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Postby peterleefan on Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:17 am

Bowser wrote:I'll ask again since no one has addressed it.

What is Whitney's responsibility to the team knowing he could be hurting himself long term and put the team in a bad spot with the financial investment it had in him?


IMO, Whitney's first responsibility is to himself....Whenever an option is present to avoid an invasive procedure, and the specialist in question recommends it, by all means, you try to avoid getting cut.......

I agree with Draftnik - this board is nuts sometimes....

For someone with this kind of foot problem, he played pretty damn well vs Detroit....
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Postby Gaucho on Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:54 am

Sorry if this was mentioned before, but according to NHL.com he could be out for up to *five* months.

Ugh.
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Postby stopper40 on Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:03 pm

Gaucho wrote:Sorry if this was mentioned before, but according to NHL.com he could be out for up to *five* months.


You'd think some people on this board would be screaming for joy because because he's going to be out for up to 5 months. :roll:
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Postby AlexPKeaton on Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:05 pm

I have been a Whitney critic in the past, but it is ridiculous to blame him for listening to his doctors and trying to rehab the foot first. If that is the correct medical thing to do then that is what you do.

I hope he comes back strong and plays better than he did last year. Luckily we have some depth at defense, but this is still a big loss, even though I wanted him traded in the offseason. :lol:

On a side note, I hope someone in the organization is putting some thought into why the Pens have had all of these foot injuries lately, maybe some equipment issues or training issues?
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Postby Pitts on Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:23 pm

Bowser wrote:I'll ask again since no one has addressed it.

What is Whitney's responsibility to the team knowing he could be hurting himself long term and put the team in a bad spot with the financial investment it had in him?

What was Crosby's responsibility to the team knowing he could be hurting himself longterm and put the team in a bad spot with the financial investment it had in him when he played his first playoff round on a broken foot?

They all do it! Nobody wants to sit unless it is absolutely necessary.
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Postby Pitts on Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:24 pm

Can I ask a question:

Are we talking "wicked good" or wicked bad" here?
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Postby penny lane on Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:42 pm

AlexPKeaton wrote:
On a side note, I hope someone in the organization is putting some thought into why the Pens have had all of these foot injuries lately, maybe some equipment issues or training issues?


Ryan's could be hereditary or over time from arthritis. Misalignment of bones doesn’t happen suddenly. Or in two seasons, I would think.
Remember readng that Jaromir had problems with his feet that lead to his chronic groin/thigh issues.

*penguins are severly low on quota of Ryans'.
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Postby Ron` on Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:09 pm

Draftnik wrote:Somehow though Whit should have gone under the knife months ago and ignored the advice of 3 specialists because yinzer mcbinzer from LGP.com had the magic MRI oujia board that knew the 3 experts advice to rehab things was destined to fail. :roll:
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Postby Draftnik on Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:10 pm

pfim wrote:The most interesting entry in this thread is "yinzer mcbinzer."


Everybody has a first and last name, right? :lol:

Even those Brazilian football players that go by 1 name really have 4 or 5 names.
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Postby Ron` on Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:15 pm

Bowser wrote:Then why the harsh criticism by Therrien?
Maybe the lines of communication aren't very good between the players and the coach. Or the medical staff and the coach. It would not be hard for me to believe that. MT does operate much like Scotty Bowman in some aspects good or bad.
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Postby tifosi77 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:07 am

entropyfitch wrote:
npv708 wrote:why did he wait till now? didn't he um, have three months after the season ended, instead of waiting till one month before the season starts...


i am pretty sure the article said they were trying to work with methods that didnt requite surgury. such as jamaican witch doctors that threw chicken bones on the ground.

Ah, well... that explains it. Jamaican doctors throwing chicken bones on the ground.

Knew there had to be a good reason.
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Postby Rohit on Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:37 am

Bowser wrote:I'll ask again since no one has addressed it.

What is Whitney's responsibility to the team knowing he could be hurting himself long term and put the team in a bad spot with the financial investment it had in him?


what is whitney's responsibility to the team knowing that if he doesnt get the surgery he will never be able to play up to his contract thus making him a bad investment

the arguement goes both ways. the only difference is, you assume that he hasnt consulted with doctors to make sure the risk is worth the reward
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Postby penny lane on Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:30 pm

http://penguins.nhl.com/team/app/?servi ... eid=379836

Ryan Whitney talking more about his foot! 4 specialists/orthos...reads like he tried everything short of voodoo.
He hoped a summer of rest would provide some relief heading into 2007-08, but there was no improvement, and the problem gradually escalated. Although he battled through the entire season, playing 96 games including playoffs, and never talking about the injury or trying to use it as an excuse, he knew he had to seek a solution in the off-season. He went to four different foot specialists, all of whom agreed on their diagnosis.

