mikey287 wrote:This is just not understanding how things work really, with all due respect...
a) the "rankings" you see may look nothing like (and generally look nothing like) the rankings each team has individually...so throwing "this guy was 17th, but this guy was 10th and we could have traded down here if..." is all bologna unless you have some serious, serious sources with every team in the league.
b) It's pretty clear we don't have a Swedish or Finnish scout. Look at our draft record. You think we're so overly familiar with Teravainen or Forsberg there? This isn't a video game. No one goes around passing around a sheet that says: Forsberg: Acc. 83, Agi. 79, Spd. 85 ... Ovr. 81, Pot B+; Teravainen: Acc. 89....etc. You have an unexpected pick, way, way above your projected spot. If you're investing a major asset (major!) into something, you're sinking it in right off the hop. It's a sunken cost right off the podium. If you get a bunch of looks from your North American scouts that go, "well, we think..." "well, I saw him once at the WJCs..." "well, I've heard..." "He could be...uh..." you can't make that pick. Pouliot was attached to Joe Morrow's hip this year. We should know him like the back of our hand. Olli Maatta is Scott Harrington, we should know him like the back of our hand. Our scouting staff is neither imaginative nor particularly bright as far as I'm concerned...but let's be realistic here. You can't just start throwing these indictments around unless you have some knowledge of the big picture of how things work on the inside.
sure but when you have a whole TSN staff with different hockey resumes and X amount of total hockey knowledge years combined saying Forsberg is the number 3 overall talent in the draft, you have him at 8, you forward depth isnt as strong as it should be, and you draft a position that is your strength already....
its a bad pick.
Forsberg could be a bust, Pouliot could be the next S.Neidermayer. However it wasn't B.P.A. and I think at the time it was a bad pick.
Shero said it had nothing to do with Pouliot being there or not. Heck even the 6'3 russian for Geno to have a winger and neal to crosby would have been nice... ugh.. just dont know
well at least the staal trade looks decent going forward.
No offense, but bingo at the bolded. You want your GM to be influenced by a bunch of TV guys (regardless of background? (which by the way is Bob McKenzie who is not a scout, Craig Button a terrible GM and Pierre McGuire who only had spot duty as a coach in the league). You say "BPA" because that's what the TV told you...that Forsberg was BPA...for Pittsburgh, maybe Pouliot was #4 on their board and they feel they got BPA. Why do you think teams "reach" for players...just for the **** of it? Look at Hampus Lindholm..."durrr, why didn't they trade down, [TV guy] said that he should go at 18, but they picked him at <18 *drool*" It's just silly sentiment...really...it really is...