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Re: The draft

Postby steelhammer on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:26 am

Pens with some serious reaches on these goalie picks. Murray was once a very highly touted prospect but had a pretty bad year. Never even heard of the other guy. How do we pass on Makarov twice?!?
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Re: The draft

Postby farnham16 on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:29 am

steelhammer wrote:Pens with some serious reaches on these goalie picks. Murray was once a very highly touted prospect but had a pretty bad year. Never even heard of the other guy. How do we pass on Makarov twice?!?


Jesse said the Pens getting Murray where they did was a steal. That he should have been taken way before.
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Re: The draft

Postby pens2005 on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:29 am

steelhammer wrote:Pens with some serious reaches on these goalie picks. Murray was once a very highly touted prospect but had a pretty bad year. Never even heard of the other guy. How do we pass on Makarov twice?!?


Maybe because he sucks?
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Re: The draft

Postby canaan on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:31 am

passing on athanasiou saddens me.
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Re: The draft

Postby steelhammer on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:33 am

pens2005 wrote:
steelhammer wrote:Pens with some serious reaches on these goalie picks. Murray was once a very highly touted prospect but had a pretty bad year. Never even heard of the other guy. How do we pass on Makarov twice?!?


Maybe because he sucks?


He looked pretty good in the WJC. Granted, it's no BCHL like the other goalie.
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Re: The draft

Postby mikey287 on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:33 am

Nizzy wrote:
mikey287 wrote:This is just not understanding how things work really, with all due respect...

a) the "rankings" you see may look nothing like (and generally look nothing like) the rankings each team has individually...so throwing "this guy was 17th, but this guy was 10th and we could have traded down here if..." is all bologna unless you have some serious, serious sources with every team in the league.

b) It's pretty clear we don't have a Swedish or Finnish scout. Look at our draft record. You think we're so overly familiar with Teravainen or Forsberg there? This isn't a video game. No one goes around passing around a sheet that says: Forsberg: Acc. 83, Agi. 79, Spd. 85 ... Ovr. 81, Pot B+; Teravainen: Acc. 89....etc. You have an unexpected pick, way, way above your projected spot. If you're investing a major asset (major!) into something, you're sinking it in right off the hop. It's a sunken cost right off the podium. If you get a bunch of looks from your North American scouts that go, "well, we think..." "well, I saw him once at the WJCs..." "well, I've heard..." "He could be...uh..." you can't make that pick. Pouliot was attached to Joe Morrow's hip this year. We should know him like the back of our hand. Olli Maatta is Scott Harrington, we should know him like the back of our hand. Our scouting staff is neither imaginative nor particularly bright as far as I'm concerned...but let's be realistic here. You can't just start throwing these indictments around unless you have some knowledge of the big picture of how things work on the inside.



sure but when you have a whole TSN staff with different hockey resumes and X amount of total hockey knowledge years combined saying Forsberg is the number 3 overall talent in the draft, you have him at 8, you forward depth isnt as strong as it should be, and you draft a position that is your strength already....

its a bad pick.

Forsberg could be a bust, Pouliot could be the next S.Neidermayer. However it wasn't B.P.A. and I think at the time it was a bad pick.

Shero said it had nothing to do with Pouliot being there or not. Heck even the 6'3 russian for Geno to have a winger and neal to crosby would have been nice... ugh.. just dont know.

well at least the staal trade looks decent going forward.


No offense, but bingo at the bolded. You want your GM to be influenced by a bunch of TV guys (regardless of background? (which by the way is Bob McKenzie who is not a scout, Craig Button a terrible GM and Pierre McGuire who only had spot duty as a coach in the league). You say "BPA" because that's what the TV told you...that Forsberg was BPA...for Pittsburgh, maybe Pouliot was #4 on their board and they feel they got BPA. Why do you think teams "reach" for players...just for the **** of it? Look at Hampus Lindholm..."durrr, why didn't they trade down, [TV guy] said that he should go at 18, but they picked him at <18 *drool*" It's just silly sentiment...really...it really is...
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Re: The draft

Postby Gaucho on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:39 am

*snicker*
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Re: The draft

Postby penny lane on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:40 am

Kevin Paul Dupont ‏@GlobeKPD
Four months later, Nash still w/CBJ. The gift that keeps on hurting

funny!
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Re: The draft

Postby columbia on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:41 am

Granted, Shero did contribute to the record with two of the picks, but he wasn't the only GM hot on the trail of blueliners on Friday. That's not a coincidence.
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Re: The draft

Postby Gaucho on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:44 am

These people don't know crap about hockey. Do they even have a Playstation?
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Re: The draft

Postby steelhammer on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:45 am

Hope it made it to TV, but the best image so far was that Russian kid getting drafted by Florida late in the 4th round. He was by himself and looked so happy to get drafted. Wonder if he flew here by himself. I hope he ends up being really good.
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Re: The draft

Postby GDR on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:46 am

So, Pierre McGuire is an idiot 363 days out of the year but when it comes to draft rankings we're supposed to take them as gospel. Uh, no thanks.
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Re: The draft

Postby skullman80 on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:47 am

I just woke up... didn't know they started this early for day 2 lol.
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Re: The draft

Postby columbia on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:47 am

He's a goof-ball and pretty creepy, but he is not an idiot.
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Re: The draft

Postby skullman80 on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:47 am

GDR wrote:So, Pierre McGuire is an idiot 363 days out of the year but when it comes to draft rankings we're supposed to take them as gospel. Uh, no thanks.


To be fair to Pierre, guy was spot on last night as far as who teams were taking in the first round.
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Re: The draft

Postby Avyran on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:48 am

McGuire is an idiot on US TV... he seems to pander to NBC or Roenick or something. He's much better on Canadian TV, very knowledgeable.
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Re: The draft

Postby sil on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:49 am

Blueger.
Sundqvist.
Marcantuoni.

Love these names. :pop:
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Re: The draft

Postby skullman80 on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:50 am

Pens take another d-man. 6'3 out of Peterborough
Clark Seymour
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Re: The draft

Postby Gaucho on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:50 am

OMG tehy drafted a defenseman!!!!!!!!1111
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Re: The draft

Postby sil on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:50 am

columbia wrote:He's a goof-ball and pretty creepy, but he is not an idiot.


:lol: :thumb:
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Re: The draft

Postby davemess on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:50 am

With the #143 pick in the 2012 draft the Penguins take Clark Seymour

Defenseman
Height: 6' 4"
Weight: 205
Born: May 18, 1993
Born in: Brockville, ON, CAN

Peterborough, OHL
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Re: The draft

Postby columbia on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:50 am

Gaucho wrote:OMG tehy drafted a defenseman!!!!!!!!1111


:slits wrists:
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Re: The draft

Postby sil on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:51 am

See...more defensemen. ;^)
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Re: The draft

Postby Geezer on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:52 am

Whew, back to drafting defensemen. I was getting worried. :)
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Re: The draft

Postby Shyster on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:52 am

It's really got to be getting to flop-sweat time for the young men still sitting in the stands.
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