What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

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What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Noise on Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:41 pm

Letang:

1. Hits more
2. generally better in his own end
3. smarter about pinching
4. faster skater
5. right handed
6. has one more year on his entry level deal
7. less important signings to make that summer, Gonchar's leaving will probably free up plenty of cash to keep Letang
8. younger
9. Will stand up for his teammates when need be (remember the smack down on dubinski?)

Goligoski:

1. shoots the puck more
2. gets beaten pinching, holding the blue line, or just carrying the puck through the neutral zone far more


but yet I keep seeing people say "I'd want to keep Goligoski over Letang."

Goligoski's a great player and at this point in time uses his offensive abilities more, and I'd like to keep them both. But Letang's a better player that will be easier to re-sign.
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby jaysmiter on Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:45 pm

Simple. Letang is filling in for Whitney while Whitney is hurt.
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby newarenanow on Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:46 pm

As soon as Letang has one monster game, or Gogo has one horrible game, it will all switch.

Letang was the savior of the D last year.
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Mike99 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:47 pm

Because GoGo is producing more then letang. I think GoGo is a better powerplay specialist than letang. Plus GoGo RULES!!! :D
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Pitts on Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:48 pm

Its the same as all the Malkin > Crosby talk. Who the heck cares? They are both on "our" team!
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby cheesesteakwithegg on Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:50 pm

Pitts wrote:Its the same as all the Malkin > Crosby talk. Who the heck cares? They are both on "our" team!


exactly, who cares....we have them both.

now if we trade either tanger or gogo for, oh lets say a goal scoring winger, the let the comparisons begin.
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Mad City Mike on Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:50 pm

Yeah, I don't quite get it. But too many people are impressed solely by offensive numbers. Goligoski has indeed shown more offense this season than Letang has, and he might well end up being a better offensive defenseman. But I seriously doubt he'll be a better all-around defenseman than Letang. Letang does lots of little things that tend to go unnoticed. But there is a reason he's leading the defensemen in ice time, and that's because the coaches notice. His all-around game is at this point far superior to Goligoski's.
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby WildKaper on Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:51 pm

Letang will be this team's #1 defenseman in a couple years -- bookmark it. His game is about as complete as we have seen since Larry Murphy (although he has a long way to go before we can compare him to Murf).

Goligoski will be #2. A close #2, but #2 regardless. I see him looking more like a Coffee type defenseman, better offensive than defensive. Him a Letang will make a wicked 1/2 combination in a couple years.

Whitney will be gone. A big defenseman who can't skate and refuses to be physical (aren't there 100 of these guys out there today). He is Souray, without the shot, and without the testicular fortitude.
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby tph7856 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:57 pm

Letang is not good. He's incredibly weak defensively. Doesn't shoot the puck.

Only complain I have about gogo is he puts malkin in tough spots on the blue line alot during the PP.
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Pitts on Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:57 pm

WildKaper wrote:Whitney will be gone. A big defenseman who can't skate and refuses to be physical (aren't there 100 of these guys out there today). He is Souray, without the shot, and without the testicular fortitude.

I'm not sure I agree with this. Of course, I've never agreed with the constant Whitney raggin' that goes on around here. Whits is a smart defenseman who makes the right pass more often than not. Last year he also showed great strides on the physical side of the game, especially in the playoffs. A top 4 of Whitney/Orpik/Letang and Gologoski is looking pretty frickin' sweet right now.
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Pitts on Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:58 pm

tph7856 wrote:Letang is not good. He's incredibly weak defensively.

Hmmm... I see we don't watch too many real games , huh?
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Noise on Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:59 pm

Mad City Mike wrote:Yeah, I don't quite get it. But too many people are impressed solely by offensive numbers. Goligoski has indeed shown more offense this season than Letang has, and he might well end up being a better offensive defenseman. But I seriously doubt he'll be a better all-around defenseman than Letang. Letang does lots of little things that tend to go unnoticed. But there is a reason he's leading the defensemen in ice time, and that's because the coaches notice. His all-around game is at this point far superior to Goligoski's.


I think that's it.

It's the same thing with the whole "we need scoring wingers thing." What do people think Fedotenko, Satan, and Sykora are? Sure they don't have the pedigree of Hossa, but the Pens can't afford a winger with the pedigree of Hossa with their core. Plus if the Pens got Gaborik, he'd be in the box eating nachos throughout the playoffs. And also, have people been looking at the scores lately?
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Noise on Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:02 pm

tph7856 wrote:Letang is not good. He's incredibly weak defensively. Doesn't shoot the puck.

Only complain I have about gogo is he puts malkin in tough spots on the blue line alot during the PP.



