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TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby thehockeyguru on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:07 pm

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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby Pens4Life on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:12 pm

you beat me to it with a link.. Brookie no.1 hm.. nice to see that
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby beerman on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:13 pm

Sykie's in the bottom 25
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby brwi on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:15 pm

Not surprised to see Sykora in the bottom 25, but where is Satan?

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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby Idoit40fans on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:16 pm

A lot of those bottom ones I disagree with, I do find it funny that Satan's is better than Sykora in a stat that measures hits/blocked shots/ets... and yet Satan is more of a soft floater?
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby Henry Hank on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:16 pm

I don't think it's that surprising. He's number three in the league in hits and in the top 20 in shots blocked. No one with as many hits as him comes close in blocked shots.

Sykora's #22 in the bottom 25. Afinogenov, who a lot of people wanted to get, is third worst. Sykora at least puts in goals, even if a disproportionate amount are on the PP. Is Afinogenov the most worthless player in the league this season?
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby penny lane on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:17 pm

brwi wrote: where is Satan?



everywhere! 8-)


Good to see Reliable Rob on this list also.
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby shmenguin on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:21 pm

orpik seems like a team guy too. factor that in, and he oozes intangibles. it's a shame his tangibles can't really keep up.
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby wallflower on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:21 pm

It's definitely interesting. I'd like to know what the formula looks like, not that I'd necessarily understand it if I saw it. :lol:

I would've thought Scuderi would be higher on the list but it's nice to see a few Penguins in the "top 75."
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby Draftnik on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:22 pm

Agree 100% HH, Max Afinogenov - the most useless player in the NHL. Can't score and if he isn't scoring he is worthless from all other aspects. :lol:

I'm sure he is a terror on the PS/2 though.
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby Idoit40fans on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:24 pm

Afinogenov was playing poorly for a while, but hasn't been played at all lately. I think he can still be an effective player, he just needs a change of scenery, and he'll get it soon.
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby Draftnik on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:28 pm

Afinogenov needs a change of scenery to the friendly confines of the KHL ala Morozov.
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby brwi on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:31 pm

Draftnik wrote:Afinogenov needs a change of scenery to the friendly confines of the KHL ala Morozov.


Maybe on his way out of the country he can chime in with "Sid is overrated, all Russians much better."

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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby Defence21 on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:32 pm

wallflower wrote:It's definitely interesting. I'd like to know what the formula looks like, not that I'd necessarily understand it if I saw it. :lol:

I would've thought Scuderi would be higher on the list but it's nice to see a few Penguins in the "top 75."

Well, interestingly, an Oilers blog had something similar yesterday. The formula may be somewhat the same...

http://communities.canada.com/edmontonj ... -puck.aspx

Orpik happens to be tops on both lists, though the players stray from there..
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby PensBeerGeek on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:35 pm

Maybe the methodology could stand to be refined a bit, but it's definitely a good idea; numbers to show the people who point to points as the only possible contribution that a player can make.
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby Jerez on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:35 pm

penny lane wrote:
Good to see Reliable Rob on this list also.


And Cookie at number 11 :D
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby thehockeyguru on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:38 pm

Eaton has a ton of blocked shot, I guess his giveaways negate most of those.
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby littlemoonboot on Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:00 pm

That's my Candy. Sykora makes up for his with goals and Geno love. :)
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby pfim on Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:05 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:Eaton has a ton of blocked shot, I guess his giveaways negate most of those.


He only has 9 giveaways on the season. Not many hits though.
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby Henry Hank on Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:05 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:Eaton has a ton of blocked shot, I guess his giveaways negate most of those.


Eaton's giveaway rate is better than Scuderi's or Orpik's. Actually, it's better than any defenseman's on the team. It's probably more that he doesn't have many hits, and while his BS rate is high (only slightly lower than Scuderi's) he's played 11 less games.

I think the one flaw of this list is that it appears to go by raw data rather than rates. Guys that have missed time get punished for it, although I guess staying healthy or staying in the lineup can be considered an intangible itself.
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby Noise on Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:08 pm

Zanon's a d-man that I'd like RS to give a look if they lose Scuderi and Gill. The guy blocks a lot of shots and doesn't seem to shy away from the physical stuff.
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby The Snapshot on Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:02 pm

How can we have so many guys in the top 75 of their intangibles list and yet be a team that lacks grit?
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby The Snapshot on Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:04 pm

pfim wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:Eaton has a ton of blocked shot, I guess his giveaways negate most of those.


He only has 9 giveaways on the season. Not many hits though.


How they are measuring giveaways, I don't know, but Eaton has had games where he had that many in one night.
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby netwolf on Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:34 pm

Draftnik wrote:Agree 100% HH, Max Afinogenov - the most useless player in the NHL. Can't score and if he isn't scoring he is worthless from all other aspects. :lol:

I'm sure he is a terror on the PS/2 though.

Get with the times, dude. Your terminology is outdated. It should be PS3 or Xbox 360, which for brevity's sake could be abbreviated as 360. ;)
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Re: TSN Measuring the Intangibles Orpik #1

Postby the HockeyGod on Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:59 pm

I see the most talented young player in the NHL (if you happen to be both Russian and not wearing a Penguin sweater) at #13 on the Bottom 25 list.
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