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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs. Panthers

Postby bhaw on Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:00 am

winger wrote:Johnson's start was related to his better record against the the Panthers than Fleury.


Which I also think is dumb. By that logic, if BJ started the next 5 games and lost, he'd still be better against FLA than Fleury.

90% of the time, I'd start BJ against a terrible team like the Panthers too. In hindsight, I think HCDB should have just started Fleury to help the team focus and just go all out for a W on a relatively bad road trip.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs. Panthers

Postby NebraskaNic on Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:00 am

bhaw wrote:
Froggy wrote:
bhaw wrote:You'd think after struggling with these SE teams, HCDB would show some killer instinct and start MAF to show the team they need to play all out. I know Johnson needs his starts, but when you have a stretch of bad games versus terrible teams, you have to throw your best line up in there and say "have at it, you can rest later."

maybe johnson's start was dad trip related



Is that relevant when his dad is Bob Johnson?

End of the day, the dad's trip is a nice thing they do. Shouldn't interfere with coaching decisions, IMO.



Not THAT Bob Johnson.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs. Panthers

Postby pens#1 on Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:03 am

bhaw wrote:You'd think after struggling with these SE teams, HCDB would show some killer instinct and start MAF to show the team they need to play all out. I know Johnson needs his starts, but when you have a stretch of bad games versus terrible teams, you have to throw your best line up in there and say "have at it, you can rest later."



BJ played because of the Father Trip- cant blame DB for bring a good guy
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs. Panthers

Postby bhaw on Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:05 am

NebraskaNic wrote:
bhaw wrote:
Froggy wrote:
bhaw wrote:You'd think after struggling with these SE teams, HCDB would show some killer instinct and start MAF to show the team they need to play all out. I know Johnson needs his starts, but when you have a stretch of bad games versus terrible teams, you have to throw your best line up in there and say "have at it, you can rest later."

maybe johnson's start was dad trip related



Is that relevant when his dad is Bob Johnson?

End of the day, the dad's trip is a nice thing they do. Shouldn't interfere with coaching decisions, IMO.



Not THAT Bob Johnson.


I know that. But his dad was a professional NHL goalie. I think his dad, more than any other dad there, would understand DB saying he has to start MAF.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs. Panthers

Postby NebraskaNic on Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:06 am

bhaw wrote:
NebraskaNic wrote:
bhaw wrote:
Froggy wrote:
bhaw wrote:You'd think after struggling with these SE teams, HCDB would show some killer instinct and start MAF to show the team they need to play all out. I know Johnson needs his starts, but when you have a stretch of bad games versus terrible teams, you have to throw your best line up in there and say "have at it, you can rest later."

maybe johnson's start was dad trip related



Is that relevant when his dad is Bob Johnson?

End of the day, the dad's trip is a nice thing they do. Shouldn't interfere with coaching decisions, IMO.



Not THAT Bob Johnson.


I know that. But his dad was a professional NHL goalie. I think his dad, more than any other dad there, would understand DB saying he has to start MAF.



Okay, now I follow.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs. Panthers

Postby bhaw on Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:06 am

pens#1 wrote:
bhaw wrote:You'd think after struggling with these SE teams, HCDB would show some killer instinct and start MAF to show the team they need to play all out. I know Johnson needs his starts, but when you have a stretch of bad games versus terrible teams, you have to throw your best line up in there and say "have at it, you can rest later."



BJ played because of the Father Trip- cant blame DB for bring a good guy


Yes you can. His job is to win. Then he has a bunch of other job responsibilities. "Being a good guy" is not required by anyone.

Again, I'm using hindsight, and I understand why he did it. I would just have preferred they said "Eff this, let's win one here and take something away from this miserable road trip."
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs. Panthers

Postby pens#1 on Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:07 am

bhaw- i really think your wrong on this one. At the end of the day the Pens should be able to score more than 3 against a team that hast made the playoffs in 10+ years. Playing a guy with his dad there will go a long way, its not one of those things you will see in the W L column
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs. Panthers

Postby bhaw on Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:10 am

pens#1 wrote:bhaw- i really think your wrong on this one. At the end of the day the Pens should be able to score more than 3 against a team that hast made the playoffs in 10+ years. Playing a guy with his dad there will go a long way, its not one of those things you will see in the W L column


Go a long way retaining a goalie they probably won't want or need after this year?

