough conference to play in. Factor that in with all of the other players leaving and it makes you wonder what is going on in Pittsburgh.
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Postby therock48880 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:32 pm

EagleMorph wrote:
therock48880 wrote:Thanks for the explanation. That just seemed like a lot of the heart and soul of the Pens leaving and leaving quickly.


We would have loved to have kept every single one of them. They were all great as Penguins. But Pens fans knew that with so many available to other teams, it wasn't likely, so we're not concerned. This is how it's going to be with Malkin, Crosby, Fleury, Whitney, Staal, and others as the core.



Good point. That's where we are SO lucky to be Wing's fans. Datsyuk signed long-term for below market value, Lidstrom did the same, Zetterberg will make 2.75 mill this year, etc... The list goes on and on. It started years ago with Yzerman deferring money, then Shanahan did, and it's carried down to this generation of players. So, if your five best players sign for 1-2 million less than market value, that frees up 5-10 extra million dollars.
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Postby EagleMorph on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:33 pm

therock48880 wrote:Well written email. I emailed him also and commended him for being so unbiased in his journalism. He responded quickly and thanked me.

I didn't come here to argue with any of you guys, but the part of your email that I bolded is the part that would concern me if I were a Pens fan. He simply didn't want to be in Pittsburgh. Why? It can't be the weather because Detroit is just as bad. I think there's more to the "I want to win a cup mentality also". Obviously, had he stayed, Pitt would have been the favorite in the east. Even with adding him to the Detroit roster, there are still at least 3 teams that could knock the Wings off (Anaheim, Dallas, San Jose). Who would knock the Pens off in the east had he stayed? No one. So, he gave up an almost sure fire trip back to the finals to go to a team that has an extremely tough conference to play in. Factor that in with all of the other players leaving and it makes you wonder what is going on in Pittsburgh.


I don't have an answer for that, other than to say Hossa's departure should not be linked to the other players leaving. The others were about money. Hossa, we're not sure.
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Postby EagleMorph on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:35 pm

therock48880 wrote:Good point. That's where we are SO lucky to be Wing's fans. Datsyuk signed long-term for below market value, Lidstrom did the same, Zetterberg will make 2.75 mill this year, etc... The list goes on and on. It started years ago with Yzerman deferring money, then Shanahan did, and it's carried down to this generation of players. So, if your five best players sign for 1-2 million less than market value, that frees up 5-10 extra million dollars.


And that's where we are right now. We're just getting those deals done. Crosby and Malkin could easily get the max and they're not. Staal will sign a fair deal within the next year. Fleury, when compared age and talent-wise to other goaltenders with his stats the past two years, is a steal. Whitney is a bit of a whipping boy on this board, but a defenseman with his talent at his price tag is very affordable.

So we're in a good spot, and we're just beginning to find out how to fill in around our core players. It's a bit of a bumpy process, but the end result, either way, should be very good for Pens fans.
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Postby Kovy27 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:41 pm

EagleMorph wrote:
therock48880 wrote:Well written email. I emailed him also and commended him for being so unbiased in his journalism. He responded quickly and thanked me.

I didn't come here to argue with any of you guys, but the part of your email that I bolded is the part that would concern me if I were a Pens fan. He simply didn't want to be in Pittsburgh. Why? It can't be the weather because Detroit is just as bad. I think there's more to the "I want to win a cup mentality also". Obviously, had he stayed, Pitt would have been the favorite in the east. Even with adding him to the Detroit roster, there are still at least 3 teams that could knock the Wings off (Anaheim, Dallas, San Jose). Who would knock the Pens off in the east had he stayed? No one. So, he gave up an almost sure fire trip back to the finals to go to a team that has an extremely tough conference to play in. Factor that in with all of the other players leaving and it makes you wonder what is going on in Pittsburgh.


I don't have an answer for that, other than to say Hossa's departure should not be linked to the other players leaving. The others were about money. Hossa, we're not sure.


Hossa's was about winning a championship...imo. Obviously, if he would have signed 10 years, 87 mill in Edmonton....it is about money.

