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The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby burghsportsguys on Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:50 pm

... is that the Penguins didn't act like Sydor was Paul Coffey.

This is just idiotic the way the staff is overusing this guy. A power play specialist that can't keep the puck in, and can't take a pass....

I was all for dumping Sydor, but I'd rather have him as the #7 d-man on this team over Boucher being viewed as the second coming of Paul Coffey by the coaching staff. Who knew we could upgrade that spot, but get worse because of it.
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby Bob McKenzie on Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:53 pm

meh

When did they say he was the second coming of Paul Coffey? Doesn't even make any sense. Two players with completely opposite styles anyways.
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby meecrofilm on Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:55 pm

Puck was bouncing all over the place. I'm not going to fault a guy who has the puck bounce over his stick at the last second. That being said... anyone miss Whitney more?
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby Mongoose87 on Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:57 pm

I miss Whitney almost as much as I missed the days when the refs didn't eject players for no reason and did call interference.
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby The U on Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:57 pm

I'm surprised with how much time Boucher got tonight in key situations, but I'm not against it. With the short-handed opps Gogo and Letang have been giving up, having him on the PP is fine. Orpik, Gill, Scuds don't belong there. 5-on-5 he missed a pass or two but played as well as anybody else. His outlet passes are real good. Give him some more time in the system and he'll play even better. Thus far I see nothing to complain about. The entire team has looked average over the past 3 games.

We're not cycling or dominating offensive time of possession like we were last year. That's annoying to me. No sustained offense and a bad PP.
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby meecrofilm on Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:00 pm

Mongoose87 wrote:I miss Whitney almost as much as I missed the days when the refs didn't eject players for no reason and did call interference.


Yeah... Cooke being ejected was definitely huge BS. Could've used him this game.

Unfortunately, interference never being called during the dying moments of the game is about the norm.
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby DrBoni on Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:07 pm

He was fine tonight. Take a few hours off before you pontificate about this one...
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby wallflower on Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:19 pm

I've been pretty ambivalent toward Boucher so far. I don't think he's been bad but I don't think he's been great either.
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby purelebo84 on Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:27 pm

I propose a 24 hour rule for you.

Other than the one wiff on the powerplay, he looked fine. He would've had 2 assists if Sid or Sykie could have converted one of their 15 combined golden chances.
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby Henry Hank on Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:32 pm

Boucher is really slow. I figured he was a smooth skating offensively talented guy, but he definitely isn't. I'll chalk some of his fumbling up to not being used to playing with the kind of talent the Pens have. Let's see how he adjusts. He's got a booming right-handed shot and if you look at past seasons, he's a guy that will put up some hits and blocked shot numbers, so he looks like he's pretty well-rounded.
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby Noise on Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:47 pm

I think once Gonchar and Whitney come back Boucher will look like a very solid number 6 guy.
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby burghsportsguys on Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:54 pm

Honestly, 24 hours won't make a difference for me.

It's not like the guy sucks, it's just that they are overusing/overvaluing him. Having him (and another d-man) on the point on the #1 PP unit is not going to make this team better. They had him on the #1 PP in OT the other night in his first game in B&G.

Let Sid run the show on the right wing boards and have Malkin as the shooter on the right point.

Again, I don't think the guy is terrible, he's simply being used as if he's a lot better than he really is. When Gonchar is healthy, sure, plug him right into the #1 PP unit, but Boucher?

And yes, they got hosed with the early ejection of Cooke, totally killed our line combos. Could have been some penalties called late in the 3rd to give us a shot to tie.
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby Idoit40fans on Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:55 pm

Boucher seems like he can play a physical game or he can be effective once the team is set up in the offensive zone. I'm not crazy about him in transition unless he is standing in front of the net.
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby penny lane on Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:56 pm

Noise wrote:I think once Gonchar and Whitney come back Boucher will look like a very solid number 6 guy.


bingo!

Boucher in his 3rd game. Never heard Coffey mentoned; right-handed shot ; yes. which is next to God. :wink: That, I've heard more than once.
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby Ron` on Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:42 pm

Boucher when healthy is worth more than Sydor currently. It was chip trade period and IF he stays healthy goes in the Pens favor. If he gets hurt, he eats nacho's just as well. He also can fill in or play given the circumstances. Trade value, Boucher >> Sydor at the deadline if healthy.
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby bhaw on Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:46 pm

I've discovered more differences:

Boucher is right, Sydor is lefty.
Boucher wears #43, Sydor #5
Boucher was only with the Stars for one stretch of his career, Sydor is on his third.
Boucher is currently on the Pens, Sydor is on the Stars.

There are probably some other key points I have missed.
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby Idoit40fans on Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:51 pm

bhaw wrote:I've discovered more differences:

Boucher is right, Sydor is lefty.
Boucher wears #43, Sydor #5
Boucher was only with the Stars for one stretch of his career, Sydor is on his third.
Boucher is currently on the Pens, Sydor is on the Stars.

There are probably some other key points I have missed.


Nope, thats it.
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby bhaw on Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:53 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:
bhaw wrote:I've discovered more differences:

Boucher is right, Sydor is lefty.
Boucher wears #43, Sydor #5
Boucher was only with the Stars for one stretch of his career, Sydor is on his third.
Boucher is currently on the Pens, Sydor is on the Stars.

There are probably some other key points I have missed.


Nope, thats it.


They do spell and pronounce their names drastically different.
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby 71Aj66ax87 on Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:05 pm

Boucher's first game as a Pen +1 and 6 blocked shots

Sydor's first game back with the Stars -2.

That's all I need to know.
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby Idoit40fans on Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:10 pm

bhaw wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:
bhaw wrote:I've discovered more differences:

Boucher is right, Sydor is lefty.
Boucher wears #43, Sydor #5
Boucher was only with the Stars for one stretch of his career, Sydor is on his third.
Boucher is currently on the Pens, Sydor is on the Stars.

There are probably some other key points I have missed.


Nope, thats it.


They do spell and pronounce their names drastically different.


Thats debatable.
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby BurghThing on Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:40 pm

Mongoose87 wrote:I miss Whitney almost as much as I missed the days when the refs didn't eject players for no reason and did call interference.


QFT
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby WWGRD on Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:43 pm

Third man in penalty = joke
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby Pavel Bure on Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:18 pm

Well if Yeo the PP genius would actually put one righty and one lefty on the PP and let them simply blast pucks ala Jackman/Tarnstrom back in the dark ages you might see him being more useful. Instead Yeo put Letang and Boucher on the points. How useless is that? Put Malkin back where he was and put Boucher on the other side, let them take turns winding it up. Cause Boucher can do one thing very well and that is hit the net with a one timer.
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby wondermoose on Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:48 pm

Boucher has ice presence... He's definitely an upgrade over Sydor, he just needs a little time to adjust and get his game going.
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Re: The Difference Between Boucher and Sydor...

Postby JS© on Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:53 pm

burghsportsguys wrote:
This is just idiotic the way the staff is overusing this guy. A power play specialist that can't keep the puck in, and can't take a pass....



Five syllables, O-VAH-RE-ACT-SHUN!

He bobbled one pass on a power play, it happens. Aside from that, he did nothing to hurt the team today either.

No, he wasn't Paul Coffey, but he wasn't Hans Jonsson either.

Report card grade on The Bouch = incomplete.
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