Recchi in the Hall?

[Daniel87]

What are you saying? Does being 14th all time make him a great player?

Um... Yes.

Im just confused to why you are questioning me.


You said this... and I completely agree.

I like Recchi, but if he a) doesn't start his career w/Mario, and b) hang around forever, are we even having this discussion? Being good for a long time doesn't make you great.

Obviously if you are a good player, remain healthy, and play with superstars then the points will come. Now I was only 4 years old when Recchi started with the Pens, so im no expert. But from what I've seen he was a very good player in his prime. However if he left the NHL shortly after his prime do I think he'd make the hall? Maybe not. The points he got afterwards on a consistent basis is what will put him over the top.

[Daniel87]

My bad that was Rocco who said that.

To answer your question, being 14th doesn't make you great, but you have to be a pretty damn good player to be 14th. Theres no doubt he would not be close to 14 if he hadn't played with the great players he did throughout his career, but the point is he did and succeeded at it. Based on the standards of other players in the hall Recchi should be in there too.

[Mr. Colby]

guaranteed HOF for recks

[JS©]

Yes, and sorry if this has already been posted here:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 822AAlmwLV

Yep, it's been posted in the Racchi's Rug thread. I admitted to posting the question. Corvidae and Yuengling Black and Tans get assists for that brilliant answer.

Staying on topic, I'd say yes. Longevity or not, he was a dominant player in the 90s and early 00s. Maybe he doesn't have the hardware to back that, but being in the league for 20 years and having 1300+ pts to the resume is still impressive.

[Eismann]

Hardware-less as they were, the 90's Flyers with Recchi were pretty tehAwesome and he was a big part of it. Tack that on to his play here and his career stats = HOF

[DelPen]

Hardware-less as they were, the 90's Flyers with Recchi were pretty tehAwesome and he was a big part of it. Tack that on to his play here and his career stats = HOF

Recchi was in Montreal from 1995 to the end of 1999 where the Flyers lost in the 1st round, how could he have been a big part of the Flyers success then?

[Eismann]

Hardware-less as they were, the 90's Flyers with Recchi were pretty tehAwesome and he was a big part of it. Tack that on to his play here and his career stats = HOF

Recchi was in Montreal from 1995 to the end of 1999 where the Flyers lost in the 1st round, how could he have been a big part of the Flyers success then?

Ipps...Meant the '00+ Flyers (though he was with them in '99, i think).

[laholm64]

Hardware-less as they were, the 90's Flyers with Recchi were pretty tehAwesome and he was a big part of it. Tack that on to his play here and his career stats = HOF

Recchi was in Montreal from 1995 to the end of 1999 where the Flyers lost in the 1st round, how could he have been a big part of the Flyers success then?

fyi, I got this from Wikipedia:
"He played for Philadelphia from 1992 to 1995 as part of the "Crazy Eights" line, including a 53 goal, 70 assist, 123 point season in 1992–93, still the Flyers single-season point scoring record. In 1995, he was traded to the Montreal Canadiens in a deal for Éric Desjardins and John Leclair, but was reaccquired by the Flyers for the 1998–99 season, and was consistently among their top scorers.

During the 1999–2000 season, he was a finalist for the Lester B. Pearson trophy as NHLPA MVP and he finished third in scoring, only 5 points behind Jaromír Jágr. In 2000 and 2004, the Flyers would make the Eastern Conference Finals but they would bow out of each series in seven games."

I also shows he made 9 All Star teams.

[bill from turtle creek]

It's amusing that there are idiots out there who think a player can get over 520 goals and over 1300 points, and it's all because he played with great players. Never mind that these players were on 3 different teams during the years that he accumulated all of these points. Recchi simply scored in mega-amounts wherever he was, in juniors, in the AHL, and finally in the NHL. Anybody who thinks that all of this was a by-product of playing with good players is a fool. Penguin history alone is filled with players who have played with Jagr, Lemieux, and Crosby who simply cannot score no matter what.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that he will be at worst a second-ballet HOFer. He'll more likely go in on the first ballot.

[Kicksave]

It's amusing that there are idiots out there who think a player can get over 520 goals and over 1300 points, and it's all because he played with great players. Never mind that these players were on 3 different teams during the years that he accumulated all of these points. Recchi simply scored in mega-amounts wherever he was, in juniors, in the AHL, and finally in the NHL. Anybody who thinks that all of this was a by-product of playing with good players is a fool. Penguin history alone is filled with players who have played with Jagr, Lemieux, and Crosby who simply cannot score no matter what.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that he will be at worst a second-ballet HOFer. He'll more likely go in on the first ballot.

