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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby sil on Tue May 08, 2012 11:52 am

thehockeyguru wrote:
Malkamaniac wrote:I wanted Volchenkov when the Pens had a chance to get him. Now, Paul Martin is here and I think he left of decently bad terms with NJ.


This. I was in the Volchenkov camp, where are those who were happy we got Martin now?


I was extremely happy when we got him...but he was a complete dissapointment this past season, though I don't think Anton in place of Maritn would've solved our issues and gotten us past Philly.
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue May 08, 2012 1:49 pm

Martin going to PIttsburgh had nothign to do with Volchenkov. It would have been Michalek/Volchenkov.
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby no name on Tue May 08, 2012 1:58 pm

If i remember correctly the pens wanted Hamhuis (traded for his rights) and Volchenkov that offseason but once they were snatched up they had to go after the best availible guys in free agency, Martin and Z.

Man we would have a nice looking D with thoes 2 hard hitters back there.
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby Streaks House on Tue May 08, 2012 2:04 pm

no name wrote:If i remember correctly the pens wanted Hamhuis (traded for his rights) and Volchenkov that offseason but once they were snatched up they had to go after the best availible guys in free agency, Martin and Z.

Man we would have a nice looking D with thoes 2 hard hitters back there.


Can't say that GMRS didn't try. He knew who he wanted, just didn't work out. Had to settle for the next best.
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby thehockeyguru on Tue May 08, 2012 2:10 pm

Streaks House wrote:
no name wrote:If i remember correctly the pens wanted Hamhuis (traded for his rights) and Volchenkov that offseason but once they were snatched up they had to go after the best availible guys in free agency, Martin and Z.

Man we would have a nice looking D with thoes 2 hard hitters back there.


Can't say that GMRS didn't try. He knew who he wanted, just didn't work out. Had to settle for the next best.


Lol.....Settled for the next best? We would have been better off giving Scuderi and Gill what they wanted. In the end we would have gotten better results and spent half as much.
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby Cr@zy871 on Tue May 08, 2012 2:10 pm

no name wrote:If i remember correctly the pens wanted Hamhuis (traded for his rights) and Volchenkov that offseason but once they were snatched up they had to go after the best availible guys in free agency, Martin and Z.

Man we would have a nice looking D with thoes 2 hard hitters back there.



I think that half of the hockey world knew that Hamhuis was going to sign with Vancouver that off season... It was pointless to trade for his rights.
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby shmenguin on Tue May 08, 2012 2:13 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
Streaks House wrote:
no name wrote:If i remember correctly the pens wanted Hamhuis (traded for his rights) and Volchenkov that offseason but once they were snatched up they had to go after the best availible guys in free agency, Martin and Z.

Man we would have a nice looking D with thoes 2 hard hitters back there.


Can't say that GMRS didn't try. He knew who he wanted, just didn't work out. Had to settle for the next best.


Lol.....Settled for the next best? We would have been better off giving Scuderi and Gill what they wanted. In the end we would have gotten better results and spent half as much.


They weren't available that summer
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue May 08, 2012 2:15 pm

Michalek and Martin were both signed before Volchenkov signed. Hamhuis was signed after both of them as well, and I think after even Volchenkov.
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby MRandall25 on Tue May 08, 2012 2:16 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
Streaks House wrote:
no name wrote:If i remember correctly the pens wanted Hamhuis (traded for his rights) and Volchenkov that offseason but once they were snatched up they had to go after the best availible guys in free agency, Martin and Z.

Man we would have a nice looking D with thoes 2 hard hitters back there.


Can't say that GMRS didn't try. He knew who he wanted, just didn't work out. Had to settle for the next best.


Lol.....Settled for the next best? We would have been better off giving Scuderi and Gill what they wanted. In the end we would have gotten better results and spent half as much.


Jesus Christ how many times do we have to say M/M were signed the year after Scuderi and Gill signed elsewhere?
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby penny lane on Tue May 08, 2012 2:20 pm

If the devils throw in Zubrus; a deal! ;) I've always liked volchenkov, but he has injuries and
miles on his body.
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby MRandall25 on Tue May 08, 2012 2:22 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:Michalek and Martin were both signed before Volchenkov signed. Hamhuis was signed after both of them as well, and I think after even Volchenkov.


It could've been that Hamhuis and Volchenkov simply said "We don't want to be in Pittsburgh"...
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby thehockeyguru on Tue May 08, 2012 2:23 pm

MRandall25 wrote:Jesus Christ how many times do we have to say M/M were signed the year after Scuderi and Gill signed elsewhere?


Why don't you see the fact that if Scuderi and Gill were retained there is no need to sign Martin and Michalek?
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby Streaks House on Tue May 08, 2012 2:24 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:Jesus Christ how many times do we have to say M/M were signed the year after Scuderi and Gill signed elsewhere?