I'm not super pissed about the decision or anything. But the team has played poorly all year in front of BJ. BJ has played sub-par all year. Pens have been struggling against these teams. By starting MAF, you are basically grabbing the whole team and shaking them. When the whole team has been coasting this trip, starting BJ seems to say "let's just ride this out and whatever happens happens."

Was Caroline part of the dad's trip? I honestly don't know.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs. Panthers

Postby BurghThing on Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:12 am

bhaw wrote:
pens#1 wrote:bhaw- i really think your wrong on this one. At the end of the day the Pens should be able to score more than 3 against a team that hast made the playoffs in 10+ years. Playing a guy with his dad there will go a long way, its not one of those things you will see in the W L column


Go a long way retaining a goalie they probably won't want or need after this year?

I'm not super pissed about the decision or anything. But the team has played poorly all year in front of BJ. BJ has played sub-par all year. Pens have been struggling against these teams. By starting MAF, you are basically grabbing the whole team and shaking them. When the whole team has been coasting this trip, starting BJ seems to say "let's just ride this out and whatever happens happens."

Was Caroline part of the dad's trip? I honestly don't know.


No it wasn't, they just stunk on their own there.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs. Panthers

Postby pens#1 on Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:20 am

bhaw wrote:
pens#1 wrote:bhaw- i really think your wrong on this one. At the end of the day the Pens should be able to score more than 3 against a team that hast made the playoffs in 10+ years. Playing a guy with his dad there will go a long way, its not one of those things you will see in the W L column


Go a long way retaining a goalie they probably won't want or need after this year?

I'm not super pissed about the decision or anything. But the team has played poorly all year in front of BJ. BJ has played sub-par all year. Pens have been struggling against these teams. By starting MAF, you are basically grabbing the whole team and shaking them. When the whole team has been coasting this trip, starting BJ seems to say "let's just ride this out and whatever happens happens."

Was Caroline part of the dad's trip? I honestly don't know.


he may be gone after this year- im saying it will go along way for the next 60+ games. Its good to have a back up thats into it, also the Pens need 10 - 12 more wins out of him. i guess i think the Pens should have rallied around DB's decision to start BJ because of the trip. Many Pens didnt- last Saturday i was upset that DB started him with the amount of time off the Pens have had
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs. Panthers

Postby winger on Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:27 am

I don't know.. I'm not standing up for him too much but his sub par play may be a reflection of the sub par performance of the other 22 guys that can't seem to buy a goal and field paper thin defense way too many times. Just seems like a vicious circle going on the last few games. Confidence can be inspiring on both sides of the mask.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs. Panthers

Postby shmenguin on Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:42 am

i hate watching johnson play right now. he looks more like a goalie from the 80's than i've seen since...well...the 80's.

if playing macentyre and johnson is a requirement, then these dad trips need to stop
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs. Panthers

Postby thepittman on Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:33 am

This happens every season, not surprised it happened again.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs. Panthers

Postby tfrizz on Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:05 am

Froggy wrote:
bhaw wrote:You'd think after struggling with these SE teams, HCDB would show some killer instinct and start MAF to show the team they need to play all out. I know Johnson needs his starts, but when you have a stretch of bad games versus terrible teams, you have to throw your best line up in there and say "have at it, you can rest later."

maybe johnson's start was dad trip related


Definitely. It's also why MacIntyre played against the Lightning.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs. Panthers

Postby sniper on Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:58 am

The U wrote:The last 2 games, the team with the better PP won. Some year we'll address it.


They are going back to throwing the puck around out at the point and not attempting to set up anything down low on the power play. It's the same problem they had last year. I think the reason for this is Neal is remaining stationary down by the right side of the net. He needs to roam around in the slot and make the pk collapse toward him like he was doing earlier in the season.
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