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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby Fire0nice228 on Fri May 18, 2012 7:15 pm

I think Skinner is untouchable in Carolina, but that lineup does look sick. But, too top heavy IMO.
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby MRandall25 on Fri May 18, 2012 7:55 pm

Bioshock wrote:All we can give him is money and the same locker room he has grown accustomed to. Other teams can give him that same money and the moon in terms of playing time and talent around him along with a possible Captaincy.

This guy isn't meant to play on the Third line of any team.


Jordan Staal averaged 20:03 of ice time this year. That's pretty high for anyone. 6th overall in terms of the team.
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby Troy Loney on Fri May 18, 2012 8:25 pm

I bet Parise ends up in detroit.
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby HockeyDaddy on Fri May 18, 2012 11:08 pm

Pavel Bure wrote:Yah let's move. Two time scoring champ that dominates at the center position to accommodate Jordan Staal. No way


I have seen Malkin play wing many times when the big three are healthy. Why is that so unreasonable?

If you want to win another Cup, you need Jordan Staal or a Jordan Staal equivalent on your team. I would rather do what I can to keep a proven commodity than go out and find a replacement.
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby DontToewsMeBro on Fri May 18, 2012 11:21 pm

Bioshock wrote:
Pavel Bure wrote:Yah let's move. Two time scoring champ that dominates at the center position to accommodate Jordan Staal. No way

People just need to accept that Staal is gone. Yeah, the cap may go up to heights none of us even dreamed and might even go higher if the NHLPA has it's way. Yeah, the Pens wanna sign him and can pay him out the ass to do so, but what a lot of people seem to forget it that he has to WANT TO SIGN here.

Staal isn't a winger or a third line center. He's a Selke candidate, a PK Specialist, good faceoff man, great two way center who can also score 35 goals and is captain material that can easily be the face of a lot of Franchises. He might get the money here, but what he won't get here is everything else that he clearly can be. He would be completely and totally insane to sign here and frankly, i'm sick of not giving Sid the proper winger to accommodate him.


LGP: where somebody who hasn't come close to 30 goals since 2006 is now a 35 goal scorer
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby MRandall25 on Sat May 19, 2012 1:25 am

DontToewsMeBro wrote:
Bioshock wrote:
Pavel Bure wrote:Yah let's move. Two time scoring champ that dominates at the center position to accommodate Jordan Staal. No way

People just need to accept that Staal is gone. Yeah, the cap may go up to heights none of us even dreamed and might even go higher if the NHLPA has it's way. Yeah, the Pens wanna sign him and can pay him out the ass to do so, but what a lot of people seem to forget it that he has to WANT TO SIGN here.

Staal isn't a winger or a third line center. He's a Selke candidate, a PK Specialist, good faceoff man, great two way center who can also score 35 goals and is captain material that can easily be the face of a lot of Franchises. He might get the money here, but what he won't get here is everything else that he clearly can be. He would be completely and totally insane to sign here and frankly, i'm sick of not giving Sid the proper winger to accommodate him.


LGP: where somebody who hasn't come close to 30 goals since 2006 is now a 35 goal scorer


Would've gotten it if not for Mike Rupp's knee.
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby Pavel Bure on Sat May 19, 2012 8:28 am

HockeyDaddy wrote:
Pavel Bure wrote:Yah let's move. Two time scoring champ that dominates at the center position to accommodate Jordan Staal. No way


I have seen Malkin play wing many times when the big three are healthy. Why is that so unreasonable?

If you want to win another Cup, you need Jordan Staal or a Jordan Staal equivalent on your team. I would rather do what I can to keep a proven commodity than go out and find a replacement.

Again so you would hinder a guy who was playoff MVP at the center position to accommodate Jordan Staal? It makes zero sense. What Staal does is more easily replaceable than what Malkin does.
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby Bioshock on Sat May 19, 2012 12:23 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
DontToewsMeBro wrote:
Bioshock wrote:
Pavel Bure wrote:Yah let's move. Two time scoring champ that dominates at the center position to accommodate Jordan Staal. No way

People just need to accept that Staal is gone. Yeah, the cap may go up to heights none of us even dreamed and might even go higher if the NHLPA has it's way. Yeah, the Pens wanna sign him and can pay him out the ass to do so, but what a lot of people seem to forget it that he has to WANT TO SIGN here.

Staal isn't a winger or a third line center. He's a Selke candidate, a PK Specialist, good faceoff man, great two way center who can also score 35 goals and is captain material that can easily be the face of a lot of Franchises. He might get the money here, but what he won't get here is everything else that he clearly can be. He would be completely and totally insane to sign here and frankly, i'm sick of not giving Sid the proper winger to accommodate him.


LGP: where somebody who hasn't come close to 30 goals since 2006 is now a 35 goal scorer


Would've gotten it if not for Mike Rupp's knee.


