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2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby Noise on Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:58 pm

ISS top 30 prospects

1 Hedman, Victor LD 12/18/1990 L 6.06 220 Modo SweE
2 Tavares, John C 9/20/1990 L 6.00 198 Oshawa OHL
3 Cowen, Jared LD 1/25/1991 R 6.05 218 Spokane WHL
4 Duchene, Matt C 1/16/1991 L 5.11 196 Brampton OHL
5 Svensson-Paajarvi, Magnus LW 4/12/1991 L 6.01.5 200 Timra SweE
6 Schroeder, Jordan RW 9/29/1990 R 5.09 180 Minnesota WCHA
7 Kadri, Nazem C 10/6/1990 L 6.00 177 London OHL
8 Kane, Evander C 8/1/1991 L 5.11 160 Vancouver WHL
9 Panik, Richard C 2/7/1991 R 6.02 185 Trinec CzeJr
10 Schenn, Brayden C 8/22/1991 L 6.00 196 Brandon WHL
11 Morin, Jeremy C 4/16/1991 R 6.00.5 189 USA Under-18 NTDP
12 Bubnick, Jimmy RW 1/19/1991 R 6.02 190 Kamloops WHL
13 Shore, Drew C 1/29/1991 R 6.02 190 USA Under-18 NTDP
14 Elliott, Stefan LD 1/30/1991 R 6.01 184 Saskatoon WHL
15 Kassian, Zack RW 1/24/1991 R 6.03 205 Peterborough OHL
16 Ellis, Ryan RD 1/3/1991 R 5.10 173 Windsor OHL
17 Josefson, Jacob C 3/2/1991 L 6.00 187 Djurgarden SweE
18 Ferraro, Landon RW 8/8/1991 R 6.00 170 Red Deer WHL
19 Kivisto, Tommi RD 6/7/1991 L 6.01.5 192 Red Deer WHL
20 Leblanc, Louis C 1/26/1991 R 6.00 178 Omaha USHL
21 Moore, John LD 11/19/1990 L 6.02 189 Chicago USHL
22 Despres, Simon LD 7/27/1991 L 6.04 214 Saint John QMJHL
23 Kulikov, Dmitri LD 10/29/1990 L 6.01 195 Drummondville QMJHL
24 Holland, Peter C 1/14/1991 L 6.02 190 Guelph OHL
25 Klingberg, Carl LW 1/28/1991 R 6.03 205 V. Frolunda SweJE
26 Doherty, Taylor RD 3/2/1991 R 6.08 218 Kingston OHL
27 Nattinen, Joonas C 1/3/1991 R 6.02 180 Espoo FinJrA
28 Lander, Anton LW 4/24/1991 L 6.00 187 Timra SweE
29 Haula, Erik LW 3/23/1991 L 5.11 170 Shattuck-St. MN-HS
30 Rundblad, David RD 10/8/1990 R 6.02 189 Skelleftea SweE


Of note, Evander Kane, who's making his living on a line with Pens prospect CPZ, is ranked 8th.

Of the names I don't recognize, Taylor Doherty looks interesting, 6'8", reading a bit about him he sounds like a big guy who skates well and uses his size- fights, hits.

Who could the Pens land and what are the upsides/downsides of some of these guys?
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby purelebo84 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:16 pm

I'd put E-Kane in the top 6.

The guy is scary good, and better than Schroeder, maybe better than Kadri.
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby HomerPenguin on Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:33 pm

purelebo84 wrote:I'd put E-Kane in the top 6.

The guy is scary good, and better than Schroeder, maybe better than Kadri.


He's also 160 lbs., according to that list.
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby purelebo84 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:54 pm

HomerPenguin wrote:
purelebo84 wrote:I'd put E-Kane in the top 6.

The guy is scary good, and better than Schroeder, maybe better than Kadri.


He's also 160 lbs., according to that list.

He's undersized, yes, but he's a monster.

He reminds me a lot of a much better version of Brian Gionta, only taller.
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby mikey287 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:55 pm

Brayden Schenn will be a top 5 pick...MSP could probably go third...don't sleep on Anton Lander either...his stock is falling, but he's a big time talent...
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby purelebo84 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:47 pm

mikey287 wrote:Brayden Schenn will be a top 5 pick...MSP could probably go third...don't sleep on Anton Lander either...his stock is falling, but he's a big time talent...