“At that point, it wasn’t just an on-ice thing… it was a quality of life thing,â€￾ said Whitney, whose production had dipped a bit to 12 goals and 40 points in 76 regular season games. “It was miserable getting out of bed every day and trying to work out, trying to do quick feet drills. It was miserable even going for a walk. It was starting to affect me off the ice as well.â€￾

At the suggestion of the specialists, he tried orthotics for a month, starting in July, in a final attempt to avoid surgery, but there was no improvement. So he decided to have the procedure, which was performed by Dr. Robert Anderson in Charlotte, N.C.

“You can’t just jump into surgery – it’s a big decision – but I had four highly-recommended foot specialists telling me they believe this is really going to help me,â€￾ he said. “Because of the way my foot was shaped, along with taking some slapshots off my foot the year before, it has lost some stability. This was what we had to do.â€￾
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Postby Draftnik on Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:59 pm

The injury was hardly a secret:

Looking back, he is especially appreciative of the work done by Penguins head equipment manager Dana Heinze, assistant equipment manager Paul DeFazio, head athletic trainer Chris Stewart and assistant athletic trainer Scott Adams, to help him through the Penguins’ magical 2007-08 season.

“Those guys were incredible, and I can’t say enough about them,â€￾ Whitney said. “Dana and Paulie did an unbelievable job sharpening my skates in different ways. Stew and Scotty tried different stretching techniques, tried to tape it. They tried everything to help me.

“Without those guys … well, basically, I was a headache to them all year, but they helped me get through the season.â€￾


The trainers wouldn't have put him in position to do permanent damage.

4 specialists? Why didn't Ryan consult posters at LGP.com? Several somehow knew that surgery was the only course of action. :roll:
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Postby PenguinHockeyFanatic on Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:10 pm

Draftnik wrote:The injury was hardly a secret:

Looking back, he is especially appreciative of the work done by Penguins head equipment manager Dana Heinze, assistant equipment manager Paul DeFazio, head athletic trainer Chris Stewart and assistant athletic trainer Scott Adams, to help him through the Penguins’ magical 2007-08 season.

“Those guys were incredible, and I can’t say enough about them,â€￾ Whitney said. “Dana and Paulie did an unbelievable job sharpening my skates in different ways. Stew and Scotty tried different stretching techniques, tried to tape it. They tried everything to help me.

“Without those guys … well, basically, I was a headache to them all year, but they helped me get through the season.â€￾


The trainers wouldn't have put him in position to do permanent damage.

4 specialists? Why didn't Ryan consult posters at LGP.com? Several somehow knew that surgery was the only course of action. :roll:


Don't you run this message board?
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Postby canaan on Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:58 pm

Draftnik wrote:The injury was hardly a secret:

Looking back, he is especially appreciative of the work done by Penguins head equipment manager Dana Heinze, assistant equipment manager Paul DeFazio, head athletic trainer Chris Stewart and assistant athletic trainer Scott Adams, to help him through the Penguins’ magical 2007-08 season.

“Those guys were incredible, and I can’t say enough about them,â€￾ Whitney said. “Dana and Paulie did an unbelievable job sharpening my skates in different ways. Stew and Scotty tried different stretching techniques, tried to tape it. They tried everything to help me.

“Without those guys … well, basically, I was a headache to them all year, but they helped me get through the season.â€￾


The trainers wouldn't have put him in position to do permanent damage.

4 specialists? Why didn't Ryan consult posters at LGP.com? Several somehow knew that surgery was the only course of action. :roll:


word. 8-)
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Postby Jesse on Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:54 am

The best part of this thread was the dude who tried to act like he knew anything about Letang's wrist shot.

Google the word Letang and Foreurs. See what comes up. I'll loan you some video.

Absolutely hilarity. Mikey handled it well.
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Postby Pitts on Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:58 am

PenguinHockeyFanatic wrote:
Draftnik wrote:The injury was hardly a secret:

Looking back, he is especially appreciative of the work done by Penguins head equipment manager Dana Heinze, assistant equipment manager Paul DeFazio, head athletic trainer Chris Stewart and assistant athletic trainer Scott Adams, to help him through the Penguins’ magical 2007-08 season.

“Those guys were incredible, and I can’t say enough about them,â€￾ Whitney said. “Dana and Paulie did an unbelievable job sharpening my skates in different ways. Stew and Scotty tried different stretching techniques, tried to tape it. They tried everything to help me.

“Without those guys … well, basically, I was a headache to them all year, but they helped me get through the season.â€￾


The trainers wouldn't have put him in position to do permanent damage.

4 specialists? Why didn't Ryan consult posters at LGP.com? Several somehow knew that surgery was the only course of action. :roll:


Don't you run this message board?

He does.
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Postby Mongoose87 on Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:58 am

penny lane wrote:http://penguins.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=379836

Ryan Whitney talking more about his foot! 4 specialists/orthos...reads like he tried everything short of voodoo.
He hoped a summer of rest would provide some relief heading into 2007-08, but there was no improvement, and the problem gradually escalated. Although he battled through the entire season, playing 96 games including playoffs, and never talking about the injury or trying to use it as an excuse, he knew he had to seek a solution in the off-season. He went to four different foot specialists, all of whom agreed on their diagnosis.