Here is my opinion and I stated this in the LGP Free Agency Chat...

He saw all these people leaving and obviously was worried about the roster. You look at Detroit's roster....it is solid. The team has a legit shot to win back-to-back championships. The Pens...all of a sudden, we have a ton of free agents and an empty roster outside the "Core" of the team and a few others. There were a lot of question marks with the Penguins on July 1st. If my goal was to win a championship, I would join Detroit. The problem with his decision is....the West is tough. There are 6-8 teams that could easily win the west. So, Detroit could easily be eliminated in the 1st round or make a run.

The East...there are 4 teams that could come out, then it really drops off.

But...It was Hossa's decision, and I think it benefits the Penguins. Ray Shero did a great job filling in the spots...it is not Hossa, but they will fill in nicely.
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Postby therock48880 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:41 pm

EagleMorph wrote:
therock48880 wrote:Good point. That's where we are SO lucky to be Wing's fans. Datsyuk signed long-term for below market value, Lidstrom did the same, Zetterberg will make 2.75 mill this year, etc... The list goes on and on. It started years ago with Yzerman deferring money, then Shanahan did, and it's carried down to this generation of players. So, if your five best players sign for 1-2 million less than market value, that frees up 5-10 extra million dollars.


And that's where we are right now. We're just getting those deals done. Crosby and Malkin could easily get the max and they're not. Staal will sign a fair deal within the next year. Fleury, when compared age and talent-wise to other goaltenders with his stats the past two years, is a steal. Whitney is a bit of a whipping boy on this board, but a defenseman with his talent at his price tag is very affordable.

So we're in a good spot, and we're just beginning to find out how to fill in around our core players. It's a bit of a bumpy process, but the end result, either way, should be very good for Pens fans.


Guys like Malone and Roberts can be the glue to a team. After the Wings won their first two cups, many of their "glue" players were allowed to leave. The result was an extremely talented team getting beaten in the first and second round of the playoffs for a few years.
Well, I wish you guys luck. If the cap keeps rising, which it will if the league can keep getting Finals series like this year, I'm sure you will be fine. Maybe we could see a Detroit/Pittsburgh dynasty. It'd be great for the league. Maybe a real TV network could even pick up some games.
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Postby Kovy27 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:42 pm

therock48880 wrote:
EagleMorph wrote:
therock48880 wrote:Good point. That's where we are SO lucky to be Wing's fans. Datsyuk signed long-term for below market value, Lidstrom did the same, Zetterberg will make 2.75 mill this year, etc... The list goes on and on. It started years ago with Yzerman deferring money, then Shanahan did, and it's carried down to this generation of players. So, if your five best players sign for 1-2 million less than market value, that frees up 5-10 extra million dollars.


And that's where we are right now. We're just getting those deals done. Crosby and Malkin could easily get the max and they're not. Staal will sign a fair deal within the next year. Fleury, when compared age and talent-wise to other goaltenders with his stats the past two years, is a steal. Whitney is a bit of a whipping boy on this board, but a defenseman with his talent at his price tag is very affordable.

So we're in a good spot, and we're just beginning to find out how to fill in around our core players. It's a bit of a bumpy process, but the end result, either way, should be very good for Pens fans.


Guys like Malone and Roberts can be the glue to a team. After the Wings won their first two cups, many of their "glue" players were allowed to leave. The result was an extremely talented team getting beaten in the first and second round of the playoffs for a few years.
Well, I wish you guys luck. If the cap keeps rising, which it will if the league can keep getting Finals series like this year, I'm sure you will be fine. Maybe we could see a Detroit/Pittsburgh dynasty. It'd be great for the league. Maybe a real TV network could even pick up some games.


Colby Armstrong was believed to be the "glue" of this team. We know what happened after our glue left.

