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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby Malkamaniac on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:57 am

Mr. Colby wrote:Fleury was not "over-worked". Fleury's a head case. Hopefully having Vokoun around will ensure he doesn't let his mind wander and lose his focus


3 years of 65 or 65+ tend to disagree with you.
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby sil on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:57 am

jimreb wrote:Like others have mentioned.....the thought here is:

More Rest For Fleury, hopefully will be fresher for playoffs.
Have a better backup, which will lead to more wins and points in the standings, easier first round opponent.
If Fleury gets injured, still have a legitimate starting NHL goaltender.
For 2 million per, that's a steal.


Connsider that second one...and then consider that goalies not named Fleury got us, what?, a combined 8 points last season? that's pathetic. Vokoun should easily get us 8 points in his first 7 starts.
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby meow on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:00 am

This has me thinking, what is Jocelyn Thibault up to?
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby AlexPKeaton on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:01 am

Hawkeynut wrote:
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Malkamaniac wrote:Yup, it's entirely MAF's fault. Let's go that route.


Clearly RS thought MAF was a big reason why the Pens can't do anything in the playoffs, as he just signed the best backup goalie in the league.


Cory Schneider has something to say about that last statement you made. :)


Well I should revise that to best backup available for a reasonable price.
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby sil on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:02 am

AlexPKeaton wrote:
Hawkeynut wrote:
AlexPKeaton wrote:
Malkamaniac wrote:Yup, it's entirely MAF's fault. Let's go that route.


Clearly RS thought MAF was a big reason why the Pens can't do anything in the playoffs, as he just signed the best backup goalie in the league.


Cory Schneider has something to say about that last statement you made. :)


Well I should revise that to best backup available for a reasonable price.


I wouldn't be so sure that Schneider will be a "backup" in 2012-13.
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby Mr. Colby on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:03 am

Malkamaniac wrote:
Mr. Colby wrote:Fleury was not "over-worked". Fleury's a head case. Hopefully having Vokoun around will ensure he doesn't let his mind wander and lose his focus


3 years of 65 or 65+ tend to disagree with you.


I wouldn't consider that "overworked".

2011-12: 64 starts, 10th overall (Quick was 4th)

2010-11: 62 starts, 10th overall

2009-10: 66 starts, 10th overall

I wouldn't consider starting 78% of the games over the past 3 seasons as over-work... isn't that what you would expect out of your franchise goalie?
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby Bathgate on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:04 am

jimreb wrote:I said it tongue and cheek before, but I really wouldn't be shocked to see a Fleury for Price trade......Montreal would love to have a star French Canadian goaltender.


That deal might have been possible before the 2010 playoffs. The Canadiens saw the Fleury Follies in person that year. They would never want him now. No GM would want him at his salary. He is untradeable I believe.
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby AlexPKeaton on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:04 am

sil wrote:
AlexPKeaton wrote:
Hawkeynut wrote:
AlexPKeaton wrote:
Malkamaniac wrote:Yup, it's entirely MAF's fault. Let's go that route.


Clearly RS thought MAF was a big reason why the Pens can't do anything in the playoffs, as he just signed the best backup goalie in the league.


Cory Schneider has something to say about that last statement you made. :)


Well I should revise that to best backup available for a reasonable price.


I wouldn't be so sure that Schneider will be a "backup" in 2012-13.


That is what I meant by reasonable price. Not going to sign him to be a backup for $2m per year lol.
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby Mr. Colby on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:05 am

2008-09: 61 starts, 9th overall - didn't seem to be overworked that time
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby columbia on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:06 am

This is a pretty blatant move to lure Jagr, with another Czech on the team.
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby Froggy on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:08 am

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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby JS© on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:09 am

Mad City Mike wrote:
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Now I'm confused whether I like this or not. $2m is a lot for a backup goaltender, especially for the situation that the Pens are in with the salary cap.


You're assuming he'll be the backup. I wouldn't bet against a Fleury trade.


Not saying it would happen, but I'd be surprised if it did.
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby sil on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:09 am

Assuming the cap is $70,000,000...

Malkin | $8,700,000
Crosby | $8,700,000
Neal | $5,000,000
Staal | $4,000,000
Kunitz | $3,725,000
Kennedy | $2,000,000
Cooke | $1,800,000
Dupuis | $1,500,000
Adams | $675,000
Jeffrey | $575,000
Vitale | $550,000

Martin | $5,000,000
Michalek | $4,000,000
Orpik | $3,750,000
Letang | $3,500,000
Despres | $840,000
Engellend | $566,667
Lovejoy | $525,000

Fleury | $5,000,000
Vokoun | $2,000,000

RFA's
Tangradi | ? $850,000
Niskanen | ? $2,000,000

That's 22-players ((2) G, (8) D, and (12) F) signed for $65,256,667. Remove Jeffrey and Lovejoy, and we have $5,843,000 to sign (2) forwards.
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby Malkamaniac on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:09 am

Mr. Colby wrote:2008-09: 61 starts, 9th overall - didn't seem to be overworked that time


Under 65 starts. You pretty much proved what I was telling you.
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby crush_lives_723 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:10 am

This is a pretty blatant move to lure Jagr, with another Czech on the team.