“At that point, it wasn’t just an on-ice thing… it was a quality of life thing,â€￾ said Whitney, whose production had dipped a bit to 12 goals and 40 points in 76 regular season games. “It was miserable getting out of bed every day and trying to work out, trying to do quick feet drills. It was miserable even going for a walk. It was starting to affect me off the ice as well.â€￾

At the suggestion of the specialists, he tried orthotics for a month, starting in July, in a final attempt to avoid surgery, but there was no improvement. So he decided to have the procedure, which was performed by Dr. Robert Anderson in Charlotte, N.C.

“You can’t just jump into surgery – it’s a big decision – but I had four highly-recommended foot specialists telling me they believe this is really going to help me,â€￾ he said. “Because of the way my foot was shaped, along with taking some slapshots off my foot the year before, it has lost some stability. This was what we had to do.â€￾


THEY DIDN'T TRY VODOO!?
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Postby Eismann on Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:56 am

Mongoose87 wrote:
penny lane wrote:http://penguins.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=379836

Ryan Whitney talking more about his foot! 4 specialists/orthos...reads like he tried everything short of voodoo.
He hoped a summer of rest would provide some relief heading into 2007-08, but there was no improvement, and the problem gradually escalated. Although he battled through the entire season, playing 96 games including playoffs, and never talking about the injury or trying to use it as an excuse, he knew he had to seek a solution in the off-season. He went to four different foot specialists, all of whom agreed on their diagnosis.

“At that point, it wasn’t just an on-ice thing… it was a quality of life thing,â€￾ said Whitney, whose production had dipped a bit to 12 goals and 40 points in 76 regular season games. “It was miserable getting out of bed every day and trying to work out, trying to do quick feet drills. It was miserable even going for a walk. It was starting to affect me off the ice as well.â€￾

At the suggestion of the specialists, he tried orthotics for a month, starting in July, in a final attempt to avoid surgery, but there was no improvement. So he decided to have the procedure, which was performed by Dr. Robert Anderson in Charlotte, N.C.

“You can’t just jump into surgery – it’s a big decision – but I had four highly-recommended foot specialists telling me they believe this is really going to help me,â€￾ he said. “Because of the way my foot was shaped, along with taking some slapshots off my foot the year before, it has lost some stability. This was what we had to do.â€￾


THEY DIDN'T TRY VODOO!?


or....

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Postby Draftnik on Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:38 pm

Quotes from MT re: Whit's injury:

http://penguins.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=379879

“We heard last year and he had to finish the year with his injury. Unfortunately, he’s not going to be able to start the season with us, but I think it’s a good thing that they were able to find what was going on with his foot. They tried different things. Our medical staff, with Ryan, decided the only way for him to get better this year – and the future – was to have that operation. We support that. He’ll be ready in November or December, somewhere around there. Yes, we’re going to miss him, but in the meantime, we faced so many injuries last year that this is not something brand new for us. It gives a good opportunity to different players to show what they are capable of doing.â€￾



What a crazy scenario. MT & the Pens knew Whit was injured (obviously knew that he wasn't risking permanent damage) and participated in the process to try rehabilitation and ultimately surgery.

Well, I guess it isn't so crazy since it was all spelled out in the original Trib article.

Also, MT gave Orpik props for finally demonstrating positional integrity:

But, what I really like about Brooks, especially toward the end of the year, is that he was always in the right position.
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Postby Sarcastic on Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:51 pm

Whitney's first priority is to his health. He was smart to ask around, take his time, try any alternative approach, etc.. before agreeing to go under the knife. Once they start digging in, moving things like bones around, who the heck knows what can happen. I don't blame Whitney or the team one bit. If there is any way to avoid surgery, you go with that first.
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Postby penny lane on Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:13 pm

Draftnik wrote:http://penguins.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=379879

Also, MT gave Orpik props for finally demonstrating positional integrity:

But, what I really like about Brooks, especially toward the end of the year, is that he was always in the right position.


Hades has truly frozen over~ our Brooks getting some love from MT
on his positional play.
:wink: :P
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Postby PenguinHockeyFanatic on Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:03 pm

Sarcastic wrote:Whitney's first priority is to his health. He was smart to ask around, take his time, try any alternative approach, etc.. before agreeing to go under the knife. Once they start digging in, moving things like bones around, who the heck knows what can happen. I don't blame Whitney or the team one bit. If there is any way to avoid surgery, you go with that first.


I couldn't agree more, especially because is is still pretty much a kid. Being that young, you don't want to rush into surgery for anything.

I guess the first half of the season will be the "Reborn-Sydor" story and I will look like an imbecile again for ever doubted he and Shero.
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