Why don't you see the fact that if Scuderi and Gill were retained there is no need to sign Martin and Michalek?


Didn't have the cap space at the time...
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby MRandall25 on Tue May 08, 2012 2:26 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:Jesus Christ how many times do we have to say M/M were signed the year after Scuderi and Gill signed elsewhere?


Why don't you see the fact that if Scuderi and Gill were retained there is no need to sign Martin and Michalek?


:face:
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby thehockeyguru on Tue May 08, 2012 2:30 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:Jesus Christ how many times do we have to say M/M were signed the year after Scuderi and Gill signed elsewhere?


Why don't you see the fact that if Scuderi and Gill were retained there is no need to sign Martin and Michalek?


:face:


Some argument that is....
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby thehockeyguru on Tue May 08, 2012 2:35 pm

Streaks House wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:Jesus Christ how many times do we have to say M/M were signed the year after Scuderi and Gill signed elsewhere?


Why don't you see the fact that if Scuderi and Gill were retained there is no need to sign Martin and Michalek?


Didn't have the cap space at the time...


Pens had 5.5 mil in cap space going into the off-season. They were paying Eaton 2mil on top of that. If they wanted to keep Gill and Scuderi they could have.
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby Pitt87 on Tue May 08, 2012 3:18 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
Streaks House wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:Jesus Christ how many times do we have to say M/M were signed the year after Scuderi and Gill signed elsewhere?


Why don't you see the fact that if Scuderi and Gill were retained there is no need to sign Martin and Michalek?


Didn't have the cap space at the time...


Pens had 5.5 mil in cap space going into the off-season. They were paying Eaton 2mil on top of that. If they wanted to keep Gill and Scuderi they could have.


Didn't see the value in a 3rd pair, stay at home defenseman getting $4 million bucks. Not that I know personally, but I never think GMRS viewed Scuds as a 2nd pair guy. They viewed Michalek as an upgrade.

I also don't think they expected to get so much out of Nisky, so Martin was a must-have a the time when defenders were at a premium. We traded for Hamhuis and whiffed, missed out on Volchenkov, and were essentially left with the two guys we got. I think, now that we see Despres looking like he can hang out on the third line and work his way up. That said, we still have too many players that would have to play, even if we dumped Martin and one of Engelland and Lovejoy. I just don't see a way out without a buyout.
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby thehockeyguru on Tue May 08, 2012 3:23 pm

In retrospect at the very minimum we should have retained Gill and let Fedotenko walk.
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby sil on Tue May 08, 2012 3:26 pm

I'm pretty sure Ray's top-2 choices of D-men heading into that summer (2010) were Hamhuis and Martin. I even recall McKenzie tweeting something like "And Shero gets his man..." leading into the announcement of the Martin signing. Shero traded for Ham's rights, but I think Ray wasn't willing to pay him more than $4,000,000 per year...plus it was pretty obvious Ham wanted to go back to the western Canada coast where he grew up. Michalek was the consolation prize for Hamhuis, and Martin was the primary target. Odd how the 'consolation' has proved to be the better asset thus far.
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby columbia on Tue May 08, 2012 3:29 pm

If my memory is correct, Volchenkov signed several hours after Shero signed M & M.
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby sil on Tue May 08, 2012 3:31 pm

columbia wrote:If my memory is correct, Volchenkov signed several hours after Shero signed M & M.


Indeed you're right. I also recall how Murray signed Gonchar something like .02 seconds after noon.
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby Malkamaniac on Tue May 08, 2012 3:46 pm

Hamhuis was all about playing for Vancouver. Good for him too, just another concussion plagued player we don't need.
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue May 08, 2012 3:50 pm

Like Letang.
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby Pens15 on Tue May 08, 2012 4:05 pm

Pitt87 wrote:Didn't see the value in a 3rd pair, stay at home defenseman getting $4 million bucks. Not that I know personally, but I never think GMRS viewed Scuds as a 2nd pair guy. They viewed Michalek as an upgrade.


Yeah, and funnily enough, Scuds is currently on the first pairing with Doughty on a damn good defensive team that is still playing.
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Re: Martin for Volchenkov?

Postby MRandall25 on Tue May 08, 2012 4:06 pm

Pens15 wrote:
Pitt87 wrote:Didn't see the value in a 3rd pair, stay at home defenseman getting $4 million bucks. Not that I know personally, but I never think GMRS viewed Scuds as a 2nd pair guy. They viewed Michalek as an upgrade.


Yeah, and funnily enough, Scuds is currently on the first pairing with Doughty on a damn good defensive team that is still playing.


Hindsight is always 20/20.
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