Ryan Suter likes pudding pops

[darkstar57]

Why not right?

[Gaucho]

Kevin Klein. Roman Josi. Francis Bouillon. Ryan Ellis. Hal Gill. Jack Hillen.

[slappybrown]

4 of those 6 have double l in their names.

[shafnutz05]

4 of those 6 have double l in their names.

[slappybrown]

4 of those 6 have double l in their names.

Good work Kicksave.

[Gaucho]

4 of those 6 have double l in their names.

Wonder if they'd be interested in Paull Martin.

[ILikeTurtles]

4 of those 6 have double l in their names.

Wonder if they'd be interested in Paull Martin.

Probably would want Derek Engelland instead.

[Guinness]

Kevin Klein.

Absolutely killed it in A Fish Called W-w-w-anda...

[Gaucho]

4 of those 6 have double l in their names.

Wonder if they'd be interested in Paull Martin.

Probably would want Derek Engelland instead.

Aw, crap.

[DesertPenguin]

NO.

The logic around wanting Suter is this: We need better defensemen. Ryan Suter is an All Star Caliber Defenseman. We need Ryan Suter.

The problem is, while hes a great player and very skilled, hes smallish and not very physical. Great offensive talent, great skater, etc, but Letang is that already. We have come to the conclusion that this team needs a big bodied defensive specialist, a younger Hall Gill, to play the clutch and grab that the league is returning to. Suter is not that player. He is more similar to Letang, and Morrow once he arrives. Its not worth paying the premium for a top guy that doesn't fit what the core is lacking.

Pay 4 million to a guy that fits the mold we need, and save the other 2-3 to pay Staal and Letang.

[darkstar57]

NO.

The logic around wanting Suter is this: We need better defensemen. Ryan Suter is an All Star Caliber Defenseman. We need Ryan Suter.

The problem is, while hes a great player and very skilled, hes smallish and not very physical. Great offensive talent, great skater, etc, but Letang is that already. We have come to the conclusion that this team needs a big bodied defensive specialist, a younger Hall Gill, to play the clutch and grab that the league is returning to. Suter is not that player. He is more similar to Letang, and Morrow once he arrives. Its not worth paying the premium for a top guy that doesn't fit what the core is lacking.

Pay 4 million to a guy that fits the mold we need, and save the other 2-3 to pay Staal and Letang.

This was a sarcastic post in response to the shea weber thread.

[Mr. Colby]

If you wouldn't love to have Suter here you're nuts.

Won't be able to do it though - bidding war for his services will be too high and smart to stay away from.

I've said it once and I'll say it again: Detroit signs Suter and Parise

[MRandall25]

If you wouldn't love to have Suter here you're nuts.

Won't be able to do it though - bidding war for his services will be too high and smart to stay away from.

I've said it once and I'll say it again: Detroit signs Suter and Parise

So let's say they sign Suter for $6 mil and Parise for $7 mil.

They lose a first, second and third-round pick for Suter and two first-round picks, a second and third for Parise...

Does that sound smart from the Wings at all? I don't really see any team willing to put themselves in a hole like that, ESPECIALLY the Wings.

[Staggy]

Suter's a UFA, I believe

[Godric]

both suter and parise are ufa

[DesertPenguin]

If you wouldn't love to have Suter here you're nuts.

Won't be able to do it though - bidding war for his services will be too high and smart to stay away from.

I've said it once and I'll say it again: Detroit signs Suter and Parise

Of course I would love Suter, Weber, Parise etc. But this is a salary cap sport, and that cap allotment is not worth it to a team that already has this star power on it. We don't need more star power on a team with Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Neal and Letang on it. That is a wealth of riches, and we pay a premium for it. We need complimentary pieces that mesh together to make a complete team.

Suter's skill set, while extremely impressive, does not match the skills that we lack. It is a sexy move, but its not the smart one.

[sil]

If you wouldn't love to have Suter here you're nuts.

Won't be able to do it though - bidding war for his services will be too high and smart to stay away from.

I've said it once and I'll say it again: Detroit signs Suter and Parise

Of course I would love Suter, Weber, Parise etc. But this is a salary cap sport, and that cap allotment is not worth it to a team that already has this star power on it. We don't need more star power on a team with Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Neal and Letang on it. That is a wealth of riches, and we pay a premium for it. We need complimentary pieces that mesh together to make a complete team.

Suter's skill set, while extremely impressive, does not match the skills that we lack. It is a sexy move, but its not the smart one.

I really think you're underestimating Suter's play. He's not a big physical shut down guy, no...but I know he'd walk into our roster and instantly be the best d-man (defensively) on it, and by a pretty big margain. If the cap space were to be there (and it won't be), Shero would be stupid not to at least give his agent a call.

[sil]

both suter and parise are ufa

Yep, and as some have said, DET will come a knockin' on July 1.

[no name]

both suter and parise are ufa

Yep, and as some have said, DET will come a knockin' on July 1.

Espicially if Lindstrom retires, Suter is a sure lock to be a Red Wing. Not that i want the pens to get him, i just don't want the wings to. Maybe Nash will win the cup and thoes guys will stay put.

[sil]

both suter and parise are ufa

Yep, and as some have said, DET will come a knockin' on July 1.

Espicially if Lindstrom retires, Suter is a sure lock to be a Red Wing. Not that i want the pens to get him, i just don't want the wings to. Maybe Nash will win the cup and thoes guys will stay put.

I think DET wants Weber more than Suter...obviously. Thing is they could possibly fit both in after next season, because they pay their russian superstar $3,500,000 less than we pay ours...and theirs actually plays defense.

