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Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby meecrofilm on Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:57 pm

How bad is it really going to be? For anyone who didn't know, there was an Eagles concert at the Mellon tonight at 8 (which is probably still going on circa 11 o'clock). And with the 'Nucks game starting at 2, instead of the normal 7:30, it gives the ice crew an extremely small window of time to get the ice ready for the game.

But I'm not an expert on these things. Is there anyone here who is familiar with how this works? Will the ice having a shorter time to sit after being set actually make it smoother?
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Re: Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby Zach6668 on Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:03 am

All they generally do is put an insulation layer over the ice, then a layer of wood or whatever they use for the floor, and then run the concert on that. They don't actually take the ice out, or anything like that.

I would imagine they would give it a scraping and/or a full cleaning as soon as the concert equipment is out of the way, and I doubt it'll be much different than normal.

Semi-informed, sorta guessing answer.
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Re: Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby meecrofilm on Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:07 am

Well I did not in fact know that, so, uh, thanks! It's great to learn.
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Re: Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby Zach6668 on Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:15 am

Yeah, I'm just basing it off watching a Kings game, or something out West, where they had a basketball game and a hockey game on the same day, so I'm assuming the process is the same at the Igloo.

Regardless of the differences in their methods, there's a 0% chance they actually take the ice out. That much I'm 100% sure of. :)
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Re: Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby Lorneadoon on Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:36 am

Zach's right.

They do put a layer of homasote (about an inch think of compressed paper stuff) over the ice, then a "shell" over top of that. After the concert ends, the stage and seating will be removed (say around 3 a.m.) then the flooring takes about three hours to remove. Around 6 am, or so, they will see the ice and flood it with the Zamboni to clean and cure the ice. They'll also re-assemble the glass, attach the doors and atop the dasher boards.

This is actually a big reason for a new arena. The only two access points are the area where the Zamboni come out and a similar size area at the other end. Most newer arenas can allow access from the four corners and it makes it a lot more manageable for forklifts, dollys and workers. If you've never been under the seats of the arena, there is VERY LITTLE wiggle room. Keep in mind the Eagles' roadies have to breakdown everything and get out of the way before the Mellon crew restores the rink set-up.

The outside temperature and humidity are ideal right now (Humidity is the biggest issue for "good ice") The ice won't be perfect, but the sheet will be better than the stuff they play on late in the playoffs.

It is orchestrated very well. They also have the benefit of no morning skate which is typical for most early games.

Sorry for the ramble. But it is an incredible process that most people take for granted.
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Re: Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby wallflower on Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:40 am

Lorneadoon wrote:Sorry for the ramble. But it is an incredible process that most people take for granted.

Don't apologize, that was excellent. I've always wondered how that works. Thanks for explaining.
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Re: Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby Idoit40fans on Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:16 am

Yeah, I just got home from the concert, which was pretty good aside from an a-hole harassing me the whole game. They were on till around 11 30. I can't wait to see the mess that is the ice tomorrow.
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Re: Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby bringitonhome on Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:10 am

It also helps that it's so cold out.
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Re: Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby Draftnik on Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:59 pm

The ice was terrible. The puck was bouncing all over the place.
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Re: Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby bill from turtle creek on Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:26 pm

Both teams play on the same ice, so any advantage/disadvantage is negligible. And in truth, most of the ice in the league on most nights is somewhere between terrible and horrific.
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Re: Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby Justin Catanzarite on Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:39 pm

Bad ice would definitely favor Vancouver over Pittsburgh. I don't think it is negligible considering that the Penguins play a somewhat up-tempo skill game and the 'Nucks play a defensive style, especially when their superstar goalie gets hurt.
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Re: Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby Idoit40fans on Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:42 pm

Justin Catanzarite wrote:Bad ice would definitely favor Vancouver over Pittsburgh. I don't think it is negligible considering that the Penguins play a somewhat up-tempo skill game and the 'Nucks play a defensive style, especially when their superstar goalie gets hurt.
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Re: Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby shmenguin on Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:14 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:
Justin Catanzarite wrote:Bad ice would definitely favor Vancouver over Pittsburgh. I don't think it is negligible considering that the Penguins play a somewhat up-tempo skill game and the 'Nucks play a defensive style, especially when their superstar goalie gets hurt.


yes.

sid can't play on bad ice. we have inexperienced players on the power play points. bad ice hurts us more than other teams.
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Re: Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby BurghThing on Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:06 pm

It will be so nice when we move to the new arena. We have a team built of speed and world-class puck handling that plays all of its home games on the ice equivalent of gravel. It would be like the Steelers going with a long passing style of offense, and speed rushers on defense, yet insisting on playing on a mud bog at home......um, wait, bad analogy.
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Re: Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby bill from turtle creek on Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:04 pm

Bad ice hurts everybody. All teams have some inexperienced players, all teams have some skill guys. It all comes out even at the end. Anybody who uses bad ice as an excuse is weak, which is why you never hear the Pens themselves talk about ti.
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Re: Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby Idoit40fans on Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:06 pm

bill from turtle creek wrote:Bad ice hurts everybody. All teams have some inexperienced players, all teams have some skill guys. It all comes out even at the end. Anybody who uses bad ice as an excuse is weak, which is why you never hear the Pens themselves talk about ti.


Its not the reason they lost, but it certainly hurts arguable the most skilled team in the league more than it hurts a defensive grinding team.
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Re: Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby shmenguin on Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:45 pm

bill from turtle creek wrote:Bad ice hurts everybody. All teams have some inexperienced players, all teams have some skill guys. It all comes out even at the end. Anybody who uses bad ice as an excuse is weak, which is why you never hear the Pens themselves talk about ti.


the pens aren't in the habit of making excuses. they certainly wouldn't say something like, "sid operates at such a high speed, that he needs good ice more than the average players of the league". yeah, that would go over well. and you won't hear them complain about it because they talk to reporters looking for national attention, not people who hotlink pictures of bob saget.

if you think that the ice affects vancouver the same as it affects pittsburgh, you're immune to reason on this matter.
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Re: Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby bill from turtle creek on Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:53 pm

The Pens are big boys now. They don't need to scrape the bottom of the barrel for excuses.
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Re: Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby Idoit40fans on Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:53 pm

bill from turtle creek wrote:The Pens are big boys now. They don't need to scrape the bottom of the barrel for excuses.


And they don't, so what is your problem? Get over yourself.
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Re: Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby Justin Catanzarite on Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:54 am

Bill is edgy maaaaaaaaaan, he goes against the common opinion maaaaaaaaaan.

ehck...
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Re: Ice Condition for the Vancouver Game

Postby bill from turtle creek on Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:13 pm

Nah, not edgy. Just think there doesn't have to be an excuse for every loss. Oftentimes, the other team just plays better.
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