Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby czwalga on Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:23 am

I don't understand MT's logic. If sid is 'too good' not to be in the shootout then Malkin should be in every one as well.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby netwolf on Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:32 am

Kovy27 wrote:I think we should trade for Erik Christensen.


Stop trying to steal my idea.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Kovy27 on Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:33 am

netwolf wrote:
Kovy27 wrote:I think we should trade for Erik Christensen.


Stop trying to steal my idea.


DULT! I didn't even see that. I guess I should take you off ignore. :P :lol:
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Kicksave on Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:34 am

Kovy27 wrote:
netwolf wrote:
Kovy27 wrote:I think we should trade for Erik Christensen.


Stop trying to steal my idea.


DULT! I didn't even see that. I guess I should take you off ignore. :P :lol:


But..how can you reply to that if he was on ignore the first time? :evil:
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Kovy27 on Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:41 am

Kicksave wrote:But..how can you reply to that if he was on ignore the first time? :evil:


Maybe you should pay attention!
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Steve on Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:51 am

Just get rid of the shootouts - or at least make them best of 5 shooters.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Penspal on Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:55 am

When Sid is on his game, then he does not suffer from pressure the way most people do. His mental game is very strong, and therefore with his skillset I would have him in the shootout.

However, as mentioned in another thread, there is some speculation as to how "healthy" Crosby is right now.


With the number of shootouts the Pens are in, having a Shootout specialist in place would be a good idea... Peso? :twisted:
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby LeopardLetang on Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:55 am

Waffles wrote:For what it's worth, it's not just Sid. The majority of the last-man shooters focus on just getting it on goal in score-to-tie situations. Maybe he would try something if he was higher in the order, but when the team is counting on you to tie it, you don't want to look like a CLOWN attempting some rediculous move. Just something I've noticed since the post-lockout season.


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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby LeopardLetang on Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:58 am

Henry Hank wrote:I think it'd be a bigger deal if they had better options. Letang seems to have been figured out. Sykora and Satan are pretty good but not definites. Neither Malkin nor Crosby has ever really been good at them. I liked that they used Goligoski - skilled defensemen tend to do pretty well in these (see: Zidlicky scoring the winner). We were spoiled when they had Christensen. He was as close to automatic as you could probably get.


aw man, no way letang has been figured out. he's got 3 or 4 moves. if anything you could say goligoski is figured out since his one move was stone cold blocked last night. just saying. if you want a skilled defenseman, you still start with letang.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Eismann on Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:58 am

Seems like more shooters are opting for the lazy-skate-in approach. I'd rather see them go in full-speed and turn up the pressure on the goalie.

BTW: I'm 0-for-0 in NHL shootouts in my career.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Steve on Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:00 am

LeopardLetang wrote:
Waffles wrote:For what it's worth, it's not just Sid. The majority of the last-man shooters focus on just getting it on goal in score-to-tie situations. Maybe he would try something if he was higher in the order, but when the team is counting on you to tie it, you don't want to look like a CLOWN attempting some rediculous move. Just something I've noticed since the post-lockout season.


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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby LeopardLetang on Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:01 am

meecrofilm wrote:
joker10277 wrote:"You have to work on it," Scuderi said. "You never know when you're going to be the 20th guy called. I have that shootout stick ready if I get my number called."
That made me LOL.............Hysterical.......... :lol: :lol:


He needs to be called next SO. Hey, didn't he put up good offensive numbers in college. The ability's there. Do it HCMT. haha.

Ok, maybe like, near the end of the season, if Pens have the conference locked up or something.

OH, I just realized why Sid went 5-hole. That's his powder-blue move :lol:


yeah, but i guess the ice was too bad for him to try to deke this time...er..
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby LeopardLetang on Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:04 am

Steve wrote:
LeopardLetang wrote:
Waffles wrote:For what it's worth, it's not just Sid. The majority of the last-man shooters focus on just getting it on goal in score-to-tie situations. Maybe he would try something if he was higher in the order, but when the team is counting on you to tie it, you don't want to look like a CLOWN attempting some rediculous move. Just something I've noticed since the post-lockout season.


