opie22002 wrote:I think it's time for Mario to step in.
It's tough to fix a garage league.
opie22002 wrote:I think it's time for Mario to step in.
Bioshock wrote:opie22002 wrote:I think it's time for Mario to step in.
Unfortunately, i don't think Mario has much respect in the NHL outside of Pittsburgh. People respect his accomplishments on the ice but remember what happened when he came out against what the Islanders did? Low lives like Garth Snow openly mocked him in public. I can't remember the exact quote and I'm paraphrasing here but i remember someone in the NHL saying, "If Mario wants to change the game so much, how about he shows up to ANY of our meetings."
I don't think Mario should step into this unless he brings Burkle with him. Otherwise, this could be extremely ugly.
BurghersAndDogsSports wrote:Bioshock wrote:opie22002 wrote:I think it's time for Mario to step in.
Unfortunately, i don't think Mario has much respect in the NHL outside of Pittsburgh. People respect his accomplishments on the ice but remember what happened when he came out against what the Islanders did? Low lives like Garth Snow openly mocked him in public. I can't remember the exact quote and I'm paraphrasing here but i remember someone in the NHL saying, "If Mario wants to change the game so much, how about he shows up to ANY of our meetings."
I don't think Mario should step into this unless he brings Burkle with him. Otherwise, this could be extremely ugly.
Yeah, there is a lot to touch on here. But first, (and as you I am not claiming to be stating fact) but would guess it would be hard for Mario to show up and make deal altering discussion happen. There seems to have been a lot of bad blood. The issue could be brought up that Mario has never been a very "active" NHL owner. That can be two fold - he doesnt want to be, or two which most people fail to realize he is not actually the owner. I imagine he is chairman for name only. There are tons of minority investors in sports. Rich powerful ones too.
The other issue is that Mario is a driving force for the Pens "player" wise and doesnt want to mortgage bad blood for future free agent signings (again just a complete guess).
That being said, I think deep down Mario cares but yes, he has battled his own league many times. The garage league stuff (if you go back and watch the clips of that game after which he said it, I think him and Jagr got thrown out) it was probably the worst officiating I have ever seen in my entire life, it almost bordered on "it cant really be that bad this has to be a joke". But beyond the officiating the infamous NY Islanders game took a % of my love for the game away too. I imagine how those involved felt. It was the aftermath in realizing that no other league would have stood for that. Yes, hockey has always had fighting, but the sucker punches (Talbot came close to having his year ended, 1/2 inch away from a sucker punch knockout blow) and beyond were frightening. The league in reality lucked out that the only player seriously hurt was Tangradi so the news ignored it.
It was after that game and the pathetic punishments doled out that I realized its never going to change, I need to accept that a few times per year I am going to really be disgusted (not - Roger Goodell random fines disgusted, but turn off the game, do something else disgusted).
It isnt out of the realm of reality that there have been more issues with Mario behind closed doors, that he fought for what he believes and there is bad blood. Or that he isnt welcome with not a lot of business background and not being the owner.
skullman80 wrote:Mario stepping in will do nothing.
shmenguin wrote:why would we assume the penguins, including lemieux, disapprove of the the league's stance?
firepower wrote:Unfortunatly for alot of NHL fans it looks like the NHL is trying to go the way of the twinkie. They'll probably lose a few teams, ... Phoenix, Florida ... Lose about 1/2 the fans in the U.S.(which may kill a few more teams), lose most of the TV and arena sponsorships(which may kill a few more teams), lose some star players in the process which will kill attendence in some areas(which may kill a few more teams).... Hmmmm might be the origional six all over again.
ulf wrote:Per Dregers twitter, Burkle wants to get involved.
MRandall25 wrote:ulf wrote:Per Dregers twitter, Burkle wants to get involved.
To me, that looked more speculative than anything. He's just throwing out names
pens_CT wrote:MRandall25 wrote:ulf wrote:Per Dregers twitter, Burkle wants to get involved.
To me, that looked more speculative than anything. He's just throwing out names
The players don't want to face Burkle. Hs is known as a tough negotiator from his days in dealing with the grocery store unions in California. The players would much rather face moderate owners who are willing to cave in. Burkle might be more moderate than Jacobs, but he isn't caving in to the players either.
Gaucho wrote:They still haven't decided?
columbia wrote:You really have to appreciate the sense of urgency in this process.
Gaucho wrote:They still haven't decided?
Bioshock wrote:Gaucho wrote:They still haven't decided?
Yep, the NHLPA is doing it's normal "Drag their feet" technique.
tfrizz wrote:Bioshock wrote:Gaucho wrote:They still haven't decided?
Yep, the NHLPA is doing it's normal "Drag their feet" technique.
Gotta figure it's more than just "dragging their feet". There's no way Fehr et al want this meeting to go through; they fear what may or may not be said without them there, especially when you're dealing with a business-savvy bunch of owners vs a bunch of relatively uneducated players. The "dragging" is almost certainly the fact that the players want to do it and the NHLPA execs don't want them to.
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