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good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby conforto45 on Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:35 pm

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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby eastonpensfan on Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:42 pm

HAHAHA!!!! I thought you said GOOD article from Mark Madden... o wait... it actually was!
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby columbia on Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:43 pm

IMHO, his radio show is obnoxiously unlistenable, but he DOES know his hockey more than anyone else in PGH mainstream press.
Staal is a luxury for a team with barely 3 quality scoring wingers.
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby jjwags on Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:43 pm

I agree
wake up RS!!
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby offsides on Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:44 pm

Sounds like Mark reads lgp!!
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby bhaw on Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:48 pm

offsides wrote:Sounds like Mark reads lgp!!


I started reading then stopped when I realized it was the exact same thing that's been posted 50 or so times here.
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby jmh470 on Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:52 pm

The timing of Staal's development is poor for the Pens. He will become an absolute beast of a player, but probably won't show it consistently for another 4-5 years. The Pens need a few quality wingers now and for the next 5 seasons, while Staal's value likely will be low (relative to what he will become) during that same stretch.
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby Kovy27 on Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:06 pm

Mark Madden. Good article holmes.
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby penny lane on Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:08 pm

columbia wrote:IMHO, his radio show is obnoxiously unlistenable, but he DOES know his hockey more than anyone else in PGH mainstream press.
Staal is a luxury for a team with barely 3 quality scoring wingers.


He has been clutch in the past 2 years post-season. IF the pens could get more points from him now, would help to rationalize why you don't deal him.
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby Bathgate on Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:10 pm

jmh470 wrote:The timing of Staal's development is poor for the Pens. He will become an absolute beast of a player, but probably won't show it consistently for another 4-5 years. The Pens need a few quality wingers now and for the next 5 seasons, while Staal's value likely will be low (relative to what he will become) during that same stretch.


Madden is right on, but they need to be careful with trading Staal. What they get in return must be based on what he is likely to become, not what he is now. Maybe they can get a natural winger that is just like Staal in the sense of being very young and not yet showing his true potential. That makes it a gamble on both sides, but it is still a gamble to KEEP Staal, because he may NOT ever become that beast.
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby meecrofilm on Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:20 pm

I'd hit up Staal, Gogo, and a 2nd for Brad Boyes. But I don't think that one'll happen.
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby purelebo84 on Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:31 pm

meecrofilm wrote:I'd hit up Staal, Gogo, and a 2nd for Brad Boyes. But I don't think that one'll happen.

Or,

Staal and a 2nd for Brad Boyes.
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby KG on Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:36 pm

Good article...Although I'd take 4 first round picks for Staal and run to the hills...
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby purelebo84 on Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:39 pm

KG wrote:Good article...Although I'd take 4 first round picks for Staal and run to the hills...

Yeah, but this team is built to win now, and those picks won't help us.
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby KG on Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:42 pm

purelebo84 wrote:
KG wrote:Good article...Although I'd take 4 first round picks for Staal and run to the hills...

Yeah, but this team is built to win now, and those picks won't help us.


They could always move a pick or two of those in a deal for a now player...
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby superconan on Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:45 pm

purelebo84 wrote:
KG wrote:Good article...Although I'd take 4 first round picks for Staal and run to the hills...

Yeah, but this team is built to win now, and those picks won't help us.


The four picks could be used to help acquire whatever is needed now. At the end of the day the Pens could keep there own picks for the next four years.
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby awsumpens on Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:52 pm

I was discussing a lot of the same points he brings up in that article with other Pens fans at my son's hockey game last night. JS is one of my favorite Pens but the writing is on the wall, we need scoring wingers.

I imagine if Mark Madden and the lgp braintrust has figured this out, then so has RS. Let's hope he gets something done so we can all watch them play well into June this year too!
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby sina220 on Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:11 pm

superconan wrote:
purelebo84 wrote:
KG wrote:Good article...Although I'd take 4 first round picks for Staal and run to the hills...

Yeah, but this team is built to win now, and those picks won't help us.