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hahaha. ahh. actually, hartnell's got sabo right where he wants him. he uses that as a set-up move all the time right before he goes in for a headlock
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Va Beach Pens Fan on Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:08 am

Shameless plug, I just wrote an article on KK about this.... :D

By the way, as I wrote in there, check out http://www.nhlshootouts.com, great stuff....
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby newarenanow on Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:20 am

Karl_Racki wrote:Listen I have no problem him there when he is on a streak, but its like a rule he has to be on the shootout and he has to shoot last.
I watched Minnesota, Philly, and Calgary over the last few weeks and they have gone with hot players in their shootout.

Right Now.. Letang, Staal, Malkin is the best bet.


I agree, except with the Malkin part. He is just as bad.

I can't believe two of the most talented players in the world suck this bad at the shootout.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Gage18 on Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:38 am

newarenanow wrote:
Karl_Racki wrote:Listen I have no problem him there when he is on a streak, but its like a rule he has to be on the shootout and he has to shoot last.
I watched Minnesota, Philly, and Calgary over the last few weeks and they have gone with hot players in their shootout.

Right Now.. Letang, Staal, Malkin is the best bet.


I agree, except with the Malkin part. He is just as bad.

I can't believe two of the most talented players in the world suck this bad at the shootout.



but yet score when in the game and go on a breakway most of the time...
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby KG on Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:47 pm

Not one of Sids best efforts last night. I think he is 9/32 now 28%...not good...

Sykora and Satan should be 2 definites. Statistically they are very good.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Jim on Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:58 pm

Doesn't Malkin have the WORST shootout record on the team?

And Staal isn't in there because with no defensemen to knock him over... the fans might actually have to admit that Staal isn't very good offensively...
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby CKA24 on Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:51 pm

LeopardLetang wrote:
Waffles wrote:For what it's worth, it's not just Sid. The majority of the last-man shooters focus on just getting it on goal in score-to-tie situations. Maybe he would try something if he was higher in the order, but when the team is counting on you to tie it, you don't want to look like SCOTT HARTNELL attempting some rediculous move. Just something I've noticed since the post-lockout season.


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Re-fixed...

EDIT: Aw crap... Beat like a rented mule....
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby 17132 on Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:06 pm

czwalga wrote:I don't understand MT's logic. If sid is 'too good' not to be in the shootout then Malkin should be in every one as well.


Agreed. HCMT's reasoning for putting Crosby in the shootout is if they lose and he doesn't shoot, then he wouldn't be able to go to bed thinking he didn't use the best player in the world. Well it appears Geno is the best player in the world right now, so his logic is out the window.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Admin on Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:16 pm

Va Beach Pens Fan wrote:Shameless plug, I just wrote an article on KK about this.... :D

By the way, as I wrote in there, check out http://www.nhlshootouts.com, great stuff....

Link:
http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/t ... _shootout/
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Eismann on Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:18 pm

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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Samsdog on Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:26 pm

I don't see a huge problem with it, no one on the team is that spectacular at them and at least Crosby has the skillful puck handling and speed to at least make him a reasonable threat to score, even if he doesn't most of the time it's not like with Malkin last year where you saw him shooting and knew he was going to miss.
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby Va Beach Pens Fan on Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:28 pm

KG wrote:Not one of Sids best efforts last night. I think he is 9/32 now 28%...not good...

Sykora and Satan should be 2 definites. Statistically they are very good.


Yup, that's right..... BTW, Malkin is 4 for 19 in his career for 21%....
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Re: Why, Why does #87 have to shoot in every shootout?

Postby darkstar57 on Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:47 pm

here is my theory.

Go back to the winter classic last year. It was the biggest game for the NHL in the US in years, they marketed the crud out of it. They forced both teams to make sure it went to a shootout , have a guy for each team score in the shootout to make it look like its not rigged. Then with the game on the line, in front of one of the biggest TV audiences for the NHL in years, you have your most marketed players come up with the game on line. BAM, he scores. Seriously, it like written by a hollywood writer. I though Michael Bay directed it all (then i realized there where no explosion. KABOOOMMMM)

So now the NHL forces MT to have crosby go last for dramatic reasons.

you know, now i realize Gary Bettman is in charge and he is not that smart, that is something David Stern would pull. IE the knicks winning the Ewning lottery
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