[CERV96]

both suter and parise are ufa

Yep, and as some have said, DET will come a knockin' on July 1.

Espicially if Lindstrom retires, Suter is a sure lock to be a Red Wing. Not that i want the pens to get him, i just don't want the wings to. Maybe Nash will win the cup and thoes guys will stay put.

I think DET wants Weber more than Suter...obviously. Thing is they could possibly fit both in after next season, because they pay their russian superstar $3,500,000 less than we pay ours...and theirs actually plays defense.

From empty netters:

After Game 7 of the 2009 Stanley Cup final, Red Wings coach Mike Babcock addressed the potential for the Penguins to become a regular Stanley Cup much like his own team. Babcock asked, "Correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't Malkin go from ($350,000) to $8.7 (million)? There just goes two more players. It's called math."

What Babcock was referring to was the jump in salary Malkin went from his entry-level contract to his second contract. Some knocked him for supposedly displaying sour grapes. But Babcock was simply telling the truth.

[Pavel Bure]

NO.

The logic around wanting Suter is this: We need better defensemen. Ryan Suter is an All Star Caliber Defenseman. We need Ryan Suter.

The problem is, while hes a great player and very skilled, hes smallish and not very physical. Great offensive talent, great skater, etc, but Letang is that already. We have come to the conclusion that this team needs a big bodied defensive specialist, a younger Hall Gill, to play the clutch and grab that the league is returning to. Suter is not that player. He is more similar to Letang, and Morrow once he arrives. Its not worth paying the premium for a top guy that doesn't fit what the core is lacking.

Pay 4 million to a guy that fits the mold we need, and save the other 2-3 to pay Staal and Letang.

This was a sarcastic post in response to the shea weber thread.

The Shea Weber thread was sarcastic in and of itself then people decided to take it seriously, that's why he love meatloaf now.

[darkstar57]

NO.

The logic around wanting Suter is this: We need better defensemen. Ryan Suter is an All Star Caliber Defenseman. We need Ryan Suter.

The problem is, while hes a great player and very skilled, hes smallish and not very physical. Great offensive talent, great skater, etc, but Letang is that already. We have come to the conclusion that this team needs a big bodied defensive specialist, a younger Hall Gill, to play the clutch and grab that the league is returning to. Suter is not that player. He is more similar to Letang, and Morrow once he arrives. Its not worth paying the premium for a top guy that doesn't fit what the core is lacking.

Pay 4 million to a guy that fits the mold we need, and save the other 2-3 to pay Staal and Letang.

This was a sarcastic post in response to the shea weber thread.

The Shea Weber thread was sarcastic in and of itself then people decided to take it seriously, that's why he love meatloaf now.

Oh no, i understood that, hence the ryan suter trade because people where like yeah we have as shot at shea weber, perhaps we need a Suter & Weber thread?

[sil]

From empty netters:

After Game 7 of the 2009 Stanley Cup final, Red Wings coach Mike Babcock addressed the potential for the Penguins to become a regular Stanley Cup much like his own team. Babcock asked, "Correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't Malkin go from ($350,000) to $8.7 (million)? There just goes two more players. It's called math."

What Babcock was referring to was the jump in salary Malkin went from his entry-level contract to his second contract. Some knocked him for supposedly displaying sour grapes. But Babcock was simply telling the truth.

In part it was indeed sour grapes, but that doesn't stop it from being true. While they're better offensive players (and younger) Sid and Malkin both make $8,700,000, while a guy like Pavel Datsyuk who, though he may not put up the numbers they do, has every bit the same skill and puts both of them to shame defensively.

Obviously this is due in part to DET uncovering a gem in the late rounds of the draft with Datsuyk, while the pens got Sid and Geno from the lottery. It's easier to pay Pavel less and very easy for Sid and Geno to both want above 8 1/2 million...still is a tough pill to swallow considering the pens cap crunch.

It's also still the primary reason why I'm in the 'trade Malkin before Staal' camp. I'd be much more inclined to keep Evgeni around if he would actually decide to abandon a offense-only mentality and start using his large frame and skill to disrupt players in the defensive zone on a nightly basis...and not just every once in a while.

[the riddler]

From empty netters:

After Game 7 of the 2009 Stanley Cup final, Red Wings coach Mike Babcock addressed the potential for the Penguins to become a regular Stanley Cup much like his own team. Babcock asked, "Correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't Malkin go from ($350,000) to $8.7 (million)? There just goes two more players. It's called math."

What Babcock was referring to was the jump in salary Malkin went from his entry-level contract to his second contract. Some knocked him for supposedly displaying sour grapes. But Babcock was simply telling the truth.

In part it was indeed sour grapes, but that doesn't stop it from being true. While they're better offensive players (and younger) Sid and Malkin both make $8,700,000, while a guy like Pavel Datsyuk who, though he may not put up the numbers they do, has every bit the same skill and puts both of them to shame defensively.

Obviously this is due in part to DET uncovering a gem in the late rounds of the draft with Datsuyk, while the pens got Sid and Geno from the lottery. It's easier to pay Pavel less and very easy for Sid and Geno to both want above 8 1/2 million...still is a tough pill to swallow considering the pens cap crunch.

It's also still the primary reason why I'm in the 'trade Malkin before Staal' camp. I'd be much more inclined to keep Evgeni around if he would actually decide to abandon a offense-only mentality and start using his large frame and skill to disrupt players in the defensive zone on a nightly basis...and not just every once in a while.