Was actually on pace for 38.
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby Kovy27 on Sun May 20, 2012 2:10 am

Bioshock wrote:-I trade Staal and Martin to Carolina for Jeff Skinner and 4th round pick.
-Pick up Parise for 6.5 million per season
-Sign Gaustad for your third line center at 2.7 million
-Trade Kennedy for a third round pick
-Resign Matt Niskanen for 2.5 million

Cap goes to 69 million and the team looks like this:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Zach Parise ($6.500m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Jeff Skinner ($1.400m)
Matt Cooke ($1.800m) / Paul Gaustad ($2.700m) / Eric Tangradi ($0.900m)
Pascal Dupuis ($1.500m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Arron Asham ($0.800m)
Dustin Jeffrey ($0.575m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Brooks Orpik ($3.750m) / Zbynek Michalek ($4.000m)
Deryk Engelland ($0.567m) / Kris Letang ($3.500m)
Matt Niskanen ($2.500m) / Simon Despres ($0.840m)
Ben Lovejoy ($0.525m) /
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Martin Biron ($0.900m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,431,667; BONUSES: $500,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,568,333



This solves our defensive problems...how?
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby KG on Sun May 20, 2012 8:31 am

Anyway we could deal Staal ++ for Bobby Ryan? He would be a great fit with Sid...
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby bse on Sun May 20, 2012 10:23 am

I really like Justin Faulk of Carolina Hurricanes. He's going to be super
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby Streaks House on Sun May 20, 2012 12:18 pm

bse wrote:I really like Justin Faulk of Carolina Hurricanes. He's going to be super


I'm sure Jim Rutherford shares your sentiment.
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby no name on Mon May 21, 2012 8:04 am

Before you even decide to trade a player you have to look at what you will be in need of when you lose him. Staal is one of the league best on the PK. He is to good to be a 3rd line center and even if Staal didn't get alot of goals he would still be one of the best 3rd liners. He also is a solid 2nd line powerplay guy.

And some of these trades i see for Staal all address offensive players in return. Didn't we lead the league in goals, we lose a great defenisve forward and get more offence back.

Any trade for Staal i want to address defence, defensive forwards or a defenisve defenceman and physical players in return. In 91 and 92 Patrick didn't go out and grab more socirng he got us defensive and physical players, we need that more than scorers.
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby shmenguin on Mon May 21, 2012 10:15 am

no name wrote:He also is a solid 2nd line powerplay guy.


your post is fine, except for this. staal is an abomination on the power play - 2nd unit or otherwise.
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby offsides on Mon May 21, 2012 4:21 pm

shmenguin wrote:
no name wrote:He also is a solid 2nd line powerplay guy.


your post is fine, except for this. staal is an abomination on the power play - 2nd unit or otherwise.


Staal was fourth on the team in PP goals even with very little ice time on the first or second PP unit.
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby shmenguin on Mon May 21, 2012 4:40 pm

offsides wrote:
shmenguin wrote:
no name wrote:He also is a solid 2nd line powerplay guy.


your post is fine, except for this. staal is an abomination on the power play - 2nd unit or otherwise.


Staal was fourth on the team in PP goals even with very little ice time on the first or second PP unit.


5 PP goals. the actual stat is much less impressive than the description of the stat.

as for ice time, he got more PP time per game (2 minutes) than any forward not on the top unit - about 30% more than the next 2nd unit guy. so the power play wasn't exactly foreign territory.

i think if neal went down, staal might be a decent option to fill the slot of "guy who just shoots". but he shouldn't be in any sort of play maker role.
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby offsides on Mon May 21, 2012 7:42 pm

shmenguin wrote:
offsides wrote:
shmenguin wrote:
no name wrote:He also is a solid 2nd line powerplay guy.


your post is fine, except for this. staal is an abomination on the power play - 2nd unit or otherwise.


Staal was fourth on the team in PP goals even with very little ice time on the first or second PP unit.


5 PP goals. the actual stat is much less impressive than the description of the stat.

as for ice time, he got more PP time per game (2 minutes) than any forward not on the top unit - about 30% more than the next 2nd unit guy. so the power play wasn't exactly foreign territory.

i think if neal went down, staal might be a decent option to fill the slot of "guy who just shoots". but he shouldn't be in any sort of play maker role.


Good point, but when he was on the PP, he wasn't exactly surrounded with scoring wingers\defensemen. I think he did very well considering who he was playing with. I think that is part of the problem, he wants to play with the big kids.
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby Pitt87 on Mon May 21, 2012 7:49 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
Bioshock wrote:All we can give him is money and the same locker room he has grown accustomed to. Other teams can give him that same money and the moon in terms of playing time and talent around him along with a possible Captaincy.

This guy isn't meant to play on the Third line of any team.


Jordan Staal averaged 20:03 of ice time this year. That's pretty high for anyone. 6th overall in terms of the team.