Chicago/Pittsburgh dynasties...if you want call it them that....would be great for the league.
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Postby IrishEyes on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:43 pm

To the Wings fans that have graced us with their presence, it's important for you to understand that Pittsburgh fans take things personally. With guys like Sid and Geno on our team, it's hard for us to accept that someone like Hossa wouldn't want to play here. We accept it, yeah, but it's hard. What's damn near impossible for us to accept is that he chose this one year deal over a seven year deal for about the same amount of money per. It's also damn near impossible for us to accept that he wanted to play in Detroit, the team that beat the Pens in the finals, and held out giving the Pens his decision, even though we're all 99 percent sure he'd already made his mind up long before.

He's considered a traitor, basically, and will be treated as such. Not by me, as I'm not one for booing, but by others. To understand the Pittsburgh sports fan mentality, you have to be one.

Note to all LGP'rs, I'm not speaking for everyone. It's just my personal opinion and how I see it.
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Postby ivand87 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:47 pm

therock48880 wrote:
ivand87 wrote:For whatever reason, he chose not to come back, even though he had something great here in Pittsburgh.


Maybe he didn't think he had something great in Pittsburgh.


Oh yes, reaching the Finals for the first time in his career and playing on the wing of the best playmaker in the NHL is NOT a good thing. He simply did not realize that. :roll:

Wings fans trolling LGP... Fantastic. Why do you care what happens with the Pens? You won the Cup and we're not as good without Hossa now. Celebrate some more that you took our best winger in free agency and made us weaker while you guys got even better. You beat us in the Cup Finals and then you slapped us in the face in free agency. If I was a Wings fan I wouldn't even show up on Penguins forums just because the Wings have already humiliated us enough by hoisting the Cup in our building and taking Hossa away. Do you really have to come in here asking questions and showing off?

But more importantly, how is it that Detroit fans (and even a few Pens fans) don't understand why a lot of us are upset that Hossa basically took the easy route for the Cup when he already had a GREAT chance to win it with the Pens? Isn't this extremely obvious? He literally pulled the old "If you can't beat em, join em" and stabbed the Pens in the back.

As Henry Hank and others have said, we're upset that this guy had to go to the very best team in the league and make them even better. The team that beat us. But also the same team that had tons of trouble putting us away. Remember game 5 how we came out and took a 2-0 lead in the first period and even as the Wings came back and took the lead in the 3rd, Talbot scored to force OT and Fleury stood on his head to allow Sykora to win it in the 3rd OT. And remember how close we were in game 6 when Sid with that backhander nearly tied the game at 3 with a second left and Hossa himself almost put in the rebound as time expired.

I'll take it up a notch - the Penguins have a brighter future than the Red Wings! Even without Hossa, they are the best team in the East and will compete against any team in the West, including Hossa's Wings. Crosby, Malkin and Staal, our 3 best players not counting Fleury, are all under 22 years of age! Crosby and Malkin have already been nominated for the Hart Trophy, with Crosby winning it in 2007, and Staal has become one of the best penalty killers in the league. His offense was missing this past season, but he's only 19 and has already scored 41 goals in this league. How many centers in NHL history have scored 41 goals before their 20th birthday? Not many. He will step it up a notch this season and help offset the loss of Ryan Malone. I could go on and on with Fleury and even our defense which has improved drastically, and I understand it's really tough for anyone to make an argument that they're as good as Detroit, but the Penguins might actually be the only team in the league that at least has an argument.

So don't come in here saying Hossa didn't think he had something great in Pittsburgh. Because he very obviously did think that. He made the choice to play for the Wings, and that's fine, but for the 50th time, we have the right to be pissed at him for going there.
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Postby therock48880 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:48 pm

Kovy27 wrote:
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therock48880 wrote:Well written email. I emailed him also and commended him for being so unbiased in his journalism. He responded quickly and thanked me.

I didn't come here to argue with any of you guys, but the part of your email that I bolded is the part that would concern me if I were a Pens fan. He simply didn't want to be in Pittsburgh. Why? It can't be the weather because Detroit is just as bad. I think there's more to the "I want to win a cup mentality also". Obviously, had he stayed, Pitt would have been the favorite in the east. Even with adding him to the Detroit roster, there are still at least 3 teams that could knock the Wings off (Anaheim, Dallas, San Jose). Who would knock the Pens off in the east had he stayed? No one. So, he gave up an almost sure fire trip back to the finals to go to a team that has an extremely tough conference to play in. Factor that in with all of the other players leaving and it makes you wonder what is going on in Pittsburgh.


