Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

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Who would you sign?

Nash via trade
1
1%
Parise
72
69%
Suter
18
17%
Weber via trade (RFA)
14
13%
 
Total votes : 105

Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby lemieuxReturns on Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:45 pm

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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby Bioshock on Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:29 pm

You have to take care of your captain.

-He has taken less to get weapons for the team
-You got Malkin his winger
-You Spent on the blue line

When is it gonna be Crosby's turn? When will Shero take care of the man who is essentially his meal ticket? If not now, when will you ever get the winger for Crosby? I would rather get Parise at 8 or 9 million and let the young guys who are coming up, take care of the defense. These guys are studs and can handle it.

Having a disgruntled Crosby will be far worse than having a hole on the blue line, i can tell ya that much.
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby KG on Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:36 pm



Good article....Don't have to sell me..I'm in!
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby Pens15 on Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:38 pm

Bioshock wrote:You have to take care of your captain.

-He has taken less to get weapons for the team
-You got Malkin his winger
-You Spent on the blue line

When is it gonna be Crosby's turn? When will Shero take care of the man who is essentially his meal ticket? If not now, when will you ever get the winger for Crosby? I would rather get Parise at 8 or 9 million and let the young guys who are coming up, take care of the defense. These guys are studs and can handle it.

Having a disgruntled Crosby will be far worse than having a hole on the blue line, i can tell ya that much.


I basically agree, although it should be pointed out that Neal wasn't acquired for Malkin. In fact, he was acquired for Crosby. Just so happened that he and Malkin kicked so much ass in Crosby's absence that they are now terribly reluctant to break them up.
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby brwi on Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:56 pm

Pens15 wrote:
Bioshock wrote:You have to take care of your captain.

-He has taken less to get weapons for the team
-You got Malkin his winger
-You Spent on the blue line

When is it gonna be Crosby's turn? When will Shero take care of the man who is essentially his meal ticket? If not now, when will you ever get the winger for Crosby? I would rather get Parise at 8 or 9 million and let the young guys who are coming up, take care of the defense. These guys are studs and can handle it.

Having a disgruntled Crosby will be far worse than having a hole on the blue line, i can tell ya that much.


I basically agree, although it should be pointed out that Neal wasn't acquired for Malkin. In fact, he was acquired for Crosby. Just so happened that he and Malkin kicked so much ass in Crosby's absence that they are now terribly reluctant to break them up.


I think it had more to do with the fact that when Sid is healthy, it's going to be Kunitz-Sid-Dupuis usually as the #1 line, and I don't think Neal was acquired to go on Crosby's wing in the first place. When Neal was traded for, the big drop-off was on Malkin's line as they were trying insert-your-Kennedy-or-Cooke here as a winger and that was holding Malkin back. Sykora was gone, Satan had busted out big time on either Sid or Malkin's line....Neal also plays a game that is more suited to having Malkin at center than Sid.

It's pretty simple: if you're going to play with 87, you had better be able to REALLY skate all night long. Dupuis can handle that no problem because he's a helluva skater. Hossa is another guy who is a great skater and did well with Sid. The fact that Hossa is also a guy who creates his own offense without relying 100% on an excellent playmaking center didn't hurt either. Kunitz can manage it OK, better than someone like Ryan Malone who whined about the tempo. Neal? He's right where he should be.
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby lemieuxReturns on Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:20 pm

I really think parise is exactly the winger Sid needs. Hossa was awesome but parise is even better. The guy is tenacious all game.
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby SolidSnake on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:01 pm

penny lane wrote:As ever, Glen Sather and NYR will be in the mix
Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie
Sather today: "I think we're going to be fairly aggressive in free agent market."

At least we know that NYR is one team Parise won't go too.
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby pens2005 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:56 am

How is Nash considered a UFA if he still has 6 years remaining on his contract? Totally confused on this one.
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby Pens15 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:09 am

SolidSnake wrote:
penny lane wrote:As ever, Glen Sather and NYR will be in the mix
Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie
Sather today: "I think we're going to be fairly aggressive in free agent market."

At least we know that NYR is one team Parise won't go too.


I wouldn't necessarily rule them out just based on Parise's comment. If they want to make a bid on July 1, I'm sure Parise isn't going to tell them to get lost.
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby Kovy27 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:32 pm

I think Suter and Parise are possible, if you move Martin...

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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby mikey287 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:37 pm

Ryan Suter hometown discount? Are we the Madison Penguins? I'm all for it, but I think that's a bargain basement price for him...
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby Kovy27 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:38 pm

mikey287 wrote:Ryan Suter hometown discount? Are we the Madison Penguins? I'm all for it, but I think that's a bargain basement price for him...


