What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Forum for Pittsburgh Penguins-related messages.

Moderators: Three Stars, dagny, pfim, netwolf

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Nuge on Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:40 pm

Gonchar has a no trade clause correct?
Nuge
ECHL'er
ECHL'er
 
Posts: 825
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:11 pm

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby WildKaper on Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:49 pm

If Gonchar wants to finish his career in PGH, and is will to take the same or a bit less than he is making now, I'm sorry, but Whitney will be the expendable defenseman. He makes 4 million a year for 4 years, which is attractive to other teams, and would help free money up now to sign some of the other pieces, like Staal and Letang.
WildKaper
Junior 'A'
Junior 'A'
 
Posts: 220
Joined: Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:48 pm

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Mongoose87 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:50 pm

WildKaper wrote:If Gonchar wants to finish his career in PGH, and is will to take the same or a bit less than he is making now, I'm sorry, but Whitney will be the expendable defenseman. He makes 4 million a year for 4 years, which is attractive to other teams, and would help free money up now to sign some of the other pieces, like Staal and Letang.


Whitney is more proven than Letang, and is super affordable FOR US at 4 mil.
Mongoose87
AHL All-Star
AHL All-Star
 
Posts: 6,908
Joined: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:04 pm
Location: The breakfast table of TRIUMPH!

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Noise on Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:04 pm

Nuge wrote:Gonchar has a no trade clause correct?



Yeah. So Whitney may be the piece to trade.
Noise
AHL All-Star
AHL All-Star
 
Posts: 5,438
Joined: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:35 am

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby newarenanow on Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:27 pm

WildKaper wrote:If Gonchar wants to finish his career in PGH, and is will to take the same or a bit less than he is making now, I'm sorry, but Whitney will be the expendable defenseman. He makes 4 million a year for 4 years, which is attractive to other teams, and would help free money up now to sign some of the other pieces, like Staal and Letang.


So you are willing to pay a guy (Gonchar) who is aging and in the downturn of his career and keep him over a guy for the same price that is on the upswing and still early (Whitney) in his career?
newarenanow
NHL Third Liner
NHL Third Liner
 
Posts: 41,140
Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:56 pm

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Mr. Colby on Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:32 pm

personally i just don't see it with letang... i haven't seen it in the 3 years he's been here. I do see signs of great potential in Goligoski though, ones that I don't see in letang. obviously letang is the better of the 2 right now considering he has more NHL experience, but in my eyes Goligoski has potential to be an outstanding dman in this league while letang will turn into more of a #3, two-way defenseman, which is fine
Mr. Colby
AHL Hall of Famer
AHL Hall of Famer
 
Posts: 8,334
Joined: Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:33 pm
Location: Born and Raised in Kent Manderville

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Noise on Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:42 pm

newarenanow wrote:
WildKaper wrote:If Gonchar wants to finish his career in PGH, and is will to take the same or a bit less than he is making now, I'm sorry, but Whitney will be the expendable defenseman. He makes 4 million a year for 4 years, which is attractive to other teams, and would help free money up now to sign some of the other pieces, like Staal and Letang.


So you are willing to pay a guy (Gonchar) who is aging and in the downturn of his career and keep him over a guy for the same price that is on the upswing and still early (Whitney) in his career?


If Gonchar doesn't want to waive his NTC, you don't really have a choice do you?
Noise
AHL All-Star
AHL All-Star
 
Posts: 5,438
Joined: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:35 am

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby helmespc on Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:56 pm

3 mil for Gogo? C'mon. If he's getting that kind of cash after his rookie season, we might as well just trade him now.
helmespc
ECHL'er
ECHL'er
 
Posts: 1,437
Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:48 am
Location: Cincinnati, OH

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Tybrus on Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:58 pm

If Gogo goes into this summer and signs for $3+ million on an offer sheet, it is likely that Shero shakes his hand and thanks him for replenishing our draft picks.
Tybrus
ECHL'er
ECHL'er
 
Posts: 2,421
Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:16 am
Location: Huntington, WV

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby helmespc on Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:02 pm

Exactly, Tybrus... as he should.
helmespc
ECHL'er
ECHL'er
 
Posts: 1,437
Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:48 am
Location: Cincinnati, OH

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:09 pm

People need to give up on Whitney as "expendable". He is the absolute last defenseman on this team that will be moved. It blows my mind that 1. People think Shero will move him and 2. Anyone would even be willing to move him.
Idoit40fans
NHL Third Liner
NHL Third Liner
 
Posts: 51,044
Joined: Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:42 pm
Location: No Reading, No Research, Just Strong Opinions

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby helmespc on Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:12 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:People need to give up on Whitney as "expendable". He is the absolute last defenseman on this team that will be moved. It blows my mind that 1. People think Shero will move him and 2. Anyone would even be willing to move him.