I hope not, Jagr is a ***** bag and I dont want him on this team.
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby Froggy on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:10 am

that looks like plenty of money to sign a couple role players, and still leave a bit left over to use for staal next season
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby Malkamaniac on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:11 am

Froggy wrote:that looks like plenty of money to sign a couple role players, and still leave a bit left over to use for staal next season


Also not counting if they trade either of Martin or Z.
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby columbia on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:11 am

sil wrote:Assuming the cap is $70,000,000...

Malkin | $8,700,000
Crosby | $8,700,000
Neal | $5,000,000
Staal | $4,000,000
Kunitz | $3,725,000
Kennedy | $2,000,000
Cooke | $1,800,000
Dupuis | $1,500,000
Adams | $675,000
Jeffrey | $575,000
Vitale | $550,000

Martin | $5,000,000
Michalek | $4,000,000
Orpik | $3,750,000
Letang | $3,500,000
Despres | $840,000
Engellend | $566,667
Lovejoy | $525,000

Fleury | $5,000,000
Vokoun | $2,000,000

RFA's
Tangradi | ? $850,000
Niskanen | ? $2,000,000

That's 22-players ((2) G, (8) D, and (12) F) signed for $65,256,667. Remove Jeffrey and Lovejoy, and we have $5,843,000 to sign (2) forwards.


They'll still need a 7th D, even if Lovejoy were gone....one that would probably cost more than his cap hit too.
I still think there is another trade or two afoot.
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby sil on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:11 am

Malkamaniac wrote:
Froggy wrote:that looks like plenty of money to sign a couple role players, and still leave a bit left over to use for staal next season


Also not counting if they trade either of Martin or Z.


I really have a feeling Shero will attempt to move Martin at the draft.
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby Mr. Colby on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:12 am

Malkamaniac wrote:
Mr. Colby wrote:2008-09: 61 starts, 9th overall - didn't seem to be overworked that time


Under 65 starts. You pretty much proved what I was telling you.


Yeah, those 3 extra starts are definitely what did it
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby sil on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:12 am

columbia wrote:
sil wrote:Assuming the cap is $70,000,000...

Malkin | $8,700,000
Crosby | $8,700,000
Neal | $5,000,000
Staal | $4,000,000
Kunitz | $3,725,000
Kennedy | $2,000,000
Cooke | $1,800,000
Dupuis | $1,500,000
Adams | $675,000
Jeffrey | $575,000
Vitale | $550,000

Martin | $5,000,000
Michalek | $4,000,000
Orpik | $3,750,000
Letang | $3,500,000
Despres | $840,000
Engellend | $566,667
Lovejoy | $525,000

Fleury | $5,000,000
Vokoun | $2,000,000

RFA's
Tangradi | ? $850,000
Niskanen | ? $2,000,000

That's 22-players ((2) G, (8) D, and (12) F) signed for $65,256,667. Remove Jeffrey and Lovejoy, and we have $5,843,000 to sign (2) forwards.


They'll still need a 7th D, even if Lovejoy were gone....one that would probably cost more than his cap hit too.
I still think there is another trade or two afoot.


It's (8) D with Lovejoy. Maritn, Michalek, Orpik, Letang, Despres, Niskanen, Engellend.
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby Malkamaniac on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:13 am

Mr. Colby wrote:
Malkamaniac wrote:
Mr. Colby wrote:2008-09: 61 starts, 9th overall - didn't seem to be overworked that time


Under 65 starts. You pretty much proved what I was telling you.


Yeah, those 3 extra starts are definitely what did it


Torts said as much in regards to Lundy. Obviously you or I have never played in the NHL so I'm going by what coaches and people that are there are saying.
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby Froggy on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:15 am

also, how many appearances with no decision did fleury have to make this year when johnson crapped the bed? didn't fleury appear in like 20 straight games around the middle of the season?
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby steelhammer on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:15 am

mikey287 wrote:$2 million for a guy that can play a very good amount of games, at a high level. $2 million isn't worth what it used to be. In fact, it's roughly worth what $1 million was in 2006. The Pens have skimped on backups since Fleury's been here, now we have - evidently - a security blanket. A guy we can confidently play 2 games out of 3, or 3 in a row if need be. When's the last time we really had that? So we spent an extra $750,000 or $1 million on arguably the league's best backup goalie...I'm not really that concerned...


$2M is still a very hefty price to pay for a backup. I doubt you will see very many of those; especially now where we are seeing the devaluation of goalies in general. Maybe in a 1A/1B situation, but this contract is a huge indictment on Fleury.
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Re: Penguins acquire rights to Vokoun.

Postby Malkamaniac on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:15 am

Pretty good article on the starts of a goalie and the success they've had for the ones that have won.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=611922

But, safe to say, having a goalie play in 80 percent is not an ideal slice of the puck-stopping pie. Likewise, less than 55 percent poses the risk of not having a main guy who can find a groove. The magic number lies somewhere in between.
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