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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby Cr@zy871 on Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:29 pm

What do people think about Jiri Hudler? I haven't seen his name thrown around too much. I think that he has the speed and finishing ability to potentially to be a nice winger for Sid, and he can play either side.

Thoughts?
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby sil on Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:32 pm

Cr@zy871 wrote:What do people think about Jiri Hudler? I haven't seen his name thrown around too much. I think that he has the speed and finishing ability to potentially to be a nice winger for Sid, and he can play either side.

Thoughts?


Hudler is a C/W...and don't get me wrong, he'd be a nice player to have...very strong offensively and defensively reliable. Problem is he'll probably cost more than $4,000,000 per year. I'd (personally) rather spend $4M on Doan...or Stoll if we want a true wing/center respectively. Plus Hudler is a pure redwing...and they don't always look as hot in other orgs/systems.
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby Streaks House on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:04 pm

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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby NJ5934 on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:47 pm

sil wrote:To get this thread going again ( ;^) ...

Assuming a cap of $70,300,000...

(1) Trade Paul Martin to Colorado for their 4th pick in 2012, and their 2nd pick in 2013.

(2) Sign UFA's Shane Doan (2 years, $8,000,000), Bryan Allen (3 years, $11,500,000), and Jay McClement (2 years, $3,500,000).

(3) Re-sign Sid Crosby (10 years, $90,000,000), and Jordan Staal (5 years, $27,500,000).

LW Kunitz | C Malkin | RW Neal
LW Doan ($4,000,000) | C Crosby (UFA in 2013 - $9,000,000) | RW Staal (UFA in 2013 - $5,500,000)
LW Dupuis (UFA in 2013) | C McClement ($1,750,000) | RW Kennedy (RFA in 2013)
LW Cooke (UFA in 2013) | C Vitale | RW Tangradi ($875,000)
x Adams (UFA in 2013)

Letang | Allen ($3,833,333)
Orpik | Michalek
Niskanen ($2,000,000) | Despres
x Engellend (UFA in 2013)

Fleury
Vokoun

Total of $68,765,000 against the cap, leaving $1,535,000 free.

$61,973,333 against the cap in 2013-14, with (4) forwards, and (1) defenseman to sign/replace. All four forwards are bottom-6 skaters (Dupuis, Kennedy, Cooke, Adams), and the lone defenseman is Engellend. That leaves $7,000,000 +/- (after adding in Crosby and Staal's salary increases) to sign those (5) players if the cap stays the same. Should leave plenty of room to re-up Malkin for the start of the 2014-15 season.



McClement was offered 3 years at 2.5 to stay in Denver, why would he sign in Pittsburgh for 1.75? He's one of the more dependable guys in the league and I would love to have him on the Pens, but he's going to be looking for something more like 3 mill a season.
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby Kaizer on Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:45 am

I want Doan, but i doubt he's going anywhere.
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby sil on Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:15 am

NJ5934 wrote:
sil wrote:To get this thread going again ( ;^) ...

Assuming a cap of $70,300,000...

(1) Trade Paul Martin to Colorado for their 4th pick in 2012, and their 2nd pick in 2013.

(2) Sign UFA's Shane Doan (2 years, $8,000,000), Bryan Allen (3 years, $11,500,000), and Jay McClement (2 years, $3,500,000).

(3) Re-sign Sid Crosby (10 years, $90,000,000), and Jordan Staal (5 years, $27,500,000).

LW Kunitz | C Malkin | RW Neal
LW Doan ($4,000,000) | C Crosby (UFA in 2013 - $9,000,000) | RW Staal (UFA in 2013 - $5,500,000)
LW Dupuis (UFA in 2013) | C McClement ($1,750,000) | RW Kennedy (RFA in 2013)
LW Cooke (UFA in 2013) | C Vitale | RW Tangradi ($875,000)
x Adams (UFA in 2013)

Letang | Allen ($3,833,333)
Orpik | Michalek
Niskanen ($2,000,000) | Despres
x Engellend (UFA in 2013)

Fleury
Vokoun

Total of $68,765,000 against the cap, leaving $1,535,000 free.

$61,973,333 against the cap in 2013-14, with (4) forwards, and (1) defenseman to sign/replace. All four forwards are bottom-6 skaters (Dupuis, Kennedy, Cooke, Adams), and the lone defenseman is Engellend. That leaves $7,000,000 +/- (after adding in Crosby and Staal's salary increases) to sign those (5) players if the cap stays the same. Should leave plenty of room to re-up Malkin for the start of the 2014-15 season.



McClement was offered 3 years at 2.5 to stay in Denver, why would he sign in Pittsburgh for 1.75? He's one of the more dependable guys in the league and I would love to have him on the Pens, but he's going to be looking for something more like 3 mill a season.


He was? Huh...I didn't see that anywhere. Obviously then...no, he wouldn't sign here for 1.75M.
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby sil on Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:16 am

Kaizer wrote:I want Doan, but i doubt he's going anywhere.


Bio-clocks rolling...and (not that we are) but he's not knocking on the door of a championship in PHX. I'm sure lots of teams will be contacting him @ 12:00 on July 1.
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby thehockeyguru on Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:14 am

Are the Pens really asking about Setoguchi?
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby sil on Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:45 am

thehockeyguru wrote:Are the Pens really asking about Setoguchi?


Where'd this come from?
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby thehockeyguru on Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:49 am

sil wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:Are the Pens really asking about Setoguchi?


Where'd this come from?


TIOPS suggested a Setoguchi trade that would involve Martin.
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby sil on Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:52 am

thehockeyguru wrote:
sil wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:Are the Pens really asking about Setoguchi?


Where'd this come from?


TIOPS suggested a Setoguchi trade that would involve Martin.