You think he's going to get 8 mill? I really don't think he's going to get that....could be wrong.
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby mikey287 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:46 pm

Kovy27 wrote:
mikey287 wrote:Ryan Suter hometown discount? Are we the Madison Penguins? I'm all for it, but I think that's a bargain basement price for him...


You think he's going to get 8 mill? I really don't think he's going to get that....could be wrong.


Meh, maybe not 8. But given the limited amount of free agent defenseman that one could classify as top pairing...I'll list the rest of them here:

Spoiler:
There they are:


I'd find it odd if he couldn't at least push the $6.5M area. Unfair to say he won't get into Bouwmeester territory?
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby Pens15 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:48 pm

I think Suter could get 8 from Detroit, because with the retirement of LIdstrom, they have a great need, and they have the room to overpay for him. That's why I'd still say they are the heavy favorites to land him. They'll pay whatever it takes.
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby mikey287 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:49 pm

The "Lidstrom" cap is officially off in Detroit. Nervous sweat from Illitch...
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby PensOnDVD on Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:59 pm

Crosby got Hossa.

Crosby got Kunitz.

Crosby got Guerin.

If Crosby wasn't hurt to start last season, he would have gotten Neal too.

Malkin got Neal because Sid wasn't there. Even after they got Neal last season it was always with the hope that he would play with a returning Sid.
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby pugilist13 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:16 pm

July 1st 12:05 PM

Zach Parise signs multi year contract with Pittsburgh Penguins.

Ryan Suter signs multi year contract with Detroit Red Wings.
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby mikey287 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:22 pm

More like July 2nd 4:28 PM

Bryan Allen signs 2 year deal with Penguins
Guillaume Latendresse signs 1 year deal with Penguins
Brad Winchester agrees to 2-year deal with Pens

4:29 PM

The first fire Shero thread of the offseason is started.
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby bhaw on Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:25 pm

pugilist13 wrote:July 1st 12:05 PM

Zach Parise signs multi year contract with Pittsburgh Penguins.

Ryan Suter signs multi year contract with Detroit Red Wings.


I feel like this is the most likely scenario if either of them are coming our way. As bad as our D was vs Philly, it wasn't as much a personnel issue as a systematic issue. Well, probably equally both, but if the entire team doesn't melt down and forget where they are and what they are doing, you don't have everyone wanting to gut the entire D.

I think we go into the season with Martin on the team and see how he recovers unless Shero gets an overwhelming offer for him AND can sign another major dman. Shero values defense too much to go into the season with his pants down on the blue line.
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby Pavel Bure on Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:26 pm

mikey287 wrote:More like July 2nd 4:28 PM

Bryan Allen signs 2 year deal with Penguins
Guillaume Latendresse signs 1 year deal with Penguins
Brad Winchester agrees to 2-year deal with Pens

4:29 PM

The first fire Shero thread of the offseason is started.

I guess Cory Sarich signed the day before that.
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby Pavel Bure on Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:28 pm

bhaw wrote:
pugilist13 wrote:July 1st 12:05 PM

Zach Parise signs multi year contract with Pittsburgh Penguins.

Ryan Suter signs multi year contract with Detroit Red Wings.


I feel like this is the most likely scenario if either of them are coming our way. As bad as our D was vs Philly, it wasn't as much a personnel issue as a systematic issue. Well, probably equally both, but if the entire team doesn't melt down and forget where they are and what they are doing, you don't have everyone wanting to gut the entire D.

I think we go into the season with Martin on the team and see how he recovers unless Shero gets an overwhelming offer for him AND can sign another major dman. Shero values defense too much to go into the season with his pants down on the blue line.

Think Martin/Suter pairing would be told to go out and minimize chances while Orpik/Letang can freewheel going for offense and hits?
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby mikey287 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:33 pm

Pavel Bure wrote:
mikey287 wrote:More like July 2nd 4:28 PM

Bryan Allen signs 2 year deal with Penguins
Guillaume Latendresse signs 1 year deal with Penguins
Brad Winchester agrees to 2-year deal with Pens

4:29 PM

The first fire Shero thread of the offseason is started.

I guess Cory Sarich signed the day before that.


Nope, RS just didn't want a righty...
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby bhaw on Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:35 pm

I just think the deck is too stacked against getting Suter.

1. he wants to be out West
2. it sounds like he's going to give Nashville the opportunity to match if they want
3. the Wings have a ton of money and need to replace the best defenseman most of us will ever see
4. the Pens need a winger just to fill out the roster while they have a surplus of NHL defensemen
5. we just got burned trying to go this route with Martin and Michalek
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby cerp66 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:49 pm

Hands down Parise....and that's who it WILL be. :wink:
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Re: Nash, Parise, Suter, or Weber

Postby winger on Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:55 pm

Has anyone even explored the difficult situation of Parise and Dupuis both wearing # 9? I'm sure it is a sticking point with the agent.
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