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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby pens#1 on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:25 pm

well Michalek in Friday, Engelland out?
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby shmenguin on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:25 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:Lol how can anyone say that was clean? Jesus


it was a dirty shot to engelland's forearm by the hawk. there's not a lot of padding there. engelland's elbow is taking the IMPACT test now
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby mikey287 on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:26 pm

GDR wrote:Versus absolutely hates the Penguins. Loaded with guys with beefs with the franchise.


What?
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby shmenguin on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:27 pm

as far as the suspension goes, shanahan has no problem taking action on our players. even though other guys in the league would get nothing or a fine, i expect engelland to get at least a game
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby thepittman on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:27 pm

Malkin is in beastmode
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby DropEmJayBird on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:27 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:Lol how can anyone say that was clean? Jesus


at the very least it's a charge against a guy pretty much already being checked.

He made contact with the head - if it's not the principle point of contact - it was close enough.. if they would just make it a black/white issue - it's an easy call to suspend him just as it should be, instead people will see what they want to see.

Personally I think his skate being taken out earlier in the game as he went into the boards was fairly dangerous as well, and I think he put this hit on in retaliation to that.
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby DropEmJayBird on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:28 pm

Shannahan should try to crossover and suspend Harrison for the Engo hit... I bet the NFL would go for it.
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby sniper on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:29 pm

That replay versus showed over and over didn't show anything but Engellands back. You can't tell from that replay where the initial contact was made. You see the chicago's player head go back and assume it was hit first, but from that replay you can't actually see what was hit first. Why didn't they show the last replay just before they went back to live action in the game? I thought that was the best view.
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby GDR on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:30 pm

mikey287 wrote:
GDR wrote:Versus absolutely hates the Penguins. Loaded with guys with beefs with the franchise.


What?


Edzo's exit was acrimonious and him/Pierre bring it up every game they work together; Keith Jones is the color guy on Flyer broadcasts, and Emrick worked for the Flyers and Devils. The Engelland hit was not good but they're acting like it was Marty McSorley and never addressed the dirty shot Engelland took the shift before that.
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby shmenguin on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:30 pm

sniper wrote:That replay versus showed over and over didn't show anything but Engellands back. You can't tell from that replay where the initial contact was made. You see the chicago's player head go back and assume it was hit first, but from that replay you can't actually see what was hit first. Why didn't they show the last replay just before they went back to live action in the game? I thought that was the best view.


the 2 replays they showed right after it happened were better. i think they have ROOT sports interns doing the intermission production
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby shmenguin on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:33 pm

i didn't like the trip on engelland right before his hit, but he didn't say a word (nor did anyone else) to the ref as he skated right by him when the whistle blew a few seconds later.if it was exceedingly dirty, someone will always chirp to the officials afterward
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby npv708 on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:33 pm

shmenguin wrote:
sniper wrote:That replay versus showed over and over didn't show anything but Engellands back. You can't tell from that replay where the initial contact was made. You see the chicago's player head go back and assume it was hit first, but from that replay you can't actually see what was hit first. Why didn't they show the last replay just before they went back to live action in the game? I thought that was the best view.


the 2 replays they showed right after it happened were better. i think they have ROOT sports interns doing the intermission production


Well agree to disagree. I'm not going to sit here and say it wasn't a borderline hit, but I will debate that I have not seen a good enough view to say that he definitively left his feet before contact and that the head was the principal point of contact.

I am sure that either way, we'll get a video explanation from Shanahan, so it might add some clarity for both of us.
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby shmenguin on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:36 pm

npv708 wrote:Well agree to disagree. I'm not going to sit here and say it wasn't a borderline hit, but I will debate that I have not seen a good enough view to say that he definitively left his feet before contact and that the head was the principal point of contact.

I am sure that either way, we'll get a video explanation from Shanahan, so it might add some clarity for both of us.


dude...how is clarity still not within your grasp? and why in god's name would shanahan be some sort of oracle here?
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby It'sagreatdayforhockey! on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:36 pm

shmenguin wrote:
sniper wrote:That replay versus showed over and over didn't show anything but Engellands back. You can't tell from that replay where the initial contact was made. You see the chicago's player head go back and assume it was hit first, but from that replay you can't actually see what was hit first. Why didn't they show the last replay just before they went back to live action in the game? I thought that was the best view.


the 2 replays they showed right after it happened were better. i think they have ROOT sports interns doing the intermission production



I think its obvious he left his feet. But I'm not so sure about the point of contact being the head, it looks to me more like shoulder/chest. It's a cheap shot since the guy is tied up by another player, but i'm not sure its any more dirty than taking someones skate out from under them as they go into the boards. Sadly, much like other injuries, Crosby has shown us how big of an affect that can have.
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby shmenguin on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:37 pm

i quit on this one
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby ExPatriatePen on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:37 pm

he was off the ice like rudolph on xmas eve. I'm surprised he didn't have to file a flight plan
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby Doogs on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:37 pm

As much as I hate Steigy, the chip on the shoulder of Jones, Edzo have against the Pens is sick. Who is the third hater. And please tell me that Pierre who knows EVERYTHING about hockey realizes that HCDB about lowered the boom on him during his in game interview, then he proceeded to talk about Neals drop pass to Hossa.
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby Gaucho on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:37 pm

LET'S GO PENS!!!
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby shafnutz05 on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:37 pm

shmenguin wrote:i quit on this one
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby sniper on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:38 pm

no Staal out to start PK.... not good.
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby shafnutz05 on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:38 pm

Gaucho wrote:LET'S GO PENS!!!
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby shmenguin on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:38 pm

sniper wrote:no Staal out to start PK.... not good.
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby sniper on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:38 pm

at least he is on the bench.
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby GDR on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:39 pm

Staal taking the face-off here.
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Re: Official GDT: Blackhawks vs. Penguins 12/20/2011 -Incep

Postby Froggy on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:40 pm

shmenguin wrote:i quit on this one

you should just change your screen name to shmengelland
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