I don't why you have to resort to name-calling. Not that I don't agree, but you don't have to do so in a condescending manor.

[Kovy27]

Yes. He is hall worthy.

[Sams_Dog]

Yes IMO. He's put up the points with great players and with not so great ones. He delivered in the post season. he has 2 Cups. A few All Star Game appearances. If I'm not mistaken he played on a national team or two. 500 goals/1000 points is usually a good sign that a player will get in but a lot of guys are hitting those marks it seems lately.

I vote yes but I wouldn't be surprised to see him go on a second ballot. Remember, Glenn Anderson took a few years to get in and he had everything Recchi had and more.

[Rocco]

It's amusing that there are idiots out there who think a player can get over 520 goals and over 1300 points, and it's all because he played with great players. Never mind that these players were on 3 different teams during the years that he accumulated all of these points. Recchi simply scored in mega-amounts wherever he was, in juniors, in the AHL, and finally in the NHL. Anybody who thinks that all of this was a by-product of playing with good players is a fool. Penguin history alone is filled with players who have played with Jagr, Lemieux, and Crosby who simply cannot score no matter what.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that he will be at worst a second-ballet HOFer. He'll more likely go in on the first ballot.

He was not only fortunate enough to play with great players on some pretty good teams, but play the beginning of his career and beginning of his prime in a high-offense era. I don't think people truly appreciate this- in 1992-93, he was 10th in the NHL with 127 points. That would have led the league by 15 points last year. I'm not saying Recchi is John Cullen 2.0 or anything- his 91 points in 1999-00 disproves that- but simply pointing to his numbers and ignoring the era he played in overstates his case.

Again, I ask the same questions- was he ever the best player on his team? At his position in his conference? And new questions- is he any better than people who aren't in the HOF (i.e. Dino Ciccarelli)? Could you win a title with Mark Recchi as your best player?

[Eismann]

It's amusing that there are idiots out there who think a player can get over 520 goals and over 1300 points, and it's all because he played with great players. Never mind that these players were on 3 different teams during the years that he accumulated all of these points. Recchi simply scored in mega-amounts wherever he was, in juniors, in the AHL, and finally in the NHL. Anybody who thinks that all of this was a by-product of playing with good players is a fool. Penguin history alone is filled with players who have played with Jagr, Lemieux, and Crosby who simply cannot score no matter what.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that he will be at worst a second-ballet HOFer. He'll more likely go in on the first ballot.

He was not only fortunate enough to play with great players on some pretty good teams, but play the beginning of his career and beginning of his prime in a high-offense era. I don't think people truly appreciate this- in 1992-93, he was 10th in the NHL with 127 points. That would have led the league by 15 points last year. I'm not saying Recchi is John Cullen 2.0 or anything- his 91 points in 1999-00 disproves that- but simply pointing to his numbers and ignoring the era he played in overstates his case.

Again, I ask the same questions- was he ever the best player on his team? At his position in his conference? And new questions- is he any better than people who aren't in the HOF (i.e. Dino Ciccarelli)? Could you win a title with Mark Recchi as your best player?

Ask yourself this question: is Mark Recchi famous? That gets you off the score sheet entirely. I say he is, but others would disagree.

I'm a big fan of keeping HOFs on a pretty tight entrance requirement, so they don't become Halls of Very Good.

[muffinarm]

If Joey Mullen is in the HOF, then Recchi certainly is as well. You don't get to crack the top twenty of all time scorers without a long and productive career.

[Rocco]

If Joey Mullen is in the HOF, then Recchi certainly is as well. You don't get to crack the top twenty of all time scorers without a long and productive career.

Mullen is in because he was born American. Whether or not that's a valid reason, it should be noted that his induction was based on reasons outside of his production on the ice. It's the reason why Cam Neely is in the HOF and Kevin Stevens likely won't sniff the HOF, even though Stevens had comparable numbers at their peak and was a big part of two teams that actually won things.

[laholm64]

If Joey Mullen is in the HOF, then Recchi certainly is as well. You don't get to crack the top twenty of all time scorers without a long and productive career.

Mullen is in because he was born American. Whether or not that's a valid reason, it should be noted that his induction was based on reasons outside of his production on the ice. It's the reason why Cam Neely is in the HOF and Kevin Stevens likely won't sniff the HOF, even though Stevens had comparable numbers at their peak and was a big part of two teams that actually won things.

If Steven's hadn't been dumped on his nugget in that playoff game he certainly would have ended up being a HOFer, but that injury changed everything for him. He was never the same.

