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Sounds crazy but........

Postby VENOM on Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:03 pm

This may sound crazy, but I think the Pens miss Malone more at this point than they miss Hossa! Right now there is rarely someone PLANTED in front of the net on the PP! Watch the goals they get. Its usually someone skating in towards the net. There is rarely someone already there to clean up the garbage. If someone is there, they are CAN'T finish! Malone made a career year on cleaning up for Sid and Geno.
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Re: Sounds crazy but........

Postby KG on Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:05 pm

They miss both of them badly...2 big losses...It's very hard to replace those guys...

Malone had a great year last season and was a heart and soul guy. Those guys are hard to replace, no matter what a majority of the posters say about him...

Hossa..of course we miss him...
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Re: Sounds crazy but........

Postby npv708 on Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:08 pm

I think i personally miss Hossa more, because i think Feds is doing a better job at filling Malone's shoes than Satan is at filling Hossa's spot. I know they are not equal or were supposed to be even with one another, i'm just saying.
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Re: Sounds crazy but........

Postby VENOM on Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:11 pm

Satan and Dupuis are just taking up space on the roster. Sykora couldn't hit the ocean with a bazoooooooka!
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Re: Sounds crazy but........

Postby maudineormsby on Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:15 pm

npv708 wrote:I think i personally miss Hossa more, because i think Feds is doing a better job at filling Malone's shoes than Satan is at filling Hossa's spot. I know they are not equal or were supposed to be even with one another, i'm just saying.


QFT.

Feds stepped it up last week and this week, and he's been finishing Malkin's opportunities - that's all Malone ever did.
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Re: Sounds crazy but........

Postby Tico Rick on Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:15 pm

I was thinking that while watching last night's game as well. But there's no point dwelling on it; it just didn't make sense to pay him what other teams were willing to. I bet he misses playing for the Penguins though.
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Re: Sounds crazy but........

Postby KG on Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:16 pm

maudineormsby wrote:
npv708 wrote:I think i personally miss Hossa more, because i think Feds is doing a better job at filling Malone's shoes than Satan is at filling Hossa's spot. I know they are not equal or were supposed to be even with one another, i'm just saying.


QFT.

Feds stepped it up last week and this week, and he's been finishing Malkin's opportunities - that's all Malone ever did.


I agree...He has stepped up his game nicely since his benching..

Malkin/Sykora/Fedotenko is a line I would not touch right now...

Poor Sid is another story...
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Re: Sounds crazy but........

Postby pfim on Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:30 pm

I think they miss Whitney and Gonchar more than anyone else.
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Re: Sounds crazy but........

Postby DocEmrick on Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:35 pm

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Re: Sounds crazy but........

Postby bill from turtle creek on Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:43 pm

maudineormsby wrote:
Feds stepped it up last week and this week, and he's been finishing Malkin's opportunities - that's all Malone ever did.


I'll call BS on that one. Malone played the power play very effectively in front of the net, killed penalties, played the body, and also by the way finished Malkin's opportunities. He also developed into a very proficient defensive player. The gap between Malone and Fedotenko is very wide indeed, which is why their contracts are so different.
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Re: Sounds crazy but........

Postby Bob McKenzie on Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:49 pm

bill from turtle creek wrote:
maudineormsby wrote:which is why their contracts are so different.


And also because Malone took a puck in the face from Hal Gill and the announcers sured up an extra 2 million a year for Malone over all of that.
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Re: Sounds crazy but........

Postby kirk on Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:20 pm

Sykora is a nice complimentary guy on a good scoring line where he isn't asked to do a lot defensively and in the corners. Stick him out there with Sid and Geno, and he looks like the player from his A-line days. Stick him out there with Geno and any of the collection of glorified third and fourth line LW's on the Pens, and he's being asked to be Malkin's primary support. What the Pens need is a LEGIT second/third line tweener with Geno and Sykora. And, they don't have that.

In theory, Feds was supposed to be a replacement for Malone, but he's lacking in a few critical ways . . . he's not as good in the corners or in going to the net, he's worse defensively than Sykora, he never beats anyone, and he doesn't help to create or take advantage of space. He'll have his good games, but he's not enough in terms of the support needed from the LW when your RW is Sykora.

As for Hossa, it didn't matter who the LW was when it was Sid and Hossa. But, with Satan, it's the same issue as Sykora. With Satan on his right side, Sid needs a legit second/third line tweener (on a good team . . . think a Clowe or a Pavelski), and the Pens just don't have that.

Getting back Whitney and Gonch should help, because they can help make up for what's lacking on the LW in terms of transition. But, this issue-- no LW's for a scoring line-- will be the Pens playoff problem, even when everyone gets healthy.
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Re: Sounds crazy but........

Postby kirk on Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:21 pm

pfim wrote:I think they miss Whitney and Gonchar more than anyone else.


Bingo!!!
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Re: Sounds crazy but........

