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What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby doublewinder on Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:05 am

Do they have the Pirates bullpen or what?
I'm gettin sick and tired/frustrated with how the Pens continually get and blow multi goal leads.

This has been a trend, going on, the entire season, and it just gets more frustrating.

1) Oct 11, 1-0 3rd period lead, OT loss
2) Oct 14, 2-0 lead, OT win
3) Oct 16, 3-0 lead, 4-3 loss
4) Oct 25, 2-0 lead in the third, SO loss
5) Nov 13, 3-0 lead, 5-4 SO win
6) Dec 3, 2-0 lead, SO loss
7) Dec 8, 3-1 lead, loss

What the eff is going on?
Why is it this team can not hold leads?
If they keep this up, they can kiss any chance of making a playoff run good bye.
I understand we have injuries, but this is concerning.
Is this team just not mentally tough?
Last year...they made it far because they played a solid defensive system, shutting down teams and maintaing leads.
What is the problem with this season?

1) The impact of no Gonchar/Whitney?
2) The loss of Hossa/Malone/Roberts/Ruutu/LaRaque/Hall?
3) Fleury injury?
4) Not as mentally tough?
5) Bad defensive system?
6) Combo?
7) Others?

I like to think if Gonchar and Whitney come back...these problems go away.
However I wonder if they really can, both come back and play at the high level we need..and if this alone is the problem.
Somehow I think they lost a lot in the offseason...and even if Fred can make a deal to get someone like Roberts back, the mental toughness, experience is gone, as is the chemistry, very troubling no doubt.
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby Easton on Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:05 am

Oh Mah God.
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby Mr. Colby on Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:06 am

today it was the fact that orpik and letang were a complete joke. orpik kept giving up odd-man breaks and turning the puck over while letang played like a 6 year old blind girl in front of our net
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby npv708 on Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:06 am

Easton wrote:Oh Mah God.


Why don't you just take the rest of the night off? you might lose it otherwise...
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby tperko on Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:06 am

SO losses are totally different IMO
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby purelebo84 on Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:06 am

Lack of mental toughness, experience, and arrogance.

They quit and get greedy every time they get up.

As soon as the Sabres made it 3-2, you KNEW we weren't gonna win that one. Same went for in NY last week.

It's just a character flaw.
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby ron_duguays_hair on Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:08 am

Mr. Colby wrote:today it was the fact that orpik and letang were a complete joke. orpik kept giving up odd-man breaks and turning the puck over while letang played like a 6 year old blind girl in front of our net



Correct
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby doublewinder on Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:09 am

How did this happen from last year's team?
More importantly, is this fixable?
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby tperko on Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:10 am

doublewinder wrote:How did this happen from last year's team?
More importantly, is this fixable?


totally fixable - BUT its a mental thing so...
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby Mr. Colby on Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:13 am

it's purely a character thing. in my opinion it's because we brought in too many guys that lack it (see fedotenko, satan). losing TK and Zigomanis was also a tough blow. that 3rd line was incredible, and was one of the main reasons for our streak we had going there. zigo is also missed for the time being. It's tough to play 9 forwards (peso played under 3 mins today, minard 7 somethin, godard 4 something)
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby tperko on Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:15 am

Mr. Colby wrote:it's purely a character thing. in my opinion it's because we brought in too many guys that lack it (see fedotenko, satan). losing TK and Zigomanis was also a tough blow. that 3rd line was incredible, and was one of the main reasons for our streak we had going there. zigo is also missed for the time being. It's tough to play 9 forwards (peso played under 3 mins today, minard 7 somethin, godard 4 something)


i took face off WINS for granted
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby SolidSnake on Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:18 am

This is one doublewinder thread I agree with.

I don't care what the team's record right now is because all these blown leads are ridiculous and in a way embarrassing. It's one thing to lose a game getting thumped 5-0 but to continually have a lead in games only for it to be taken away and yet some of them not even get a point out of it is a joke.
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby tperko on Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:19 am

SolidSnake wrote:This is one doublewinder thread I agree with.

