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Re: Lockout

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:51 pm

I'll wait for the NHLPA presser.
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Re: Lockout

Postby no name on Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:37 pm

MRandall25 wrote:I'll wait for the NHLPA presser.



I don't want to hear from them, it will just get me more depressed.

One question.. Do the players ever get to a point where they will vote on something... Or is there a comittee under Fehr that will vote on something. Cause if Fehr has total control, we will not have hockey this season.
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Re: Lockout

Postby SolidSnake on Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:44 pm

MRandall25 wrote:Better than that Russo guy from Minnesota who thinks everything that's happening is bad and no good can come out of anything, then claims "sources" say nothing is going well, even though he's the only one getting these "sources"...

Seriously, he looks like the only person covering this who "knows" how talks went before anyone says anything. Much more inclined to believe someone who doesn't write for a local paper.

He's living off his "Parise to Minnesota" call
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Re: Lockout

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:46 pm

no name wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:I'll wait for the NHLPA presser.



I don't want to hear from them, it will just get me more depressed.

One question.. Do the players ever get to a point where they will vote on something... Or is there a comittee under Fehr that will vote on something. Cause if Fehr has total control, we will not have hockey this season.


Just as if there are 8 teams who don't want something, we'll never get a season.

Goes both ways. Don't know why you're incapable of seeing that.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Bioshock on Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:56 pm

Gaucho wrote:Michael Russo ‏@Russostrib
Sources: #NHL perplexed #NHLPA did not inform players they are willing to go 50/50 and "Make Whole" every cent + interest by Year 3


If Fehr is hiding things from the players... This could be really bad in ways in don't even understand.
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Re: Lockout

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:04 pm

Bioshock wrote:
Gaucho wrote:Michael Russo ‏@Russostrib
Sources: #NHL perplexed #NHLPA did not inform players they are willing to go 50/50 and "Make Whole" every cent + interest by Year 3


If Fehr is hiding things from the players... This could be really bad in ways in don't even understand.


Friedman says he was told by a player that they knew it would be leaked if he told the PA, and they didn't want details going public.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Bioshock on Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:10 pm

Michael Grange ‏@michaelgrange

So the blog my @Russostrib is fascinating stuff: The NHL is clearly trying to drive a wedge between Fehr and the players.

Michael Grange ‏@michaelgrange

If it's accurate in saying Fehr didn't present those details to the players -- and they aren't in the memo -- it's pretty troubling 2/2
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Re: Lockout

Postby Bioshock on Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:10 pm

Michael Grange ‏@michaelgrange

3rd time NHL has gone over NHLPA -- posting offer on web site and then the 48-hour lift of bylaws so owners could talk to players 3/3
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Re: Lockout

Postby Bioshock on Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:11 pm

Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie

Told that PA proposed that players get last year's share plus 5 pct this yr regardless of schedule length/actual revenue...

Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie

Last year's share was 1.883B...plus 5 pct would be $1.977B...would likely eat 65-67 pct of revenue in 66-68 game season.
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Re: Lockout

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:14 pm

Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline
Almost every #NHL player I've spoken with the last two months - especially the veterans - have raved about #NHLPA transparency under Fehr.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Bioshock on Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:17 pm

Man... Twitter has changed the landscape of information availability.
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Re: Lockout

Postby no name on Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:20 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
no name wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:I'll wait for the NHLPA presser.



I don't want to hear from them, it will just get me more depressed.

One question.. Do the players ever get to a point where they will vote on something... Or is there a comittee under Fehr that will vote on something. Cause if Fehr has total control, we will not have hockey this season.


Just as if there are 8 teams who don't want something, we'll never get a season.

Goes both ways. Don't know why you're incapable of seeing that.


Incapable of seeing what?? We know the Hierarchy of the owners, Bettman works out a deal, puts it up to a vote to the owners. Its either shotdown or accpeted.

My question is what is the Hierarchy of the players??? Fehr works out a deal, what happens after that?? That was my question.
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Re: Lockout

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:21 pm

Rob Rossi is congratulating Russo for his article... we know he's making it up :pop:
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Re: Lockout

Postby nocera on Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:42 pm

Is it over yet?
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Re: Lockout

Postby offsides on Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:00 pm

nocera wrote:Is it over yet?


When will it be over for you? :)
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Re: Lockout

Postby Lt. Dish on Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:04 pm

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I'm at my wits' end.
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Re: Lockout

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:08 pm

It appears as though the NHL is trying to lie and create a divide in the players. Not very effective so far.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Godric on Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:12 pm

MRandall25 wrote:It appears as though the NHL is trying to lie and create a divide in the players. Not very effective so far.


How do you know its a lie?
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Re: Lockout

Postby SolidSnake on Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:17 pm

@Real_ESPNLeBrun
Fehr says NHLPA doesn't feel it is as far apart on core economic issues as NHL says they are...
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Re: Lockout

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:21 pm

Godric wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:It appears as though the NHL is trying to lie and create a divide in the players. Not very effective so far.


How do you know its a lie?


Because just about everyone on the players' side (meaning the players and Fehr) has denied it. Also, see what I posted earlier.
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Re: Lockout

Postby mikey287 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:53 pm

Minor points:

- Not sure what the NHL is allegedly lying about, I'll need that explained.
- Russo is a quality reporter with good sources. Has been for a while. I'm not sure what he's done that makes people believe otherwise - maybe I missed something - but just because he's not saying what you want to hear doesn't make him bad at reporting or illegitimate...
- The terrorist is still fighting for de-linkage it looks like. Evidently, a recent proposal saw the players get 57+5%...57+5 rarely works out to 50%...very rarely.
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Re: Lockout

Postby MRandall25 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:23 am

NHL is trying to drive a wedge in the players by saying Fehr is hiding parts of the deal from them, when just about every player involved is saying everything is transparent to them.

Not sure how that isn't lying.
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Re: Lockout

Postby mikey287 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:52 am

It sounds like the league is saying: Fehr is making interpretations of proposals and sending out his feelings on it without a full-text of a proposal for full evaluation. That's what it sounded like to me. No telling if that's true or not.

Additionally, why would the players show anything but unity by just saying, "yeah, we're informed on everything" ...not saying the players are lying, but, no one from the union is going to go, "hey! this isn't right" at this point in the conversation, that's just silly...
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Re: Lockout

Postby Tim Thomasen on Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:15 am

Ugh with all this.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Gaucho on Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:13 am

What is so depressing is the sheer inevitability of the whole situation. And knowing that when the next CBA expires there will, of course, be another lockout.
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