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speculating on shanahan

Postby columbia on Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:30 pm

As reported elsewhere on this board, Sundin seems close to signing w/ the NYR. That would seem to mean Shanny is out with the Rangers.
Especially considering the apparent open cap space until Whitney returns, I think he is worth a chance at ~ 1.2 M.
In anticipation of the "NO!" responses, you'd rather count on Kennedy (who appears to have no discernible skills)?
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Postby Maagwa on Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:35 pm

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Postby Henry Hank on Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:49 pm

Shero probably learned his lesson with Recchi and Roberts last year. Once players get up to that age, it's a fine line between being worthwhile and being over the hill. Roberts at least had his moments in the playoffs, but he still struggled all season to stay in the lineup. Shanahan is pretty much done. He's ready to drop off big time. Kennedy, on the other hand, works extremely hard, has great speed, is willing to play physical, and has some skill to go along with it. There's no comparison between the two considering the third/fourth line role they'd be playing.
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Postby wallflower on Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:52 pm

I would rather count on Kennedy.
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Postby tjand72 on Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:02 am

Same as above.
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Postby Bob McKenzie on Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:04 am

I'd rather Mario make a comeback.
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Postby westside on Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:08 am

I think if he came on as a 3rd/4th liner, I got no problem with it. I would like to see a vet with that kind of grit on the team. Would not pay more than 1 mill/per though.
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Postby SolidSnake on Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:30 am

In that 4th period article it said they are looking to get rid of Rosy.
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Postby cs6687 on Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:51 am

I love watching the Rangers think that spending loads of money solves problems.
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Postby RainbowsAndCottonCandy on Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:26 am

does shanahan hate the pens?
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Postby mikey287 on Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:02 am

If TK doesn't make this team there's something seriously wrong...no one worked harder last season than TK...I don't care if he never ever scores a point the rest of his life, that kind of energy, the forecheck, the hard backcheck, disrupting the outlet, the willingness to stand up for teammates...that's invaluable right there...

He earned a spot on this team just on his playoffs alone last year...
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Postby DelPen on Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:26 am

SolidSnake wrote:In that 4th period article it said they are looking to get rid of Rosy.


So sign a UFA to an insane over-priced deal to only trade him? Either that site is a complete joke or the Rags are.
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Postby columbia on Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:42 am

mikey287 wrote:If TK doesn't make this team there's something seriously wrong...no one worked harder last season than TK...I don't care if he never ever scores a point the rest of his life, that kind of energy, the forecheck, the hard backcheck, disrupting the outlet, the willingness to stand up for teammates...that's invaluable right there...

He earned a spot on this team just on his playoffs alone last year...


The more serious problem would be if Kennedy is playing LW on the 3rd line. That means one legit NHL scorer (Fedotenko) at LW in the top six. It's going to be a long season if Dupuis spends the season on Crosby's line.
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Postby Zarley Zalapski Overdrive on Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:59 am

The premise here is a little flawed. I'd be shocked if Sundin ends up in New York. Larry Brooks becomes a bigger joke each year, and it's a shame actually -- used to be very good at what he does.

Of course, the Sundin and Shanahan situations aren't mutually exclusive, but you get the picture. And I'll echo a lot of sentiments here -- I'd rather stick with Kennedy than sign Shanny. I was surprised at how utterly useless he was in the playoffs vs. the Pens. A liability by that point in the year.
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Postby owtahear on Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:00 am

mikey287 wrote:If TK doesn't make this team there's something seriously wrong...no one worked harder last season than TK...I don't care if he never ever scores a point the rest of his life, that kind of energy, the forecheck, the hard backcheck, disrupting the outlet, the willingness to stand up for teammates...that's invaluable right there...

He earned a spot on this team just on his playoffs alone last year...


He works hard no doubt, but at some point production has to count. As for Shanahan, didn't we already sign him a few years back with little success. I believe he went by a different name then, something like John Leclair?
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Postby columbia on Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:06 am

owtahear wrote:
mikey287 wrote:If TK doesn't make this team there's something seriously wrong...no one worked harder last season than TK...I don't care if he never ever scores a point the rest of his life, that kind of energy, the forecheck, the hard backcheck, disrupting the outlet, the willingness to stand up for teammates...that's invaluable right there...

He earned a spot on this team just on his playoffs alone last year...


He works hard no doubt, but at some point production has to count. As for Shanahan, didn't we already sign him a few years back with little success. I believe he went by a different name then, something like John Leclair?