I agree MSP is likely to go third, but I wouldn't sleep on Duchene or Cowen in that spot either.

I don't think Schenn goes top 5 either, unless the Leafs have a chance at him.
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby mikey287 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:16 pm

Whoa, whoa, whoa...hold everything...where is Toni Rajala?

Last info I saw had the real #1, Hedman, at 6'7", 229 lbs...
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby mikey287 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:20 pm

purelebo84 wrote:
mikey287 wrote:Brayden Schenn will be a top 5 pick...MSP could probably go third...don't sleep on Anton Lander either...his stock is falling, but he's a big time talent...

I agree MSP is likely to go third, but I wouldn't sleep on Duchene or Cowen in that spot either.

I don't think Schenn goes top 5 either, unless the Leafs have a chance at him.


Ya know, this is gonna be one of those things, like you hint at with your Leafs comment, who's where in the draft order, determines where players go...there's a legitimate chance at 2 generational talents, 10 franchise players in this draft...is Brayden Schenn falls out of the top 5, then there's gonna be about 6 or so teams that feel like they're picking 1st overall...this is a whale of a draft, 1979, 1990, 2003...2009.
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby purelebo84 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:23 pm

mikey287 wrote:
purelebo84 wrote:
mikey287 wrote:Brayden Schenn will be a top 5 pick...MSP could probably go third...don't sleep on Anton Lander either...his stock is falling, but he's a big time talent...

I agree MSP is likely to go third, but I wouldn't sleep on Duchene or Cowen in that spot either.

I don't think Schenn goes top 5 either, unless the Leafs have a chance at him.


Ya know, this is gonna be one of those things, like you hint at with your Leafs comment, who's where in the draft order, determines where players go...there's a legitimate chance at 2 generational talents, 10 franchise players in this draft...is Brayden Schenn falls out of the top 5, then there's gonna be about 6 or so teams that feel like they're picking 1st overall...this is a whale of a draft, 1979, 1990, 2003...2009.

It is very deep, I agree.

If the Leafs have a chance at Schenn, and Tavares, Hedman, and MSP are off the board, there's a good chance they take him, obviously because it would make Luke happy and just be a fairy tale story. I think most other teams would take Duchene before him, and probably Cowen too. Kadri could also come into play.
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby Noise on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:27 pm

I bet the Leafs trade up for Schenn. Write it down.
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby purelebo84 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:27 pm

Also, I'm surprised they have Ellis as low as they do.

He's the best offensive defenseman to play junior hockey in Ontario since Paul Coffey. Looking at his stat line, you'd think he's a forward. And he's so fast it's unreal.
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby purelebo84 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:28 pm

Noise wrote:I bet the Leafs trade up for Schenn. Write it down.

It's possible, but there are two sides to that coin.

It would likely cost them Stralman, or something like that. Maybe just more picks.
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby mikey287 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:34 pm

purelebo84 wrote:Also, I'm surprised they have Ellis as low as they do.

He's the best offensive defenseman to play junior hockey in Ontario since Paul Coffey. Looking at his stat line, you'd think he's a forward. And he's so fast it's unreal.


I agree, I was gonna say something about that and forgot...this kid is a dynamo from the blueline...but that again, just speaks to how deep this is...but I have to believe some of those guys start falling on draft day, guys like maybe Panik or Josefson, maybe Bubnick (not to mention, these are prelims)...but yeah, Ellis is a player I think I recall hearing about a few years ago before he got to the OHL...

As for the Leafs trading up, I'm not sure they'll need to at the end of the year, but yes, I really see the Leafs coming away with Schenn on draft day...

I think I like B.Schenn's chances of being in the NHL as a rookie...it would be better for him long term if he didn't...but I could see him making an impression because he's so much more than a scorer...he's got the sandpaper, you're talking Iginla, you're talking Mike Richards...he goes 1st overall in a fair number of drafts, and here in 2009 were debating whether or not he goes in the top 5...awesome.
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby Jesse on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:55 pm

I'm not a big fan of Taylor Doherty. He's slow and often soft in-game. His physical prowess isn't there and his decision making isn't very good either.

Jimmy Bubnick should end up a top 7 pick at the end of the year. The guy has future captain material written all over him and has the best natural shot of anyone in this draft class.

I spoke to a guy who's opinion I trust very much, and he harped on Simon Despres to me a lot today. I've seen Despres play a few times when I've watched Alex Grant. He's a great fit for the Penguins. The e-mail I recieved from this guy really got me thinking about what a great fit Despres would be. He already has chemistry with Grant via their time together.

