Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Pens15 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:50 pm

It is brutal. This one was his worst effort yet at that. What is his thought process on that? I'm just going to unleash a weak shot from the hash-marks? He thinks that's going to work?
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby purelebo84 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:52 pm

Because he's scored a few big goals.

Ignore the fact that he misses 70 percent of the time.... just the infinite wisdom of MT.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby meecrofilm on Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:52 pm

Last I heard from Staal he doesnt even like shootouts because he says he has too much time to think about it.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Easton on Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:57 pm

Woo hoo, I knew it was coming.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Pens15 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:58 pm

Easton wrote:Woo hoo, I knew it was coming.


How many more times does he have to miss before you would take him off?
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby meecrofilm on Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:58 pm

Karl_Racki wrote:Listen I have no problem him there when he is on a streak, but its like a rule he has to be on the shootout and he has to shoot last.
I watched Minnesota, Philly, and Calgary over the last few weeks and they have gone with hot players in their shootout.

Right Now.. Letang, Staal, Malkin is the best bet.


Once again: I don't think Staal wants any part of the shootout. Unless we hear differently.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby purelebo84 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:59 pm

meecrofilm wrote:Last I heard from Staal he doesnt even like shootouts because he says he has too much time to think about it.

I heard that too.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Kicksave on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:00 pm

We need Ruutu.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Pens15 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:00 pm

If MT decides he wants to give Staal a turn in the shootout, then Staal's up. He can't just pull a Jagr and refuse to shoot.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby meecrofilm on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:02 pm

Pens15 wrote:If MT decides he wants to give Staal a turn in the shootout, then Staal's up. He can't just pull a Jagr and refuse to shoot.


You also want to put a guy out there that has a lot of confidence in what he's doing.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby meecrofilm on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:03 pm

Well, he did say it, so uh...
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby kovyman1127 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:08 pm

yeah...independent of tonight...Crosby shouldn't be a shooter until the 4th or 5th round. Therien said last year that "he isn't going to have his best player not be in on the shootout...even if he's 0 for 100."

Using that logic, Wayne Gretzky wasn't good at breakaways and wasn't used in the shootout when he was in the Olympics for a reason....he stinks at them.

There are few things I harp on MT for...but this is one of them.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby meecrofilm on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:08 pm

Couldn't dig that one up for ya. I think it may have been against the Rangers last year. Or maybe the year before that. He had a piss poor penalty shot attempt, and after the game he said he never ever liked those penalty shot type situations because he has too much time to think.

Again, if he's changed his tune since then, I'd be all for putting the guy in, but until we hear anything differently, you'd have to assume that he still feels that way.

And just for the record, the next time the Pens go into a shootout I'd put this out

Geno
Letang
Satan

That way you also get that nice Lefty-Righty-Lefty action on the goaltenders. Never hurts to give 'em different looks.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Pens15 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:09 pm

I think every forward on the team should practice shootouts and prepare as if there is a chance they will get called on. Whether they want to or not, it's part of the game and they should all be willing to do it if they get pegged.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby netwolf on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:16 pm

They do practice it, at least as much as you can. There's a team-wide shootout competition at every practice.

I honestly don't know how much good it does. Seems like a lot of it is reacting to what the goaltender gives you as you move in.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Easton on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:18 pm

netwolf wrote:They do practice it, at least as much as you can. There's a team-wide shootout competition at every practice.

I honestly don't know how much good it does. Seems like a lot of it is reacting to what the goaltender gives you as you move in.


And tonight backstrom was giving them a whole lotta nothin'.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Why So Serious? on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:19 pm

I knew 87 wouldn't score there. Just because he's the top 3 player in the NHL and the face of the NHL doesn't warrant him continuously embarrassing himself on these shootout attempts. He is just God awful on the shootouts, he might be the worst in the NHL in shootouts who is a consistent shoot out player. Why not Malkin? Why not Satan? Hell, try someone like Kennedy or Cooke even. Crosby is just horrible on SO's. Hopefully that is the last of him that we see on the shootouts.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby CarlislePensFan on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:20 pm

Karl_Racki wrote:Listen I have no problem him there when he is on a streak, but its like a rule he has to be on the shootout and he has to shoot last.
I watched Minnesota, Philly, and Calgary over the last few weeks and they have gone with hot players in their shootout.

Right Now.. Letang, Staal, Malkin is the best bet.


Not only is Crosby not on a "hot streak", tonight's game he was having trouble even being noticed. That being said..I agree that MT should go with those players that currently are on a streak.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Easton on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:25 pm

For everyone calling on Malkin to go in the Shootout - he's no better than Crosby at them. His stats are actually worse.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby netwolf on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:26 pm

If Therrien hasn't taken Crosby out of the top 3 shooters yet, I'm guessing the chances of it happening anytime soon aren't very good.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:27 pm

This blows my mind as well. That really all I have to say.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Why So Serious? on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:29 pm

Easton wrote:For everyone calling on Malkin to go in the Shootout - he's no better than Crosby at them. His stats are actually worse.


All I know is that he has been better than Crosby THIS YEAR.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:31 pm

Why So Serious? wrote:
Easton wrote:For everyone calling on Malkin to go in the Shootout - he's no better than Crosby at them. His stats are actually worse.


All I know is that he has been better than Crosby THIS YEAR.


Malkin = 4/13 = .31
Crosby = 9/31? = .29

So technically he is better, but this year he is 1 of 2, he should be given more chances.

And my original post at the top of this page was in regards to actually shooting. I don't mind him being in there, but why does he shoot 4/5 times? With his puck handling skills, he should be making a move.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby netwolf on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:32 pm

I think I'd rather just capitalize on an extra chance or two in regulation and make the shootout order irrelevant. Or trade for Eric Christensen and Jussi Jokinen.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Pens15 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:34 pm

I'm trying to figure out what Crosby's issue is on these shootouts. It has to be a mental thing. What is he thinking that makes him try to go five-hold every time? What's the thought process. I just can't comprehend it, we know he is capable of doing moves.
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