The Pens are seriously bottom-heavy at LW. I'd say he is worth a 2 month look-see and if he has to be jettisoned like Leclair and Recchi, so be it.

They could get desperate and try to slot Cooke into Malone's role, but I doubt he has the size to hold up there for long.
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Postby Eismann on Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:35 am

KENNEDY!!!!!!!!8


Kennedy's "no discernible skills" >> Shanahan's current skills



ps: Kennedy.
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Postby SolidSnake on Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:36 am

DelPen wrote:
SolidSnake wrote:In that 4th period article it said they are looking to get rid of Rosy.


So sign a UFA to an insane over-priced deal to only trade him? Either that site is a complete joke or the Rags are.



http://thefourthperiod.com/news/nyr080817.html

Yea who knows with any NY team in any sport.
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Postby Kicksave on Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:43 am

Bob McKenzie wrote:I'd rather Mario make a comeback.


This. ^
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Postby André on Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:53 am

Cheap one year deal for him to play on the third line (or top six if he's of to a good start) and PP. Who knows, could be something.
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Postby Defence21 on Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:55 am

columbia wrote:
owtahear wrote:
mikey287 wrote:If TK doesn't make this team there's something seriously wrong...no one worked harder last season than TK...I don't care if he never ever scores a point the rest of his life, that kind of energy, the forecheck, the hard backcheck, disrupting the outlet, the willingness to stand up for teammates...that's invaluable right there...

He earned a spot on this team just on his playoffs alone last year...


He works hard no doubt, but at some point production has to count. As for Shanahan, didn't we already sign him a few years back with little success. I believe he went by a different name then, something like John Leclair?


The Pens are seriously bottom-heavy at LW. I'd say he is worth a 2 month look-see and if he has to be jettisoned like Leclair and Recchi, so be it.

They could get desperate and try to slot Cooke into Malone's role, but I doubt he has the size to hold up there for long.

If I recall correctly, Dupuis was more of a right winger in Atlanta, then shifted to left wing to fit in on the top line in Pittsburgh -- though I can't find any evidence of this. Even so, Kennedy played the majority of the late season and playoffs on the right wing, not left.

Also, by the sounds of Ray Shero's plan, Jordan Staal is primed to move into Ryan Malone's role, which would indicate a spot on the top power play unit and an opportunity to at least compete for a left wing spot on one of the top two lines. There's also Janne Pesonen who is a complete question mark. He may come in an completely underwhelm everyone -- or he might be a huge surprise. We just don't know.

But, if I had to guess right now, this would be my lineup:

Fedotenko - Crosby - Satan
Staal - Malkin - Sykora
Dupuis - Talbot - Kennedy
Cooke - Beech/Taffe - Godard/Taffe

There's no room for Shanahan, even with Pesonen completely out of the picture.
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Postby shmenguin on Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:25 am

owtahear wrote:
mikey287 wrote:If TK doesn't make this team there's something seriously wrong...no one worked harder last season than TK...I don't care if he never ever scores a point the rest of his life, that kind of energy, the forecheck, the hard backcheck, disrupting the outlet, the willingness to stand up for teammates...that's invaluable right there...

He earned a spot on this team just on his playoffs alone last year...


He works hard no doubt, but at some point production has to count. As for Shanahan, didn't we already sign him a few years back with little success. I believe he went by a different name then, something like John Leclair?


during the playoffs, kennedy played with a center with 24 assists in like 160 games. most wings need scoring talent around them to be productive themselves.
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Postby KG on Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:07 am

SolidSnake wrote:In that 4th period article it said they are looking to get rid of Rosy.


Good luck with moving that 4 year $20MM contract that was just signed...Gross...
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Postby KG on Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:08 am

André wrote:Cheap one year deal for him to play on the third line (or top six if he's of to a good start) and PP. Who knows, could be something.


Agreed...
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Postby Mad City Mike on Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:13 am

Personally, I would take a flier on Shanny, understanding that you would have to use him properly. he most certainly isn't a top two line player at this point, and trying to shoehorn him into that role would not work. But I do believe he could most certainly be a third-liner and power play specialist. You can put him on the top unit with Sid and Satan, park him over in the left wing circle, and let him snipe away. He would give the PP that right-handed shot opposite Sid or Geno that they are sorely lacking. If Michel Oullette can score 20 in that role, Shanny would be good for 30. At even strength, he would play third line minutes, but likely with no PK time. If you can sign him for under $2 mil, I think it's a risk worth taking.
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