Postby npv708 on Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:25 pm

pfim wrote:I think they miss Whitney and Gonchar more than anyone else.


even more than Mario?
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Re: Sounds crazy but........

Postby kirk on Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:27 pm

npv708 wrote:
pfim wrote:I think they miss Whitney and Gonchar more than anyone else.


even more than Mario?


Can we bring Mario back as a PP specialist only. Guys like Pesonen and Goddard only play 2-5 minutes. So, dress Mario just for the PP to sit in his old spot. All I want for Christmas is to see a Pens PP again that utilizes all of the offensive zone . . . and, of course, I want a Red Rider BB Gun.
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Re: Sounds crazy but........

Postby bill from turtle creek on Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:28 pm

Bob McKenzie wrote:
bill from turtle creek wrote:
maudineormsby wrote:which is why their contracts are so different.


And also because Malone took a puck in the face from Hal Gill and the announcers sured up an extra 2 million a year for Malone over all of that.


Meh. Malone's overpaid at Tampa Bay, but even if they didn't pay him as much as they did, he'd have gotten nearly that amount from a number of other teams, though probably not the length of contract. Getting publicity for the puck-in-the-face helped, but that was just icing on the cake. For one season, at least, Malone basically did it all. Not to say it would have turned out that way this year, but to say Fedotenko is even close to replacing him is nonsense.
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Re: Sounds crazy but........

Postby puckeye on Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:32 pm

I like Feds but Malone brought a physical presence to the top 6 role that hasn't been replaced
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Re: Sounds crazy but........

Postby Mongoose87 on Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:39 pm

kirk wrote:
npv708 wrote:
pfim wrote:I think they miss Whitney and Gonchar more than anyone else.


even more than Mario?


Can we bring Mario back as a PP specialist only. Guys like Pesonen and Goddard only play 2-5 minutes. So, dress Mario just for the PP to sit in his old spot. All I want for Christmas is to see a Pens PP again that utilizes all of the offensive zone . . . and, of course, I want a Red Rider BB Gun.


I have no sadder memory than the time, between Mario, Kovy and Tricky Dick, we had a PP that converted something like 50% of the time, and even though Mario quit halfway through the year, he was one of the top scorers right down the stretch.
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Re: Sounds crazy but........

Postby CathUZ on Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:44 pm

Malone and Ruutu were the only pens I was seriously upset about loosing. Ryan wanted to stay and take slightly less money and the pens were not interested. Remember this article.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... rss&feed=8

However, Malone said "of course" he had in his mind a below-market value salary that would have kept him in Pittsburgh. The Penguins' offers, he said, never approached that number.


"To me, that's what I think," Malone said yesterday. "Being from (Pittsburgh), you have a lot of pride pulling that jersey on. To not get a serious offer was kind of weird. I just figured they had other plans. It was easier to move on then than if something was closer ... to happening."


contrary to popular thought guys like Malone are not a dime a dozen. He probably would have taken something like Orpik money 3.75 to stay here, they should have tried to get his contract done earlier. Malone compared to Feds IMO better skill set, more heart, leadership (wore an A), and ALOT more grit. I think letting Malone go was a mistake.
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Re: Sounds crazy but........

Postby kirk on Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:44 pm

Mongoose87 wrote:I have no sadder memory than the time, between Mario, Kovy and Tricky Dick, we had a PP that converted something like 50% of the time, and even though Mario quit halfway through the year, he was one of the top scorers right down the stretch.


I know . . . he wouldn't even have to skate. Just have him play the PP and sit near the blueline on the breakout and then slide down to his circle. That's it. Just to see the Pens open up the entire offensive zone . . . like the old days that I too remember.
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Re: Sounds crazy but........

Postby letsgopens87 on Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:46 pm

CathUZ wrote:Malone and Ruutu were the only pens I was seriously upset about loosing. Ryan wanted to stay and take slightly less money and the pens were not interested. Remember this article.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... rss&feed=8

However, Malone said "of course" he had in his mind a below-market value salary that would have kept him in Pittsburgh. The Penguins' offers, he said, never approached that number.


"To me, that's what I think," Malone said yesterday. "Being from (Pittsburgh), you have a lot of pride pulling that jersey on. To not get a serious offer was kind of weird. I just figured they had other plans. It was easier to move on then than if something was closer ... to happening."


contrary to popular thought guys like Malone are not a dime a dozen. He probably would have taken something like Orpik money 3.75 to stay here, they should have tried to get his contract done earlier. Malone compared to Feds IMO better skill set, more heart, leadership (wore an A), and ALOT more grit. I think letting Malone go was a mistake.


I thought the Pens did try to sign him earlier in the year, but he decided he wanted to wait. He knew he was going to get a big payday from some team. Maybe he would have taken 1 mil/yr less to stay here, MAYBE. Malone wanted his payday (not that there's anything wrong with that).
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