The guy works the boards like mad, and most importantly gets the puck out. If he gets beat on the blue-line he gets back their and will stop the scoring chance from happening. He's got that recovery ability to make that desperation play that Whitney and Goligoski just can't do.

Also Letang's a great passer and puck carrier and you aren't going to see the guy stripped of the puck in a gray area like you'll see Goligoski get.
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby meow on Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:03 pm

The way I always look at D is if you were coaching a team, would you want 6 Letangs on the blue-line, or 6 Gogos?

I'd want 6 Letangs, no questions asked.
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby icecats30 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:05 pm

simply put.. i dont think either will be going anywhere anytime soon.. Letang is getting more and more comfortable offensively, and GoGo is getting more and more comfortable Defensively. It looks to me though that in the future letang will be more defensively responsible and GoGo will get a lot more offensive production. add whitney into that orpik and this defensive core is set for a long long time.
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Jesse on Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:08 pm

I told you people Letang was for real three years ago when he lead Val d'Or to the finals in the Q. Nothing has changed. To say he's "bad", is downright dumb.
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Three Stars on Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:09 pm

Well, what are we comparing? Letang at 87 NHL games and Goligoski at 19 NHL games. In that case...sure, it's obvious who you pick for this very moment.

Get back to us when Goligoski has played 87 NHL games + some playoffs. I dare say he'll have learned some defense by then. And unless he sustains several blows to the head, those offensive instincts will still be there. I'm not sure that's something you can teach young defensemen.

This is Crosby/Malkin all over again.
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Noise on Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:09 pm

Jesse wrote:I told you people Letang was for real three years ago when he lead Val d'Or to the finals in the Q. Nothing has changed. To say he's "bad", is downright dumb.


I believed you Jesse

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well, not 3 years ago because I didn't post here 3 years ago, but 2 years ago!
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Noise on Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:10 pm

Three Stars wrote:Well, what are we comparing? Letang at 87 NHL games and Goligoski at 19 NHL games. In that case...sure, it's obvious who you pick for this very moment.

Get back to us when Goligoski has played 87 NHL games + some playoffs. I dare say he'll have learned some defense by then. And unless he sustains several blows to the head, those offensive instincts will still be there. I'm not sure that's something you can teach young defensemen.

This is Crosby/Malkin all over again.



A lot of those things that Letang has over Goligoski he showed right off the bat last year and continues to show though. So :P
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Gaucho on Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:16 pm

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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Noise on Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:18 pm

icecats30 wrote:simply put.. i dont think either will be going anywhere anytime soon.. Letang is getting more and more comfortable offensively, and GoGo is getting more and more comfortable Defensively. It looks to me though that in the future letang will be more defensively responsible and GoGo will get a lot more offensive production. add whitney into that orpik and this defensive core is set for a long long time.


Goligoski could go somewhere soon unfortunately. I think he's a great future blue-liner and I really want the Pens to keep him, but look at this summer:

Signed NHL Players:

Centers:
Crosby
Malkin

Left Wings:
Dupuis
Cooke

Right Wings:
Kennedy
Godard

Defensemen:
Gonchar
Whitney
Orpik
Letang

Goalies:
fleury

about 42 million total.

You figure about 8 million for two top wingers
4 million for Staal
3 million for Goligoski
1.5 million for Talbot
1 million for Zigomanis

And the pens still need some more than that

Something's gotta give. And by something I think it is going to be one of Gonchar, Whitney, Goligoski, or Staal.

I know who most people here would choose, but none of us know what RS would do.
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Letang Is The Truth on Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:19 pm

Letang is the truth. 'Nuff Said.
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Letang Is The Truth on Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:22 pm

Noise wrote:
icecats30 wrote:
Defensemen:
Gonchar
Whitney
Orpik
Letang




Why not jettison Gonchar? As much as I hate to say it, the past few years he has arguably been one of the top three defensemen, but he's aging and there is no telling how he will respond to the injury and he has a pretty high price tag. I love him, but he may have to go.
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Noise on Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:25 pm

Letang Is The Truth wrote:
Noise wrote:
icecats30 wrote:
Defensemen:
Gonchar
Whitney
Orpik
Letang




Why not jettison Gonchar? As much as I hate to say it, the past few years he has arguably been one of the top three defensemen, but he's aging and there is no telling how he will respond to the injury and he has a pretty high price tag. I love him, but he may have to go.


He probably will have to. His Salary off the books would really help pay for several raises.

What would you rather have?

1 year of Gonchar

4-6 years of Staal + Talbot + whatever prospects/picks you can get in return for him?
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Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Letang Is The Truth on Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:31 pm

I totally agree, even though it stings me like a fissure in the as... butt.
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