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Re: Lockout

Postby FreeCandy44 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:45 am

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Re: Lockout

Postby joopen on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:47 am

Ok so the players want their contracts fulfilled. Owners say OK but we want long term labor peace. Players respond with LULZ
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Re: Lockout

Postby MRandall25 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:49 am

joopen wrote:Ok so the players want their contracts fulfilled. Owners say OK but we want long term labor peace. Players respond with LULZ


It's not that. It's the fact they can't sign a deal for longer than 7 years during the entire CBA. Some players want the assurance that they'll be set contract-wise.
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Re: Lockout

Postby FreeCandy44 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:50 am

"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?"
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Re: Lockout

Postby joopen on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:51 am

MRandall25 wrote:
joopen wrote:Ok so the players want their contracts fulfilled. Owners say OK but we want long term labor peace. Players respond with LULZ


It's not that. It's the fact they can't sign a deal for longer than 7 years during the entire CBA. Some players want the assurance that they'll be set contract-wise.


So sign a new contract after 5 years?

The contracts are guaranteed. You want longer terms then let's talk about that
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Re: Lockout

Postby Godric on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:57 am

10 year CBA
$300M make whole
Unchanged UFA and arbitration rules
5% contract variance
5 year contract length (7 for own players)

and the players won't take it?

lulz they r retarded.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Gaucho on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:59 am

Guess you didn't read the fine print.
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Re: Lockout

Postby llipgh2 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:59 am

nocera wrote:
llipgh2 wrote:It's negotiations. It's going to ebb and flow.


We've been saying this since July. Too much ebb and flow.


No, it's been posturing by both sides since July. The first real negotiating started this week.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Godric on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:00 pm

Gaucho wrote:Guess you didn't read the fine print.


?
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Re: Lockout

Postby Godric on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:00 pm

llipgh2 wrote:
nocera wrote:
llipgh2 wrote:It's negotiations. It's going to ebb and flow.


We've been saying this since July. Too much ebb and flow.


No, it's been posturing by both sides since July. The first real negotiating started this week.


I'd argue its been more posturing on the players side this week as well.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Gaucho on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:01 pm

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
I can tell you there's a hugely negative vibe emanating from both sides right now. Keeping this process on rails today will be challenging.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Godric on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:02 pm

Gaucho wrote:Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
I can tell you there's a hugely negative vibe emanating from both sides right now. Keeping this process on rails today will be challenging.


*rage*
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Re: Lockout

Postby Gaucho on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:03 pm

Yes.
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Re: Lockout

Postby penny lane on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:03 pm

Gaucho wrote:Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
I can tell you there's a hugely negative vibe emanating from both sides right now. Keeping this process on rails today will be challenging.


sending positive and love vibes now! 8-)
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Re: Lockout

Postby MRandall25 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:04 pm

...instead of adopting a union proposal that would recapture a team's salary cap advantage if a player retired before his contract ran out. The league continued to insist on a five-year contract limit, while allowing teams to re-sign their own players for seven years.


So the way I read this, the owners are firm on the 5 year limit thing, but wouldn't take the players' offer of wiping out the cap hit for retiring players. Notice how it says NOTHING about how long the players want the contracts to be, just that they don't want a 5 year limit.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Godric on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:05 pm

If they cancel this season, I'm going to laugh so hard when the players end up signing something worse than the current offer
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Re: Lockout

Postby llipgh2 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:05 pm

Nick Cotsonika
No live tweeting today. The sides are meeting on a private floor, and the hotel is kicking the media out of the building.


Private floor, no media. Good. Get it done.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Godric on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:06 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
...instead of adopting a union proposal that would recapture a team's salary cap advantage if a player retired before his contract ran out. The league continued to insist on a five-year contract limit, while allowing teams to re-sign their own players for seven years.


So the way I read this, the owners are firm on the 5 year limit thing, but wouldn't take the players' offer of wiping out the cap hit for retiring players. Notice how it says NOTHING about how long the players want the contracts to be, just that they don't want a 5 year limit.



owners should be kicking themselves right now... so nice of the devils, hawks and wild to completely ruin hockey for everyone
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Re: Lockout

Postby pens_srq on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:07 pm

Can the players not see that the cap can't have loopholes? There is no point to the cap if there are holes that allow people to circumvent it. I like the loyalty thing of resigning own free-agents to for 7 years. But I think it will / should end up more like: Max of 8 years on a contract with exception of 10 for own free agents.

The variance is not negotiable.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Gaucho on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:07 pm

Blackjack and hookers?
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Re: Lockout

Postby MRandall25 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:09 pm

pens_srq wrote:Can the players not see that the cap can't have loopholes? There is no point to the cap if there are holes that allow people to circumvent it. I like the loyalty thing of resigning own free-agents to for 7 years. But I think it will / should end up more like: Max of 8 years on a contract with exception of 10 for own free agents.

The variance is not negotiable.


I don't think they're arguing the variance, but that's just my take.
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Re: Lockout

Postby llipgh2 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:12 pm

Gaucho wrote:Blackjack and hookers?


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Re: Lockout

Postby pens_srq on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:13 pm

Maybe the negative vibe is that the players hate Bettman and Fehr's chemistry. Think they will **** **** up again.
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Re: Lockout

Postby penny lane on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:13 pm

Spoiler:
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It's been so long without hockey, i didn't recognize Flower!
from today's Southpointe practice.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Gaucho on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:18 pm

He didn't age well.
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