Has he proven himself to not be expendable?
helmespc
ECHL'er
ECHL'er
 
Posts: 1,437
Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:48 am
Location: Cincinnati, OH

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:13 pm

helmespc wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:People need to give up on Whitney as "expendable". He is the absolute last defenseman on this team that will be moved. It blows my mind that 1. People think Shero will move him and 2. Anyone would even be willing to move him.


Has he proven himself to not be expendable?


Yes.
Idoit40fans
NHL Third Liner
NHL Third Liner
 
Posts: 51,044
Joined: Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:42 pm
Location: No Reading, No Research, Just Strong Opinions

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Kicksave on Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:16 pm

helmespc wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:People need to give up on Whitney as "expendable". He is the absolute last defenseman on this team that will be moved. It blows my mind that 1. People think Shero will move him and 2. Anyone would even be willing to move him.


Has he proven himself to not be expendable?


Believe it or not, but Whitney has the most potential of any defensemen on this team including Goligoski and Letang.
Kicksave
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 20,572
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:53 am
Location: Feeling like I want to rage...right now.

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Letang Is The Truth on Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:18 pm

amen. Whitney was amazing in the SCF notably game 5. He is extremely skilled and was improving vastly before his injury. Hopefully he can pick up where he left off
Letang Is The Truth
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 23,408
Joined: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:59 pm
Location: The Panda Will Fly Away On A Rainbow

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby SoupOrSam on Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:26 pm

Pitts wrote:
tph7856 wrote:Letang is not good. He's incredibly weak defensively.

Hmmm... I see we don't watch too many real games , huh?


A comment like that isn't even worth responding to. Only reason I am commenting is to say I have taken the name that produced that comment and will forever ignore anything ever written from it.
SoupOrSam
AHL'er
AHL'er
 
Posts: 3,767
Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:46 pm
Location: Wanna fight? Why don't you stick your head up my butt and fight for air.

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:29 pm

SoupOrSam wrote:
Pitts wrote:
tph7856 wrote:Letang is not good. He's incredibly weak defensively.

Hmmm... I see we don't watch too many real games , huh?


A comment like that isn't even worth responding to. Only reason I am commenting is to say I have taken the name that produced that comment and will forever ignore anything ever written from it.


There is an ignore feature that makes that easier. I utilized it.
Idoit40fans
NHL Third Liner
NHL Third Liner
 
Posts: 51,044
Joined: Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:42 pm
Location: No Reading, No Research, Just Strong Opinions

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Henry Hank on Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:35 pm

It's easy, Goligoski is scoring goals, Letang isn't. One you don't have to look too deeply to notice, the other you do. I'm thrilled with Goligoski's production on the PP given the injuries on D. I think he has awesome offensive potential. I think Letang's been the better defenseman. He's pretty much doing it all - hitting, taking hits, blocking shots, moving the puck. He has the same number of points as Goligoski and most of them are ES. The bottom line is they're two good young defenseman that have great two-way potential and should be a big part of this blue line for years to come.

I agree with whoever said Whitney has the most potential of them all. It's true. He's got the size that those two lack - and no, size is not just about hitting. He's got Letang's passing, he's got Goligoski's offensive instincts, and he's a big guy. His upside is the greatest. I'll never understand how people think it'd be a good idea to dump him and extend Gonchar. Whitney's contract is going to be a steal, and he's on the upswing. I like Gonchar, but you have to go with youth if you have to choose between the two. Sometimes, you have to let guys go - that's just the reality of sports these days.
Henry Hank
NHL Healthy Scratch
NHL Healthy Scratch
 
Posts: 12,480
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2006 2:31 pm

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby SoupOrSam on Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:44 pm

I think there is a leash on Letang. I think since Letang is here now as a sure starter, they are looking to develop and round him out him as best as they can. Goligoski on the other hand would have zero chance at cracking the lineup more than a handful of times this season if not for injuries that have plagued us yet again. They're utilizing him more in a "let's see what sort of potential this kid has" role. I remember seeing Letang on many occasions last season single-handedly produce some offensive cycling by being the potential offensive powerhouse he was labeled. He has those skills and I believe that they are honing in on devloping his defensive responsiblities, which might I add he has done an incredible job at imo. Bravo to his fast development into this NHL's day in age where it takes most dmen many seasons to produce sound defense with the amount of icetime he carries. Thanks, I'll be signing autographs tomorrow.
SoupOrSam
AHL'er
AHL'er
 
Posts: 3,767
Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:46 pm
Location: Wanna fight? Why don't you stick your head up my butt and fight for air.