I don't care what the team's record right now is because all these blown leads are ridiculous and in a way embarrassing. It's one thing to lose a game getting thumped 5-0 but to continually have a lead in games only for it to be taken away and yet some of them not even get a point out of it is a joke.


is it bad to expect it????
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby doublewinder on Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:19 am

Mr. Colby wrote:it's purely a character thing. in my opinion it's because we brought in too many guys that lack it (see fedotenko, satan). losing TK and Zigomanis was also a tough blow. that 3rd line was incredible, and was one of the main reasons for our streak we had going there. zigo is also missed for the time being. It's tough to play 9 forwards (peso played under 3 mins today, minard 7 somethin, godard 4 something)

When is Zigo due back..and is he more than just a faceoff guy?
Is this fixable...I mean we will be lucky to get two new forwards..and likely 3rd liners by the trade deadline.
We can't get another Hossa or a Satan/Fedo replacement.
Are those two a big part of the problem?
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby marek on Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:47 am

sometimes the issue with blowing leads (that needs fixed) is the system.

we have offensively gifted players who thrive when they are pushing forward, going to the goal and at the opponent with speed. this occurs when the game is tied or when they are behind.

When they are ahead, our offensively gifted players are asked to essentially play prevent defense.
And teams with players like the pens cannot play like minnesota, new jersey or half of the western conference.

case in point other than crosby, malkin and cooke when have you seen a penguin forward actually win a 50/50 puck? this team should not be told to hold a lead. if they are being asked to do that MT needs to be slapped silly.

that being said i didnt see that during tonights game. the pens gave up a very weak goal on a pathetic giveaway which lost the game for them... that and how could i forget, a completely ineffective powerplay.
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby Bob McKenzie on Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:49 am

I think one of the problems is the team plays harder when they are down by a goal instead of playing that way the entire game.
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:17 am

I think the biggest problem is that this isn't an NHL calibre team. It'd be a good team in the AHL, but there just isn't enough NHL caliber talent here.
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby Why So Serious? on Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:26 am

There can be only one answer:

MIKE ZIGOMANIS. COME BACK BUDDY.
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby jaysmiter on Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:56 am

Goalies use cheat codes in between the 2nd and 3rd periods. duh.
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby Matthew Monstar on Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:16 am

Therrien with another classic post game presser, He's all fired up.

"Excuses are for losers" "Players not going to the front of the net"

Somethings going on in the personnel or within the lockerroom.

Perhaps they need to sign Jesus to balance out the demons and satans in the room. :)

Our wingers are really bothering me.
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby KennyTheKangaroo on Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:32 am

There are not all that many legitimate concerns posted on LGP.com

But I think the blown issue is a serious problem. And it seems like they find a different way to blow the lead each time, too. So one single party is not really responsible.

I don't really think it is a character issue. Blaming guys like fedotenko and satan is very unfair to them. They do not wear the A's and C's. The leaders of this team...Malkin, Crosby, MT, etc. need to address this situation.
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby KG on Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:52 am

These blown losses will most likely result in the Pens getting a lower seed. Really getting silly...
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby Hawkeynut on Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:18 am

These blown losses will most likely result in the stopping of construction of our new igloo. When investors get the whiff of our team being a 1 trick pony they will back out for sure!
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby kirk on Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:29 am

purelebo84 wrote:Lack of mental toughness, experience, and arrogance.

They quit and get greedy every time they get up.

As soon as the Sabres made it 3-2, you KNEW we weren't gonna win that one. Same went for in NY last week.

It's just a character flaw.


Do you think that it might have a little more to do with personnel? On last night's roster, ask yourself this: How many players would Boston or Detroit or San Jose or even Philly want on the team: Sid and Geno, definitely. Outside of that, Staal, Orpik, and probably Letang are it. It's hard to win hockey games when 14 of 19 players on the ice for the Pens wouldn't have been on the ice for the B's, Wings, Sharks, or even Flyers. It's going to be an up and down thing, even when Whitney comes back (Whitney should help, as he'll relieve some of the breakout issues and would be a PP upgrade over Gogo).
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Re: What Gives With This Team Blowing Leads?

Postby Nizzy on Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:40 am

Letang / Oprik worst games on the year.
I'm not one to say fire someone but I think its time for a new PP coach. What has Mike Yeo done this entire year?
Satan continues to completely unimpress me game after game.

You know if you just change one letter in the title it would make it really funny.
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