Oddly enough...I suggested it over a month ago. :wink:
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby thehockeyguru on Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:55 am

Its been mentioned by several sites over the past couple months. Kind of odd to see if surface again out of nowhere.
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby thehockeyguru on Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:01 pm

Not surprising that they made a qualifying offer to Niskanen, but I'm not sure exactly how he projects going forward. I don't see him in the top 4.
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:11 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:Not surprising that they made a qualifying offer to Niskanen, but I'm not sure exactly how he projects going forward. I don't see him in the top 4.


Why does that matter? He's a great option for the "3rd pairing".
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby sil on Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:15 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:Not surprising that they made a qualifying offer to Niskanen, but I'm not sure exactly how he projects going forward. I don't see him in the top 4.


Why does that matter? He's a great option for the "3rd pairing".


Depending on other factors...and opinions...his salary is the main concern. He's not exactly the most physical player either, which many feel is something our d-core sorely lacks.

All in all...while waiting to see how eveything else shakes down...I'm glad he was tendered the offer. He earned it with strong and smart play last season!
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby thehockeyguru on Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:22 pm

That's really what I was getting at. I don't know how much we can spend in a long term deal on a guy who doesn't factor in the Top 4.
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby steelhammer on Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:23 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:Not surprising that they made a qualifying offer to Niskanen, but I'm not sure exactly how he projects going forward. I don't see him in the top 4.


I agree. I think people are a little TOO excited about him. His swing status between top 4 and bottom pairing actually makes him more expendable in my eyes.
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby Rylan on Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:23 pm

I am pretty sure Niskanen in a few years would be top 4 on most teams.
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby thehockeyguru on Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:13 pm

Rylan wrote:I am pretty sure Niskanen in a few years would be top 4 on most teams.


If we have add a physical defenseman and pencil him into the 5-6 pairing with Niskanen. Then move Despres into a Top 4 role I'm confident our blueline will be just fine. I'd like to add a PP QB, but I just don't see that available unless you make a trade.

If you can add Setoguchi for Martin then our Top 9 is pretty much set.

I just don't see us being very active at all in free agency.
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby Arlow on Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:15 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
Rylan wrote:I am pretty sure Niskanen in a few years would be top 4 on most teams.


If we have add a physical defenseman and pencil him into the 5-6 pairing with Niskanen. Then move Despres into a Top 4 role I'm confident our blueline will be just fine. I'd like to add a PP QB, but I just don't see that available unless you make a trade.

If you can add Setoguchi for Martin then our Top 9 is pretty much set.

I just don't see us being very active at all in free agency.


:thumb: I like it.
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby sil on Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:20 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
Rylan wrote:I am pretty sure Niskanen in a few years would be top 4 on most teams.


If we have add a physical defenseman and pencil him into the 5-6 pairing with Niskanen. Then move Despres into a Top 4 role I'm confident our blueline will be just fine. I'd like to add a PP QB, but I just don't see that available unless you make a trade.

If you can add Setoguchi for Martin then our Top 9 is pretty much set.

I just don't see us being very active at all in free agency.


Well, Martin for Setoguchi is no certainty.
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby thehockeyguru on Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:31 pm

I know it isn't, but its how I would attempt to change things.

Malkin/Crosby/Neal
Kunitz/Staal/Setoguchi
Dupuis/UFA/Kennedy
Cooke/Adams/Tangradi

UFA: Gaustad or Stoll type player
Extras: Jeffery/Vitale

Letang/Michalek
Orpik/Despres
Niskanen/UFA

Extras: Engellend/Lovejoy

The Pens have will have roughly 6M to sign 2 UFA's (3rd line C, 5/6 Defenseman)
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:42 pm

You'd put Malkin on the wing before putting Staal or Sid on the wing?
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby sil on Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:59 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:I know it isn't, but its how I would attempt to change things.

Malkin/Crosby/Neal
Kunitz/Staal/Setoguchi
Dupuis/UFA/Kennedy
Cooke/Adams/Tangradi

UFA: Gaustad or Stoll type player
Extras: Jeffery/Vitale

Letang/Michalek
Orpik/Despres
Niskanen/UFA

Extras: Engellend/Lovejoy

The Pens have will have roughly 6M to sign 2 UFA's (3rd line C, 5/6 Defenseman)


Just let Lovejoy ride the waivers (and possibly get snatched up)...Strait and/or Bortuzzo would be better suited...or you could even try to go after Bryan Allen or Gill to give you that big-bodied defender that can push people around in front of Fleury/Vokoun. Send Jeffrey up to MINNY along with Martin to help seal the deal. Sign McClement for that third line C job...we certainly don't need more offense at the sacrifice of D...and we could pay him 2M-2.25M for 2-3 years to really give us a defensive anchor on the bottom-6. Make Tangradi earn it for winger depth. I'd also look at a couple bottom-line bangers in Tootoo, Asham, or Crabb...though Tootoo would cost the most.

Also, regarding Setoguchi...while I still think Minny won't go for it...I like the idea because Devin has a real nice and underrated physical side to his game...he can pack a punch when he wants to. He's a bit of primadonna and diver, but...well, anyway...

Also...just for the fun of it...I want to re-arrange your lines...

Kunitz | Malkin | Neal
Staal | Crosby | Setoguchi
Cooke | McClement | Dupuis
Tangradi/Asham | Vitale | Kennedy
x Adams

Letang | Allen (Vokoun will help lure him in :wink: )
Orpik | Michalek
Niskanen | Despres
Engellend | Bortuzzo/Strait

MAF
Vokoun
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Re: To-do-list for GM Ray Shero

Postby thehockeyguru on Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:18 pm

I can't stomach playing a great 2 way player like Staal on wing.
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