The four picks could be used to help acquire whatever is needed now. At the end of the day the Pens could keep there own picks for the next four years.



Agreed.

I'd gladly take the compensation for an offer sheet to Staal, but assuming Staal is staying, there's really only only one option I see moving forward that is worthwhile...

IMO The only legitimate LONG-TERM solution to the team's winger problem is to draft or aquire at least one highly talented young forward who could play here for 3 years on an entry deal. We need at least 1 entry level contract in the top 4 wingers for there to be any chance at filling in the other 3 wings with any quality once Malkin and Staal's new contracts begin. It may take a year or 2 for the player to develop, but we must be proactive and realize it would be better to set these wheels in motion now, rather than constantly try and scrap in free agency every summer looking for the players most poised for resurrection :roll: . Once the entry deal is over we still may not even be able to resign said player, but it will be almost impossible to have both Malkin and Crosby play with decent talent if at least one of their wingers isn't being paid 875k base salary, and producing for that 875k as well.

You could do this by trading up in the draft which will cost us about the same as trying to trade for an already rostered NHL player (Our 1st rounder + rostered player + prospect), by taking compensation for an offer sheet for Staal, or trading Staal. Either way, Shero needs to realize if he ever wants any continuity to develop between Crosby and a winger he needs to get someone young and capable in here ASAP.
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby The Snapshot on Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:12 pm

I wanted them to draft Kessel in the first place for just this reason. I've grown to like Staal, but he is definitely not capable of helping Sid or Geno at Wing. The only point I will make to contradict myself, is that when Staal has Kennedy and Cooke on his wings they were a great third line - regardless of whether they went against the 1st or 4th line on the opposing team. Come playoffs this could be a huge advantage.

Kessel is the sniper that the team needed though. His speed and shot are as good as any in the league and he is using his linemates and playing hard at both ends now.
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby Noise on Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:17 pm

purelebo84 wrote:
KG wrote:Good article...Although I'd take 4 first round picks for Staal and run to the hills...

Yeah, but this team is built to win now, and those picks won't help us.


Those picks would too help us. Having 4 extra 1sts to deal at the deadline certainly counts for something. And having the free cap space to sign a winger counts for something.

Not that Staal would be signed for enough to get that compensation.

Pens are built to win in the next 4-5 years or so. It's not a win now thing.
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby columbia on Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:17 pm

It's interesting how the opinion on this board has slowly shifted over the last month, re: Staal.
You have to wonder what RS is planning/scheming, but a deal involving Staal is seeming more and more likely. He's the best (only?) shot for gaining a scoring winger, while maintaining the deep talent at the blue line.

EDIT: Notice how the "we don't need another winger" crowd has just about disappeared?
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby KG on Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:20 pm

I am not sure what the compensation for RFA offer sheets is anymore, I know it has been reduced...4 first round picks would mean someone is giving Staal a MONSTER offer sheet...
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby KG on Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:24 pm

I also think that is hindsight on the Kessel pick. It's not like Kessel went #3 in the draft. He went 5th overall. Kessel had a lot of question marks about him at the draft (background etc.) I don't blame Shero for not picking Kessel...I blame Staal for not being able to be a goal scoring winger!
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby AlexPKeaton on Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:24 pm

What is this "win now" crap? Sid, Malkin, and Fluery are the 3 best players on the Pens, all signed long term, and all young. Further more, we have Whitney and Orpik locked up. We are built to win now or 5 years from now imo. We may not like it, but 4 first round picks might be the best thing that can happen to this team long term.
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Re: good article from Mark Madden on Pens wing situation

Postby joker10277 on Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:25 pm

purelebo84 wrote:
meecrofilm wrote:I'd hit up Staal, Gogo, and a 2nd for Brad Boyes. But I don't think that one'll happen.

Or,

Staal and a 2nd for Brad Boyes.


I think you guys are underestimating the value staal has to a team that doesn't have sid and geno as their top centers. Staal alone should bring back Boyes plus Picks or players. Remember Boyes was traded for Wideman.
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