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Re: Lockout

Postby mikey287 on Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:38 pm

Meetings today, news is relatively positive. NHL presents new offer that will be evaluated and responded to (July 13 proposal was not responded to)...players on hand to discuss as well...Bettman: "We're close on revenue sharing" (a major point in the NHLPA offer). Fairly productive day all things considered. NHLPA counter-offer should give a rough idea of whether this gets done on time or not...I still, as I have this whole time, believe this will be done in a timely manner...
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Re: Lockout

Postby newarenanow on Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:52 pm

mikey287 wrote:Meetings today, news is relatively positive. NHL presents new offer that will be evaluated and responded to (July 13 proposal was not responded to)...players on hand to discuss as well...Bettman: "We're close on revenue sharing" (a major point in the NHLPA offer). Fairly productive day all things considered. NHLPA counter-offer should give a rough idea of whether this gets done on time or not...I still, as I have this whole time, believe this will be done in a timely manner...


I agree. I honestly think they realize that it was only 6 years ago that they lost an entire season, and fans aren't going to put up with a prolonged fight.

At worst, I see it as an NFL type lockout where the preseason might be cut short, but the regular season will be unaffected at the worst.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Fire0nice228 on Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:00 pm

Michael Grange ‏@michaelgrange

Meeting is done #NHL #NHLPA #notgood
Retweeted by Michael Russo


Whys he say no good?
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Re: Lockout

Postby mikey287 on Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:03 pm

Two things:
Grange has clown tendencies...
He might have different standards/understanding...maybe anything that doesn't result in a done deal is a #notgood day for him...
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Re: Lockout

Postby TheHammer24 on Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:34 pm

IMO, the parties mean business. Only Bettman, his dupty, Fehr, and his assistant attended. They aren't messing around with grandstanding.
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Re: Lockout

Postby TheHammer24 on Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:35 pm

Also, there are only two real issues here: (1) Revenue Sharing, and (2) Division or HRR. Revenue sharing relates to how the rich owners will make up for the shortfall in league money that injures bad teams. Division of HRR relates to how the players will make up for it. Thus, they're really interrelated. If they're close on (1), then they can focus all of their attention on (2) and I think that'll be all of it. There's no secret that bad teams need help, and if the parties have begun to agree how the owners will make up the shorftfall, I have to assume the players are realizing what their portion will look like.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Hugo Stiglitz on Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:23 pm

What really bothers me is that they're not meeting every single day...
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Re: Lockout

Postby mikey287 on Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:26 pm

Hugo Stiglitz wrote:What really bothers me is that they're not meeting every single day...


Must take time to digest new information and discuss it with many channels then form questions, comments and counter-proposals. These are major documents here. They aren't just scribbling down a number on a napkin and sliding it across the table. Much to consider...
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Re: Lockout

Postby no name on Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:17 am

mikey287 wrote:
Hugo Stiglitz wrote:What really bothers me is that they're not meeting every single day...


Must take time to digest new information and discuss it with many channels then form questions, comments and counter-proposals. These are major documents here. They aren't just scribbling down a number on a napkin and sliding it across the table. Much to consider...



Made me :lol: , the napkin comment.
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Re: Lockout

Postby columbia on Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:20 am

7 Brilliant Ideas Scribbled On Cocktail Napkins and Toilet Papers
http://www.neatorama.com/2009/03/05/7-b ... et-papers/
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Re: Lockout

Postby brwi on Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:00 am

Pretty serious new proposal by the owners. I'm interested in how they work out the fact that 3 teams at least would immediately be over this year's proposed 60 mil salary cap(Pens, Flyers, Sabres as of now), but this proposal looks like one that will bring both sides a lot closer to the finish line than what has been proposed before. A lot more optimistic now than a few days ago that the NHL season could start on time!
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Re: Lockout

Postby newarenanow on Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:57 am

Hugo Stiglitz wrote:What really bothers me is that they're not meeting every single day...


I don't think there has ever been a negotiation where people meet every single day.

There is so much information to go through, so much to think about, what to counter with, if they met every single day, there would be days where they just sit there because there is no new information.

Patience.
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Re: Lockout

Postby penny lane on Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:27 am

Allan Walsh ‏@walsha
These % are meaningless unless same definition of HRR as in current CBA. Last NHL proposal, 46% to players but really 43%. @DarrenDreger

:o

Kevin Paul Dupont ‏@GlobeKPD
3 of 11 PA players now diagnosed with concussions after today's brief meeting with NHL. Shanahan reviewing tape.

8-)
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Re: Lockout

Postby Factorial on Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:04 pm

A good breakdown of the latest offer from the NHL:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=404044

Hopefully after a few more rounds of counter offers and concessions they will come to an agreement.
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Re: Lockout

Postby offsides on Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:33 pm

Factorial wrote:A good breakdown of the latest offer from the NHL:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=404044

Hopefully after a few more rounds of counter offers and concessions they will come to an agreement.


Ok, I admit this is far over my head. I really don't understand this section.

"The cap for 2012-13 - projected to be $70.2 million under the existing CBA - would be cut to a fixed $58 million under the latest proposal."

What I don't understand is how teams that are now at the 70 million dollar cap get to a 58 million dollar cap. I am sure there is an explanation, I just have no idea what it is. I am sure someone can help me out here.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Dan H on Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:51 pm

offsides wrote:(snip) What I don't understand is how teams that are now at the 70 million dollar cap get to a 58 million dollar cap. I am sure there is an explanation, I just have no idea what it is. I am sure someone can help me out here.

Didn't they just blanket reduce all player contract salaries by X percent in 2005? I don't know that the same idea is on the table, but that's one way the teams could get under a suddenly lower cap.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Factorial on Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:12 pm

The players would pay into the escrow x% their salaries to get to the new cap. The escrow funds go back to the owners.
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Re: Lockout

Postby offsides on Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:46 pm

Factorial wrote:The players would pay into the escrow x% their salaries to get to the new cap. The escrow funds go back to the owners.


OK, so all players on teams above 58 million would take a pay cut depending on how much over 58 million the team is and players on teams at or below the 58 million would not take a pay cut?
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Re: Lockout

Postby Factorial on Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:25 pm

That's the way I understand it. So players on teams going to the "cap" would be most effected. Sucks for the lower paying players to have to give back anything.
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Re: Lockout

Postby offsides on Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:43 pm

I can't see the players accepting that but I guess time will tell.
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Re: Lockout

Postby MRandall25 on Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:47 pm

FWIW they're supposed to present a counter-offer tomorrow or Friday
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Re: Lockout

Postby Gaucho on Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:32 am

How much of the NFL's revenues go to the players?
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Re: Lockout

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:19 pm

I can't imagine it wouldn't be a escrow% from all players salaries. The union isn't going to divide itself by doing anything else.
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Re: Lockout

Postby shafnutz05 on Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:28 pm

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod
After speaking w/ his agent, @DennisTFP has confirmed Crosby would consider playing overseas if there's a long lockout:


http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/pit120830.html

A lot of people on this board will have a total and complete meltdown if Crosby is seriously considering this. If he actually follows through, the board may explode.
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Re: Lockout

Postby columbia on Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:32 pm

Meh...he should go play on the same team as Richard Park.
Switzerland is a beautiful country.
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