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Are We Overpassing?

Postby Bathgate on Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:32 pm

I observe that when Sidney Crosby has the puck on his stick in a good, but not great scoring position in or near the slot area, rather than shooting, he will nearly always attempt to pass to a nearby teammate who might be in a better scoring position. Unfortunately, far too many of these passes fail to produce a goal, despite his great passing skills. I sense that if he took a shot considerably more often in these scoring positions, the Pens would score more goals. This is sort of theoretical, so I’m not sure if it’s a correct analysis. What do you think? If MT agrees with this idea, he should demand that Sid shoot more often in these good scoring positions and embarrass him if he fails to do so. And it’s not just Sid. Other Penguins also appear to me to be guilty of overpassing in these situations all the time. It frustrates me.
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby npv708 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:37 pm

DUh
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby Member on Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:42 pm

So you're saying if the Penguins shoot the puck more, that increases their chances at scoring goals? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my entire life.
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby westside on Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:43 pm

Member wrote:So you're saying if the Penguins shoot the puck more, that increases their chances at scoring goals? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my entire life.


+1
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby Dean Wormer on Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:18 pm

SHOOOOOOOOOT!

Sorry. Had to.
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby laholm64 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:26 pm

I remember the year Mario scored 199 points. I remember him passing up numerous chances to shoot because he desperately wanted Rob Brown to get his 50 goals. Well, neither happened. It seemed like Mario got further and further away from being a shooter and concentrated more and more on passing.

Now I'm getting a deja vu with Crosby and Malkin. These guys are terrific goal scorers and someone needs to tell them in no uncertain terms that it's okay to be a goal scorer first and playmaker second.

I watch other teams play and I am amazed at the high percentage of goals that are scored on rebounds and lucky bounces and traffic in front of the goalie. I'm not sure why we don't do that more? Malone was getting those types of goals last year and I'm having trouble thinking of anyone else getting those types of goals other than maybe Satan (who isn't going to score a ton on the 3rd line - yikes, why is that a good place for the guy?!) and more recently Feds.
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:30 pm

Those chances aren't generated from wrist shots from the slot, they come from blasts from the point. On the pp, those will come, but the pp is fine right now. On even strength, Malkin and Crosby aren't the problem, the defensemen are, and everyone is already complaining about LeGame not shooting.
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby Jim on Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:55 pm

Does a bear poo in the woods?
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:58 pm

Jim wrote:Does a bear poo in the woods?


If a bear poos in the woods and no one sees it, does it really poo?
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby Bathgate on Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:19 pm

Let me state the premise another way. A Penguins player has the puck around the high slot and has 2 clear scoring options:

Option A: He can attempt to shoot the puck, but has to beat the goalie and any defensemen trying to block or break up the shot.

Option B: He can attempt to pass to a teammate at the side of the goal who might have an open net to score in, but the pass has to be accurate and get through to where the teammate can handle it and the teammate has to convert the pass to a shot on the open part of the net before the goalie slides over.

I say that in general, shooting (Option A) is a higher percentage scoring play because so many more things can go wrong with a pass (Option B). Unfortunately, Sid and most of the Penguins will instinctively attempt the pass way too often.
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby Burnaby_Joe on Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:23 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:
Jim wrote:Does a bear poo in the woods?


If a bear poos in the woods and no one sees it, does it really poo?


Holy****...................quantum physics :shock:
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby maudineormsby on Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:25 pm

Bathgate wrote:Let me state the premise another way. A Penguins player has the puck around the high slot and has 2 clear scoring options:

Option A: He can attempt to shoot the puck, but has to beat the goalie and any defensemen trying to block or break up the shot.

Option B: He can attempt to pass to a teammate at the side of the goal who might have an open net to score in, but the pass has to be accurate and get through to where the teammate can handle it and the teammate has to convert the pass to a shot on the open part of the net before the goalie slides over.

I say that in general, shooting (Option A) is a higher percentage scoring play because so many more things can go wrong with a pass (Option B). Unfortunately, Sid and most of the Penguins will instinctively attempt the pass way too often.


All this does is beg the question: Should we shoot low percentage shots or learn to pass accurately. You didn't show me that the penguins pass more than other teams, you just asserted that when we do things go wrong.

I won't disagree with your conclusion - if we can't handle a pass, we should shoot the puck or learn to handle the pass.
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby Jim on Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:41 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:
Jim wrote:Does a bear poo in the woods?


If a bear poos in the woods and no one sees it, does it really poo?


Yes, but it doesn't smell.
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:51 pm

Jim wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:
Jim wrote:Does a bear poo in the woods?


If a bear poos in the woods and no one sees it, does it really poo?


Yes, but it doesn't smell.


Touché
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby Corvidae on Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:10 pm

npv708 wrote:DUh


Flawless response, except the capital "U." +9
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby Corvidae on Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:12 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:Touché


Woah, look at Mr. Culture with the thingy over the "e." Take that crap to Quebec! Damn elitist city slicker.
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:15 pm

Corvidae wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Touché


Woah, look at Mr. Culture with the thingy over the "e." Take that crap to Quebec! Damn elitist city slicker.


I actually don't know how to create that with a keyboard, I copied it off of some site into a word document that I keep on my desktop along with the infinity symbol. You never know when you're gonna need the infinity symbol. I used it yesterday in fact.
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby Corvidae on Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:21 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:
Corvidae wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Touché


Woah, look at Mr. Culture with the thingy over the "e." Take that crap to Quebec! Damn elitist city slicker.


I actually don't know how to create that with a keyboard, I copied it off of some site into a word document that I keep on my desktop along with the infinity symbol. You never know when you're gonna need the infinity symbol. I used it yesterday in fact.


I actually noticed that. Awesomeness.
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby littlemoonboot on Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:52 pm

LET'S SHOOT PENS!!!
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby mac5155 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:48 pm

Lemieux with the puck,
he gives it off to Francis.
Who passes it to Nedved
who gives it back to Francis,
who passes it to Zubov,
who slides it on the boards.
Back around to Mario
so we can shout once more:
SHOOT THE PUCK! SHOOT THE PUCK!"
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby dagny on Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:51 pm

mac5155 wrote:Lemieux with the puck,
he gives it off to Francis.
Who passes it to Nedved
who gives it back to Francis,
who passes it to Zubov,
who slides it on the boards.
Back around to Mario
so we can shout once more:
SHOOT THE PUCK! SHOOT THE PUCK!"


It seems I'm not the only one having Deja Vu lately. . . :wink:
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby Guinness on Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:59 pm

littlemoonboot wrote:LET'S SHOOT PENS!!!


Image ?

Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, "Draw!"
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby Gaucho on Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:16 pm

I have to chuckle whenever I read the thread title.
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby Dean Wormer on Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:23 pm

Gaucho wrote:I have to chuckle whenever I read the thread title.


What about "Are We Undershooting?"
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Re: Are We Overpassing?

Postby wallflower on Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:29 pm

We aren't overpassing. Or at least I'm not. I don't know about everyone else.
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