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Pens at Isles Grades

Postby Mad City Mike on Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:30 pm

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Re: Pens at Isles Grades

Postby PittPensFan on Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:39 pm

I'd say the Huh? call was the ref's explanation as to why the goal was disallowed. I think the call was correct, but the explanation was horrid.
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Re: Pens at Isles Grades

Postby Gaucho on Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:52 pm

"Suck pull" and "mercy pull", I like that. :lol:
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Re: Pens at Isles Grades

Postby DelPen on Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:35 pm

PittPensFan wrote:I'd say the Huh? call was the ref's explanation as to why the goal was disallowed. I think the call was correct, but the explanation was horrid.


Actually there were a few problems with the call. First, he never blew the whistle until the net was off. He made no indication of goal or no goal. But since he didn't make a call on the ice the review should have ONLY been to see if the puck was in the net beofre the whistle blew. You can't review the play that they decided on as knocking over a player is not reviewable.

And even if it were, he indicated it was Sid who made the contact yet the faceoff was still in the isles end. Impossible.

And here is the video review policy. Not a single one can overrule that a player pushed everyone in the net and since the ref did not waive it off and we saw the puck in the net before the post was off it whould have been a goal.

39.4 Situations Subject to Video Review - The following situations are
subject to review by the Video Goal Judge:
(i) Puck crossing the goal line.
(ii) Puck in the net prior to the goal frame being dislodged.
(iii) Puck in the net prior to, or after expiration of time at the end of the
period.
(iv) Puck directed or batted into the net by a hand or foot. With the use of
a foot/skate, was a distinct kicking motion evident? If so, the apparent
goal must be disallowed. A DISTINCT KICKING MOTION is one
which, with a pendulum motion, the player propels the puck with his
skate into the net. If the Video Goal Judge determines that it was put
into the net by an attacking player using a distinct kicking motion, it
must be ruled NO GOAL. This would also be true even if the puck,
after being kicked, deflects off any other player of either team and
then into the net. This is still NO GOAL. See also 49.2 and 67.6.
(v) Puck deflected directly into the net off an Official.
(vi) Puck struck with a high-stick, above the height of the crossbar, by an
attacking player prior to entering the goal. The determining factor is
where the puck makes contact with the stick. If the puck makes
contact with the stick below the level of the crossbar and enters the
goal, this goal shall be allowed.
(vii) To establish the correct time on the official game clock, provided the
game time is visible on the Video Goal Judge’s monitors.
(viii) The video review process shall be permitted to assist the referees in determining the legitimacy of all potential goals (e.g. to ensure they
are “good hockey goals”).
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Re: Pens at Isles Grades

Postby WWGRD on Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:41 pm

I agree with you on Letang's F. He should be scratched for a game or two or five to send a message.

Curry = A.
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Re: Pens at Isles Grades

Postby steelhammer on Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:45 am

i don't understand the logic behind the sabourin grade (other than you have made it clear in the past that you don't respect him). you said it was half his fault and half the teams fault yet you tear him down mercilessly. i thought the last goal he gave up was bad, but the other two he played about as well as one could. sabourin really only has bad games when his team hangs him out to dry (like that Caps game last year). he has single handedly stolen us some points this season and is way better than anyone wants to give him credit for.
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Re: Pens at Isles Grades

Postby penny lane on Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:48 pm

Therrien never sat Jordan Staal through his invisible time, neither should Kris Letang be a scratch. Letang, has to play and experience the mistakes, to learn from them.

Congrats to Brooks for the turnaround goal. :P
Evgeni's game against the isles reminded me of his game in Montreal after Sidney was injured. Sid, Geno, not a 2 headed monster; poetry & magic on ice. Reactions of the goalie, and couple of isles just standing still after Evgeni's goal says it all.

Pens do need to grab a lead early and hold onto it, so they know they can win games all different ways.
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Re: Pens at Isles Grades

Postby pcm on Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:06 pm

The Pens are too nice, too courteous. Ottawa '07. Detroit '08. They give their opponents too much respect. A product of Sid's personality? Need to come out like killers.
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Re: Pens at Isles Grades

Postby burghsportsguys on Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:44 pm

DelPen wrote:
PittPensFan wrote:And here is the video review policy. Not a single one can overrule that a player pushed everyone in the net and since the ref did not waive it off and we saw the puck in the net before the post was off it whould have been a goal.

...

(viii) The video review process shall be permitted to assist the referees in determining the legitimacy of all potential goals (e.g. to ensure they
are “good hockey goals”).


Looks like that one pretty well covers it.
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Re: Pens at Isles Grades

Postby Jerez on Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:06 pm

I know I'm late with this, but I disagree with the "F" on the Penalty Kill. Sure, up until the last PK it was an F, but that final PK in the second half of the second period, during the penalty on Dupuis, was great. The Pens had possession of the puck in their offensive zone a lot more than the Isles did. Not only did Malkin have a couple of great chances, but Staal was robbed with a very good save by McDonald.

I think that PK was what started to turn things around for the Pens.

So the "A" from that PK alone should have brought the grade up to at least a "D" :P
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