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Long term IR?

Postby KG on Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:45 am

Can someone explain this to me? I just saw this about Zubov

The Stars placed D Sergei Zubov on long-term IR Wednesday, which means he's not expected to return until after Oct. 31.

If that is the case, does Dallas now have that cap space relief?

Why wouldn't the pens just do the same for Gonchar and Whitney?
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Re: Long term IR?

Postby Defence21 on Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:48 am

KG wrote:Can someone explain this to me? I just saw this about Zubov

The Stars placed D Sergei Zubov on long-term IR Wednesday, which means he's not expected to return until after Oct. 31.

If that is the case, does Dallas now have that cap space relief?

Why wouldn't the pens just do the same for Gonchar and Whitney?

It's possible they did -- but, at the same time, is there really a major need for cap relief? All indications are that the team has no plans to sign anyone, so it doesn't really matter.
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Re: Long term IR?

Postby KG on Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:51 am

I'm just saying, if something comes up it would be good to have that cap space available to jump on a move...
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Re: Long term IR?

Postby Doogs on Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:54 am

Defence21 wrote:
KG wrote:Can someone explain this to me? I just saw this about Zubov

The Stars placed D Sergei Zubov on long-term IR Wednesday, which means he's not expected to return until after Oct. 31.

If that is the case, does Dallas now have that cap space relief?

Why wouldn't the pens just do the same for Gonchar and Whitney?

It's possible they did -- but, at the same time, is there really a major need for cap relief? All indications are that the team has no plans to sign anyone, so it doesn't really matter.


No, no were gonna sign Gaborik!!!! Ek said, Ek said!!! :wink:
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Re: Long term IR?

Postby KG on Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:54 am

FYI, I found this:

Long Term Injury status is available to players who will be unavailable for at least 10 NHL regular season games and 24 calendar days.
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Re: Long term IR?

Postby Defence21 on Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:57 am

KG wrote:FYI, I found this:

Long Term Injury status is available to players who will be unavailable for at least 10 NHL regular season games and 24 calendar days.

It's very possible both players on on longterm IR status and that the team nor the media made a big deal about it because they weren't at the cap. The Stars, to my knowledge, were very close to the cap with Zubov's salary and the Ducks were as well before their roster finangling. The Penguins are not/were not butting up against the cap, so there may not have been a story if they were placed on logterm IR.
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Re: Long term IR?

Postby pensfan20 on Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:14 pm

Not sure how that works really.. if someone has a link or explaination i would greatly appreciate it. Look at the Flyers. Dont they want Hatcher to retire so they can pay him but not take the cap hit? If they could get around the cap hit by putting him on long term IR wouldnt they just do that?
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Re: Long term IR?

Postby Admin on Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:24 pm

Section 50.10 - d (Page 226) is the Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception to the Upper Limit section of the CBA:

http://www.letsgopens.com/NHL-2005-CBA.pdf
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Re: Long term IR?

Postby Mad City Mike on Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:26 pm

If those guys aren't on LTIR status, they certainly could be put there at any time. Shero could announce the move and make an acquisition simultaneously.

But to make a move that requires additional cap space wouldn't be prudent. When the two guys return, you would have to find a way to free up cap space to activate them. And that would put you over a barrel, like the Hawks with Khabibulin. Or the Rangers trying to sign Shanny. Better to leave some cap space available, and only use it if absolutely necessary.
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Re: Long term IR?

Postby pensfan20 on Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:40 pm

Admin wrote:Section 50.10 - d (Page 226) is the Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception to the Upper Limit section of the CBA:

http://www.letsgopens.com/NHL-2005-CBA.pdf

Thanks Admin!
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Re: Long term IR?

Postby KG on Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:52 pm

Admin wrote:Section 50.10 - d (Page 226) is the Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception to the Upper Limit section of the CBA:

http://www.letsgopens.com/NHL-2005-CBA.pdf


Solid, thanks...The language reminds me to much of law school and I don't like to be reminded of those days :D
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Re: Long term IR?

Postby newarenanow on Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:54 pm

Mad City Mike wrote: Better to leave some cap space available, and only use it if absolutely necessary.



This. I don't know why people equate spending to the cap to having a better team.
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Re: Long term IR?

Postby Admin on Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:00 pm

KG wrote:Solid, thanks...The language reminds me to much of law school and I don't like to be reminded of those days :D

That whole CBA gives me a headache...
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Re: Long term IR?

Postby Digitalgypsy66 on Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:27 pm

newarenanow wrote:
Mad City Mike wrote: Better to leave some cap space available, and only use it if absolutely necessary.



This. I don't know why people equate spending to the cap to having a better team.


Excellent point. See: New York Yankees (no cap, but ludicrous spending for limited success)
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