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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby shmenguin on Thu May 10, 2012 12:24 pm

i don't think sid slapping the glove was embarrassing at all. i just think it was a clear indicator that the flyers were in his head. that's why it was a problem. not because it made him look bad.
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby Pens15 on Thu May 10, 2012 12:29 pm

shmenguin wrote:i don't think sid slapping the glove was embarrassing at all. i just think it was a clear indicator that the flyers were in his head. that's why it was a problem. not because it made him look bad.


What kind of double speak is that? If it showed they were in his head and it was a problem, then it made him look bad by definition.
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby shmenguin on Thu May 10, 2012 12:43 pm

Pens15 wrote:
shmenguin wrote:i don't think sid slapping the glove was embarrassing at all. i just think it was a clear indicator that the flyers were in his head. that's why it was a problem. not because it made him look bad.


What kind of double speak is that? If it showed they were in his head and it was a problem, then it made him look bad by definition.


eh. you know what i mean. he didn't "look bad" in the sense that a flyers fan would say he "looked bad".
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby the riddler on Thu May 10, 2012 1:07 pm

What the NJ-PHI series showed me is that NJ didn't get caught up in anything the Flyers did after the whistle. They just kept playing and made smart decisions every game. The Penguins got too caught up in all the hype of the series, it looked like they did the stupid things they did because it was Philly/Pittsburgh and that's what they thought they should do.
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby Malkamaniac on Thu May 10, 2012 1:26 pm

The Pens were so emotionally weak it wasn't even funny.
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby columbia on Thu May 10, 2012 1:27 pm

Malkamaniac wrote:The Pens were so emotionally weak it wasn't even funny.


Leadership. :o
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby dietz on Thu May 10, 2012 1:51 pm

coaching.. or lack of
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby MRandall25 on Thu May 10, 2012 2:34 pm

dietz wrote:coaching.. or lack of


Because a coach can control minds.
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby Malkamaniac on Thu May 10, 2012 2:55 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
dietz wrote:coaching.. or lack of


Because a coach can control minds.


He should be able to calm them down. Not let them run around like idiots.
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby Rylan on Thu May 10, 2012 2:57 pm

Herb Brooks would have made them skate for 4 hours after Game Three. Immediately afterwards too. Suicides until they knew better.
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby shafnutz05 on Thu May 10, 2012 2:58 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
dietz wrote:coaching.. or lack of


Because a coach can control minds.


I've never heard anyone make so many excuses for a team/players/coaches as I've heard you make for this one.

If you honestly don't think the coach has a crucial role in keeping the team in the right mental mindset...well, I don't know what to say.
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby columbia on Thu May 10, 2012 3:01 pm

I can't wait for the October mustache boy competition.
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby Rylan on Thu May 10, 2012 3:03 pm

I can't wait for hockey to begin so we can have variety in topics.
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby Malkamaniac on Thu May 10, 2012 3:03 pm

I'm a fan of Byslma, but there's no doubt failure there when you refuse to adapt to changes, let your team run around like loons, and not make mid game adjustments.

Either he quit on the team, the team quit on him, or he's to egotistical to change his game plan.
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby jcgopens on Thu May 10, 2012 3:04 pm

Malkamaniac wrote:I'm a fan of Byslma, but there's no doubt failure there when you refuse to adapt to changes, let your team run around like loons, and not make mid game adjustments.

Either he quit on the team, the team quit on him, or he's to egotistical to change his game plan.



Actually, I think it is all of the above.
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby MRandall25 on Thu May 10, 2012 3:19 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:
dietz wrote:coaching.. or lack of


Because a coach can control minds.


I've never heard anyone make so many excuses for a team/players/coaches as I've heard you make for this one.

If you honestly don't think the coach has a crucial role in keeping the team in the right mental mindset...well, I don't know what to say.


Never said he didn't play a role, but you guys treat it like he should be able to cater to every single player's problems.
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby shafnutz05 on Thu May 10, 2012 3:21 pm

His full-time job is coaching the team. Catering to the problems of his players is his job. Their complete and utter lack of mental fortitude and discipline this series rests squarely on his shoulders, acknowledging that he wasn't on the ice.
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby MRandall25 on Thu May 10, 2012 3:25 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:His full-time job is coaching the team. Catering to the problems of his players is his job. Their complete and utter lack of mental fortitude and discipline this series rests squarely on his shoulders, acknowledging that he wasn't on the ice.


But you don't think there is an onus on the players to "grab their sac" and man up?
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby shafnutz05 on Thu May 10, 2012 3:33 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
shafnutz05 wrote:His full-time job is coaching the team. Catering to the problems of his players is his job. Their complete and utter lack of mental fortitude and discipline this series rests squarely on his shoulders, acknowledging that he wasn't on the ice.


But you don't think there is an onus on the players to "grab their sac" and man up?


Agreed, but I didn't see any fire at all from Bylsma. I don't know what went on behind closed doors, but I genuinely don't think he was hard enough on them.
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby Malkamaniac on Thu May 10, 2012 3:33 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
shafnutz05 wrote:His full-time job is coaching the team. Catering to the problems of his players is his job. Their complete and utter lack of mental fortitude and discipline this series rests squarely on his shoulders, acknowledging that he wasn't on the ice.


But you don't think there is an onus on the players to "grab their sac" and man up?


Sure there is. The lack of execution during the game was my problem with him. Standing there with your arms folded while your team loses control is not what a good coach does, or allows to happen.
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby meow on Thu May 10, 2012 3:33 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:His full-time job is coaching the team. Catering to the problems of his players is his job. Their complete and utter lack of mental fortitude and discipline this series rests squarely on his shoulders, acknowledging that he wasn't on the ice.

Yea, I don't know about that. His job is to put his players in the best possible situation to succeed.
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby offsides on Thu May 10, 2012 4:41 pm

IMO, keeping players motivated is one of the main functions of a head coach, no matter what the sport. I saw none of that from DB. In fairness, I have no idea what happened in the locker room\practice, then again, I do know who the mustache boy was.
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby penny lane on Thu May 10, 2012 4:57 pm

Wish I could have heard Ray Shero's parting words to the players.
Pens have been a family style enviroment with GM R Shero, next season is the time for tough love.
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby BleuLineLady on Thu May 10, 2012 5:58 pm

I would argue that there is no team that the Flyers fans and team hate more than the Penguins. The rivalry is heated every year pretty much, especially in the last few. Philly is an energy team. It starts from their fans who like to rile things and they will also be hard on the team if theyre playing badly. There are other teams that they get pumped up for also, but I have always noticed and not just this year but in previous playoff seasons when they are playing a team that is discplined (meaning not engaging with them verbally), they just lose their energy.

I think their series with the Pens just blew them out emotionally, they had nothing left in the tank for the Devils.
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Re: Never thought the Pens could look worse than the already

Postby darkstar57 on Thu May 10, 2012 6:04 pm

I thought it was a mixture of failure on everyone's ones part, only a few players showed up to play, DB got out coached, shero should have made a deadline move or two.

i am over the lose already, maybe its because i think this team needed something like this to really kick it into another gear.

Good teams can win a cup, great teams win multiple cups, its time to prove if we have the mental make up to be a great team and one way is to overcome a kick in the pizza like this
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