I don't have an answer for that, other than to say Hossa's departure should not be linked to the other players leaving. The others were about money. Hossa, we're not sure.


Hossa's was about winning a championship...imo. Obviously, if he would have signed 10 years, 87 mill in Edmonton....it is about money.

Here is my opinion and I stated this in the LGP Free Agency Chat...

He saw all these people leaving and obviously was worried about the roster. You look at Detroit's roster....it is solid. The team has a legit shot to win back-to-back championships. The Pens...all of a sudden, we have a ton of free agents and an empty roster outside the "Core" of the team and a few others. There were a lot of question marks with the Penguins on July 1st. If my goal was to win a championship, I would join Detroit. The problem with his decision is....the West is tough. There are 6-8 teams that could easily win the west. So, Detroit could easily be eliminated in the 1st round or make a run.

The East...there are 4 teams that could come out, then it really drops off.

But...It was Hossa's decision, and I think it benefits the Penguins. Ray Shero did a great job filling in the spots...it is not Hossa, but they will fill in nicely.


I hate to say this, but the Wings got very lucky this year in the seeding. Last year they played Calgary, then San Jose, and then Anaheim. Easily the three most physical teams in the league. By the time they played the Ducks, they were a walking triage unit. Two of the top 4 d-men were out and numerous others had surgery after the series. This year they played Nashville, then Colorado, then Dallas. Of those three teams, only one was a real threat. I even argued before the Pens series began that Dallas would beat Pitt if they had made it. The west is STACKED and now teams like Minnesota and Nashville keep getting better. The West is frightening and the Wings will have to be very lucky, even with Hossa, to make it to the SCF. I don't think anyone would have been close to beating Pitt with Hossa in the lineup next year.
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Postby bill from turtle creek on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:51 pm

Big Fan Big Fan wrote:Question: Which LGP poster is Bozo The Columnist?
I would guess he might be from Turtle Creek.
Smizik is an idiot. He wanted MM fired in the worst way. He should not be allowed anywhere near the Arena.


Ha! He's nearly two generations removed from me. But God forgive me for defending him against the LGP bourgeoise.

And frankly, I thank him for leading the charge to remove MM from the airwaves. It's the one notable thing he's ever achieved.
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Postby therock48880 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:52 pm

ivand87 wrote:
therock48880 wrote:
ivand87 wrote:For whatever reason, he chose not to come back, even though he had something great here in Pittsburgh.


Maybe he didn't think he had something great in Pittsburgh.


Oh yes, reaching the Finals for the first time in his career and playing on the wing of the best playmaker in the NHL is NOT a good thing. He simply did not realize that. :roll:

Wings fans trolling LGP... Fantastic. Why do you care what happens with the Pens? You won the Cup and we're not as good without Hossa now. Celebrate some more that you took our best winger in free agency and made us weaker while you guys got even better. You beat us in the Cup Finals and then you slapped us in the face in free agency. If I was a Wings fan I wouldn't even show up on Penguins forums just because the Wings have already humiliated us enough by hoisting the Cup in our building and taking Hossa away. Do you really have to come in here asking questions and showing off?

But more importantly, how is it that Detroit fans (and even a few Pens fans) don't understand why a lot of us are upset that Hossa basically took the easy route for the Cup when he already had a GREAT chance to win it with the Pens? Isn't this extremely obvious? He literally pulled the old "If you can't beat em, join em" and stabbed the Pens in the back.

As Henry Hank and others have said, we're upset that this guy had to go to the very best team in the league and make them even better. The team that beat us. But also the same team that had tons of trouble putting us away. Remember game 5 how we came out and took a 2-0 lead in the first period and even as the Wings came back and took the lead in the 3rd, Talbot scored to force OT and Fleury stood on his head to allow Sykora to win it in the 3rd OT. And remember how close we were in game 6 when Sid with that backhander nearly tied the game at 3 with a second left and Hossa himself almost put in the rebound as time expired.