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:48 pm

SoupOrSam wrote:I think there is a leash on Letang. I think since Letang is here now as a sure starter, they are looking to develop and round him out him as best as they can. Goligoski on the other hand would have zero chance at cracking the lineup more than a handful of times this season if not for injuries that have plagued us yet again. They're utilizing him more in a "let's see what sort of potential this kid has" role. I remember seeing Letang on many occasions last season single-handedly produce some offensive cycling by being the potential offensive powerhouse he was labeled. He has those skills and I believe that they are honing in on devloping his defensive responsiblities, which might I add he has done an incredible job at imo. Bravo to his fast development into this NHL's day in age where it takes most dmen many seasons to produce sound defense with the amount of icetime he carries. Thanks, I'll be signing autographs tomorrow.


Thats another important thing to consider. They're still developing Letang a lot more carefully than Goligoski, he's 2 years younger. They've made sure that hes developed his defensive game, and its developed to the point where its a strength, he isn't getting by because of his great offensive abilities like he did years ago.

For some reason I typed "discover" where it now says consider. I have no idea why.
Last edited by Idoit40fans on Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Idoit40fans
NHL Third Liner
NHL Third Liner
 
Posts: 51,044
Joined: Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:42 pm
Location: No Reading, No Research, Just Strong Opinions

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Henry Hank on Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:53 pm

I think they're just going with what the players have shown. Letang has been hesitant to shoot the puck but is delivering in other areas, so he's not getting a lot of PP time but is getting a lot of minutes. Goligoski has been more assertive with his offense and is getting a lot of PP time. His ES has been limited, although he's been getting a lot of ice time in general lately.
Henry Hank
NHL Healthy Scratch
NHL Healthy Scratch
 
Posts: 12,480
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2006 2:31 pm

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby Letang Is The Truth on Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:56 pm

Letang's defensive ability has progressed so much in the last two years it's incredible. He is so solid. Letang is the truth
Letang Is The Truth
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 23,408
Joined: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:59 pm
Location: The Panda Will Fly Away On A Rainbow

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby PensHckyFan79 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:03 pm

Mike99 wrote:Because GoGo is producing more then letang. I think GoGo is a better powerplay specialist than letang. Plus GoGo RULES!!! :D



Thats just because Gogo gets time on the first PP unit. Im sure letang would get more points if he was on that unit firing slappers with malkin. Also they probably put him on the 2nd PP unit because they needed a better point man without malkin to run it. So LETANG>gogo
PensHckyFan79
ECHL'er
ECHL'er
 
Posts: 670
Joined: Thu Oct 02, 2008 2:12 pm
Location: H-burg

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby tph7856 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:13 pm

Pitts wrote:
tph7856 wrote:Letang is not good. He's incredibly weak defensively.

Hmmm... I see we don't watch too many real games , huh?


Oh we do, and he's not crap. But he's not at the level people put him on. Not sure what your looking at.
tph7856
Junior 'A'
Junior 'A'
 
Posts: 150
Joined: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:08 pm

Re: What is with all this Gogo > Letang talk?

Postby SoupOrSam on Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:21 pm

tph7856 wrote:
Pitts wrote:
tph7856 wrote:Letang is not good. He's incredibly weak defensively.

Hmmm... I see we don't watch too many real games , huh?


Oh we do, and he's not crap. But he's not at the level people put him on. Not sure what your looking at.


Sorry, we didn't win our goggles from Kellog's quite yet... :( Maybe we'll get lucky soon enough.
SoupOrSam
AHL'er
AHL'er
 
Posts: 3,767
Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:46 pm
Location: Wanna fight? Why don't you stick your head up my butt and fight for air.

PreviousNext

Return to Pittsburgh Penguins

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: FLPensFan, Rocco and 9 guests

e-mail