[burghsportsguys]

It's amusing that there are idiots out there who think a player can get over 520 goals and over 1300 points, and it's all because he played with great players. Never mind that these players were on 3 different teams during the years that he accumulated all of these points. Recchi simply scored in mega-amounts wherever he was, in juniors, in the AHL, and finally in the NHL. Anybody who thinks that all of this was a by-product of playing with good players is a fool. Penguin history alone is filled with players who have played with Jagr, Lemieux, and Crosby who simply cannot score no matter what.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that he will be at worst a second-ballet HOFer. He'll more likely go in on the first ballot.

He was not only fortunate enough to play with great players on some pretty good teams, but play the beginning of his career and beginning of his prime in a high-offense era. I don't think people truly appreciate this- in 1992-93, he was 10th in the NHL with 127 points. That would have led the league by 15 points last year. I'm not saying Recchi is John Cullen 2.0 or anything- his 91 points in 1999-00 disproves that- but simply pointing to his numbers and ignoring the era he played in overstates his case.

Again, I ask the same questions- was he ever the best player on his team? At his position in his conference? And new questions- is he any better than people who aren't in the HOF (i.e. Dino Ciccarelli)? Could you win a title with Mark Recchi as your best player?

Agree, his numbers are great... Recchi the player was very good. I think he'll get in due to his numbers, not due to being one of the all-time greats. It depends what the Hall of Fame is all about. Who are the "bottom ten" wingers in the HoF today. Who are the top ten wingers NOT in the HoF... IMO, you look at those two lists and see on which side Recchi falls.

Is Rick Tocchet going to be a HoFer? I think these two fall on the same side.

[KG]

I did a quick Recchi/Tocchet comparison:

Tocchet 18 seasons: 1144 games 440 goals 512 assists 952 points .83 points per game

Recchi: 19 seasons: 1416 games 524 goals 859 assits 1383 points .98 points per game

Recchi was obviously the more dominant offensive player...

I don't know if that means Tocchet is or isn't a HOF'er...

[Idoit40fans]

I did a quick Recchi/Tocchet comparison:

Tocchet 18 seasons: 1144 games 440 goals 512 assists 952 points .83 points per game

Recchi: 19 seasons: 1416 games 524 goals 859 assits 1383 points .98 points per game

Recchi was obviously the more dominant offensive player...

I don't know if that means Tocchet is or isn't a HOF'er...

You gotta take into account PIM per game.

[KG]

I was looking at more stats...Dale Hawerchuk was a machine offensively. He was also inducted into the HOF for good reason. But his career avg. points per game was 1.25, and that's taking into account the last few seasons he played for the Flyers/Blues when he wasn't that good...

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdis ... p?pid=2199

1188 games played 518 goals 891 assits 1490 points I know he played in the offensive era. But he was clearly one of the best of that era...

[KG]

I did a quick Recchi/Tocchet comparison:

Tocchet 18 seasons: 1144 games 440 goals 512 assists 952 points .83 points per game

Recchi: 19 seasons: 1416 games 524 goals 859 assits 1383 points .98 points per game

Recchi was obviously the more dominant offensive player...

I don't know if that means Tocchet is or isn't a HOF'er...

You gotta take into account PIM per game.

2972 pims for Tocchet
949 pims for Recchi...

[laholm64]

I've never heard of anyone getting into or not getting into the hall based on PIM. Some penalties are good, but most are bad. Being a physical presence is good, but being one of your teams best players and sitting half the game in the box is not good.

[burghsportsguys]

I did a quick Recchi/Tocchet comparison:

Tocchet 18 seasons: 1144 games 440 goals 512 assists 952 points .83 points per game

Recchi: 19 seasons: 1416 games 524 goals 859 assits 1383 points .98 points per game

Recchi was obviously the more dominant offensive player...

I don't know if that means Tocchet is or isn't a HOF'er...

And that's one reason I don't think it's all about numbers. Tocchet brought things that Recchi didn't, so his value goes beyond the scoresheet. I'd agree that he's not the offensive player that MR was, but in their respective primes they were both very good players.

Without looking up numbers, some other guys I'd throw into that "very good, maybe not all-time greats" would be guys like Jeremy Roenick, Vinnie Damphousse, Nieuwendyk, Brind'Amour, etc. All of these guys were very good and had long careers, but all-time greats?

[laholm64]

Just for the fun of it I went to YouTube and looked up Recchi fights. Let me tell you something, for a little guy Recchi was quite the fighter. He put the smack down on on Rob Ray, Chris Chelios, Don Sweeney, Brian Smolinski and Brian Skrudland. He didn't necessarily win all those fights but he looked very impressive in all of them. He bloodied Ray. Obviously a little guy like Recchi isn't going to make a living fighting, but when the bell rung he was ready to throw.