I'll take it up a notch - the Penguins have a brighter future than the Red Wings! Even without Hossa, they are the best team in the East and will compete against any team in the West, including Hossa's Wings. Crosby, Malkin and Staal, our 3 best players not counting Fleury, are all under 22 years of age! Crosby and Malkin have already been nominated for the Hart Trophy, with Crosby winning it in 2007, and Staal has become one of the best penalty killers in the league. His offense was missing this past season, but he's only 19 and has already scored 41 goals in this league. How many centers in NHL history have scored 41 goals before their 20th birthday? Not many. He will step it up a notch this season and help offset the loss of Ryan Malone. I could go on and on with Fleury and even our defense which has improved drastically, and I understand it's really tough for anyone to make an argument that they're as good as Detroit, but the Penguins might actually be the only team in the league that at least has an argument.

So don't come in here saying Hossa didn't think he had something great in Pittsburgh. Because he very obviously did think that. He made the choice to play for the Wings, and that's fine, but for the 50th time, we have the right to be pissed at him for going there.


Bitterness like this is what makes people on lgw.com make fun of Pittsburgh fans about.
Three points
1. I didn't come here to troll or start arguments. I was trying to figure out why Pitt has the mass exodus of players, which was expained quite well.
2. Last year after the Wings lost to Anaheim, TWO players left Detroit and went to Anaheim. (Schneider and Bertuzzi). The result? Bertuzzi is booed every time he steps on the ice and that's due to the Steve Moore incident. Schneider was booed when introduced and then nothing else.
3. Pittsburgh does have a bright future and I wish you guys well.
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Postby Kovy27 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:53 pm

therock48880 wrote:I hate to say this, but the Wings got very lucky this year in the seeding. Last year they played Calgary, then San Jose, and then Anaheim. Easily the three most physical teams in the league. By the time they played the Ducks, they were a walking triage unit. Two of the top 4 d-men were out and numerous others had surgery after the series. This year they played Nashville, then Colorado, then Dallas. Of those three teams, only one was a real threat. I even argued before the Pens series began that Dallas would beat Pitt if they had made it. The west is STACKED and now teams like Minnesota and Nashville keep getting better. The West is frightening and the Wings will have to be very lucky, even with Hossa, to make it to the SCF. I don't think anyone would have been close to beating Pitt with Hossa in the lineup next year.


If Chicago gets great goaltending from Huet/Bulin...Detroit is finally going to have competition for the division. The whole division is getting better.

Honestly, you guys should have lost to Nashville. Colorado was over their head and Dallas' Blue Line was decimated.
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Postby therock48880 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:57 pm

Kovy27 wrote:
therock48880 wrote:I hate to say this, but the Wings got very lucky this year in the seeding. Last year they played Calgary, then San Jose, and then Anaheim. Easily the three most physical teams in the league. By the time they played the Ducks, they were a walking triage unit. Two of the top 4 d-men were out and numerous others had surgery after the series. This year they played Nashville, then Colorado, then Dallas. Of those three teams, only one was a real threat. I even argued before the Pens series began that Dallas would beat Pitt if they had made it. The west is STACKED and now teams like Minnesota and Nashville keep getting better. The West is frightening and the Wings will have to be very lucky, even with Hossa, to make it to the SCF. I don't think anyone would have been close to beating Pitt with Hossa in the lineup next year.


If Chicago gets great goaltending from Huet/Bulin...Detroit is finally going to have competition for the division. The whole division is getting better.

Honestly, you guys should have lost to Nashville. Colorado was over their head and Dallas' Blue Line was decimated.


True. The whole Central gave the Wings fits last year.

Edit: Nashville? You're off on that one. Wings were up 2-0 in the series, Hasek sucked for two games, and then Osgood took over. The Hasek situation was odd last year. Osgood should have begun the playoffs. It would have been a sweep with him between the pipes.
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