Agree with Mikey re: Brayden Schenn. His father taught those kids the value of hard work and dedication. Schenn is a fireball. The kind of guy you hate to play against. He reminds me of some of our Penguins in the way he takes the extra shot when he's losing. When you mess with his teammates, he's fast to respond and is another guy that has the aura of a leader.

Jared Cowen is way to high in the ISS. I'm not sure he's even top 5 material.

If I could predict what Ray Shero could do based on the type of player he's proven he likes, I'd say keep an eye on Cassidy Mappin from Red Deer.

With any luck, we get our second crack at Oscar Moller when Ray Shero steals Tony Rajala late in the first round. :)
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby meecrofilm on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:57 pm

Cassidy Mappin. Pens need to draft him. What a sweet name.

Yes, that's all that matters.
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby Bob McKenzie on Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:25 am

Noise wrote:I bet the Leafs trade up for Schenn. Write it down.


There is no doubt that will happen...especially if Brian Burke takes over as GM.

Guess who set drafted and set up to trade up for the Sedin twins? Brian Burke.
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby mikey287 on Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:06 am

Jesse wrote:Jimmy Bubnick should end up a top 7 pick at the end of the year. The guy has future captain material written all over him and has the best natural shot of anyone in this draft class.

I spoke to a guy who's opinion I trust very much, and he harped on Simon Despres to me a lot today. I've seen Despres play a few times when I've watched Alex Grant. He's a great fit for the Penguins. The e-mail I recieved from this guy really got me thinking about what a great fit Despres would be. He already has chemistry with Grant via their time together.


Couple of interesting points, I haven't been exposed to Despres enough to form a valid opinion of him...although, being the top-rated Q player (right?) says a lot...I'll have to look at Bubnick closer, I thought he was a little high on this list (respectfully)...but sometimes if I only see players a handful of times, I catch their worst games or their best games...(you should see some of the hate mail I get from Hockey's Future on a guy like Richard Bachman from Colorado College...something as simple as "it's a long road to the NHL for the undersized Bachman, if he makes it at all" - something quite generic draws some ire...)

Anyway, while I'm talking about Dallas prospects, Jesse, Jamie Benn...thoughts? What an impression he made as a rookie in the Dub last year, and boy, has he not disappointed for Kelowna this year...major league gem for Dallas in the 5th round (IIRC), wouldn't you say?
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby Noise on Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:20 am

Bob McKenzie wrote:
Noise wrote:I bet the Leafs trade up for Schenn. Write it down.


There is no doubt that will happen...especially if Brian Burke takes over as GM.

Guess who set drafted and set up to trade up for the Sedin twins? Brian Burke.


I don't think that's naturally a bad thing. With Brayden Schenn you're not just drafting him because his brother is a good top 15 pick, you're getting him because he's a good top 15 pick as well. And why not have players that are familiar with each other? I think it can help player development a lot.

That's what's interesting for the Pens about Kane and Despres. Though I don't know if Kane could drop into the 20s.
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby Noise on Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:33 am

Btw, here are the CSS reports:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=28187
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby Gaucho on Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:42 am

If we draft Panik I'm going to buy his jersey. :lol:
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby Mosby on Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:41 pm

I like Zack Kassian and Michael Latta...two guys that play with a lot of jam. Bubnick would be a good pick for the Penguins too. I doubt that we'll be in a position to pick either Kassian or Bubnick.
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby Noise on Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:20 pm

Gaucho wrote:If we draft Panik I'm going to buy his jersey. :lol:


fat chance, unless Pens use Gonchar to trade up
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby icecats30 on Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:39 pm

they just better not draft another center.. thats all im saying.. enough with the best player available we cant expect to trade prospects all the time.. i want them to draft by need and get the best available at the wings.
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby Noise on Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:51 pm

icecats30 wrote:they just better not draft another center.. thats all im saying.. enough with the best player available we cant expect to trade prospects all the time.. i want them to draft by need and get the best available at the wings.


I'd rather have the best available guy. If it is a center, so be it.

Either way the Pens probably aren't going to see the guy in the NHL for 3-4 years, so who knows what happens by then.

Also players can convert.
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Re: 2009 Draft (Jesse to thread!)

Postby Bob McKenzie on Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:52 pm

The Pens should trade up and draft MSP.
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