Thats right. While Sid was out, he was the second line center most of they year, so he played second line minutes. He played less minutes than Sid and Geno in the playoffs, just like the rest of his career.
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby columbia on Mon May 21, 2012 10:49 pm

JS: I want to be the Dude on this team.
RS: hmm, that WVU guy has it locked up, but I get your point.
JS: 30 million over 5 years?
RS: Crosby's going to be drooling into a sippy cup for at least 50 games a year, so we can get you that top line time.
JS: Cool! You want to get some brewskis?
RS: i got an 18 pack in the cooler...let's go to work.
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby Streaks House on Mon May 21, 2012 11:54 pm

columbia wrote:JS: I want to be the Dude on this team.
RS: hmm, that WVU guy has it locked up, but I get your point.
JS: 30 million over 5 years?
RS: Crosby's going to be drooling into a sippy cup for at least 50 games a year, so we can get you that top line time.
JS: Cool! You want to get some brewskis?
RS: i got an 18 pack in the cooler...let's go to work.


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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby Nizzy on Tue May 22, 2012 6:27 am

The most hiliarious thing I've seen so far on these boards in the offseason has to be:

"Pick up Parise for 6.5 M"

30/30 teams will be picking up Parise for 6.5M.

If ->

1. Parise does go to July 1st as a UFA
2. If the Cap is confirmed to be 69M-70M

He will have at least 1 offer for 8M on July 1st.

Not July 10th, Not July 3rd, HE WILL BE SIGNED JULY 1ST DEVIL OR NOT, for at least 8M.

Please people lol... so funny
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby darkstar57 on Tue May 22, 2012 8:00 am

i think staal gets 5 5.5 million, (only a 1.5 million dollar raise), moved up to one of the top 2 lines

Staal - Malkin - Neal - Big Line and tough to play against
Kunitz - Crosby - Dupius - Smaller/quicker line

I like that personally

Also give stall 1st pp time

Neal - Staal - Malkin front
Letang - Crosby

repalce staal with kunitz 45 seconds in.
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby KG on Tue May 22, 2012 8:02 am

darkstar57 wrote:i think staal gets 5 5.5 million, (only a 1.5 million dollar raise), moved up to one of the top 2 lines

Staal - Malkin - Neal - Big Line and tough to play against
Kunitz - Crosby - Dupius - Smaller/quicker line

I like that personally

Also give stall 1st pp time

Neal - Staal - Malkin front
Letang - Crosby

repalce staal with kunitz 45 seconds in.


I hear you....I'm personally getting a little sick of the Kunitz/Crosby/Dupuis default line....I'm down on Kunitz. If they need to move some salary for Staal look to him before dealing away Staal...
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby sil on Thu May 24, 2012 12:05 pm

KG wrote:I hear you....I'm personally getting a little sick of the Kunitz/Crosby/Dupuis default line....I'm down on Kunitz. If they need to move some salary for Staal look to him before dealing away Staal...


What if it's both?

Here's a trade to get's the kids goin...

St. Louis receives, (F) Jordan Staal, (F) Chris Kunitz, (D) Kris Letang, and a conditional pick in the 2014 NHL Draft (a 1st round pick if Staal doesn't resign in 2013, a 3rd round pick if he does).

Pittsburgh receives, (D) Alex Pietrangelo, RFA (F) T.J. Oshie, and (F) Patrik Berglund.

STL gets young cup experience and a real #2 center they can solidify their #2 line with behind Backes up front. Kunitz becomes added scoring grit for their 2nd/3rd line. Letang instantly becomes their best skater and puck mover from the back end.

PIT gets a larger physical d-man with tremendous upside at both ends (already better defensively than Letang), but also a guy who can man the point on the PP and actually fire the puck. Berglund is a downgrade from Staal, but a strong defensive forward with untapped skill...great for 3rd line C behind Malkin and Crosby. Oshie (who can play either wing) is to Sid what Neal is to Malkin, plus he has that coveted right handed shot for the PP.

Not to mention, after next season...with conservative estimates...

Staal ($5,500,000) + Kunitz ($3,725,000) + Letang ($3,500,000) = $12,725,000
Pietrangelo ($5,000,000) + Oshie ($3,500,000) + Berglund ($2,250,000) = $10,750,000

Neal | Malkin | ?
Oshie | Crosby | Dupuis
Cooke | Berglund | Kennedy
Tangradi | Vitale | ?
x Adams
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Re: More Staal Speculation...

Postby Cr@zy871 on Thu May 24, 2012 3:27 pm

KG wrote:
darkstar57 wrote:i think staal gets 5 5.5 million, (only a 1.5 million dollar raise), moved up to one of the top 2 lines

Staal - Malkin - Neal - Big Line and tough to play against
Kunitz - Crosby - Dupius - Smaller/quicker line

I like that personally

Also give stall 1st pp time

Neal - Staal - Malkin front
Letang - Crosby

repalce staal with kunitz 45 seconds in.


I hear you....I'm personally getting a little sick of the Kunitz/Crosby/Dupuis default line....I'm down on Kunitz. If they need to move some salary for Staal look to him before dealing away Staal...


How are you down on Kunitz? I agree that he took some stupid penalties during the playoffs, but you could probably say the same thing for half the team during that series... Kunitz is comming off a CAREER year in both Points and Goals... He is also are only other legit top 6 winger besides Neal. So I ask again, what are you down on him for?
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