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Re: Lockout

Postby tfrizz on Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:24 pm

MRandall25 wrote:Just out of curiosity, what do teams in the NBA run at? Anyone know (not just directed at shmenguin)?


http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mli45gmi ... s/#content

Might as well be consistent with the source, I guess, though their NBA data is from almost a year ago.

Code: Select all
Team                     Operating Income
---------------------    ----------------
New York Knicks          $75.0-million
Chicago Bulls            $59.0-million
Cleveland Cavaliers      $33.0-million
Miami Heat               $26.0-million
Oklahoma City Thunder    $25.0-million
Los Angeles Lakers       $24.0-million
Golden State Warriors    $22.0-million
Houston Rockets          $18.0-million
San Antonio Spurs        $14.0-million
Phoenix Suns             $13.0-million
Detroit Pistons           $9.7-million
Los Angeles Clippers      $9.4-million
Boston Celtics            $7.7-million
Toronto Raptors           $7.4-million
Sacramento Kings          $6.4-million
Denver Nuggets           -$1.2-million
New Orleans Hornets      -$2.7-million
Washington Wizards       -$3.4-million
Dallas Mavericks         -$3.9-million
Minnesota Timberwolves   -$6.8-million
Portland Trail Blazers   -$7.4-million
Milwaukee Bucks          -$7.6-million
Philadelphia 76ers      -$10.0-million
Indiana Pacers          -$10.0-million
Atlanta Hawks           -$15.0-million
Orlando Magic           -$16.0-million
Utah Jazz               -$16.0-million
New Jersey Nets         -$24.0-million
Charlotte Bobcats       -$25.0-million
Memphis Grizzlies       -$25.0-million
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Re: Lockout

Postby Sarcastic on Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:28 pm

no variance limit

If players insist on that, there will be no hockey.
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Re: Lockout

Postby shmenguin on Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:32 pm

tfrizz wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:Just out of curiosity, what do teams in the NBA run at? Anyone know (not just directed at shmenguin)?


http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mli45gmi ... s/#content

Might as well be consistent with the source, I guess, though their NBA data is from almost a year ago.

Code: Select all
Team                     Operating Income
---------------------    ----------------
New York Knicks          $75.0-million
Chicago Bulls            $59.0-million
Cleveland Cavaliers      $33.0-million
Miami Heat               $26.0-million
Oklahoma City Thunder    $25.0-million
Los Angeles Lakers       $24.0-million
Golden State Warriors    $22.0-million
Houston Rockets          $18.0-million
San Antonio Spurs        $14.0-million
Phoenix Suns             $13.0-million
Detroit Pistons           $9.7-million
Los Angeles Clippers      $9.4-million
Boston Celtics            $7.7-million
Toronto Raptors           $7.4-million
Sacramento Kings          $6.4-million
Denver Nuggets           -$1.2-million
New Orleans Hornets      -$2.7-million
Washington Wizards       -$3.4-million
Dallas Mavericks         -$3.9-million
Minnesota Timberwolves   -$6.8-million
Portland Trail Blazers   -$7.4-million
Milwaukee Bucks          -$7.6-million
Philadelphia 76ers      -$10.0-million
Indiana Pacers          -$10.0-million
Atlanta Hawks           -$15.0-million
Orlando Magic           -$16.0-million
Utah Jazz               -$16.0-million
New Jersey Nets         -$24.0-million
Charlotte Bobcats       -$25.0-million
Memphis Grizzlies       -$25.0-million


this year's numbers would be more interesting, though this is enough to say the 2 leagues are apples and oranges
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Re: Lockout

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:34 pm

So the NBA is about 50/50 profit/loss (according to those numbers), and I think that number is after their lockout, no?.

I think that should be where the NHL ends up. Both leagues are similar enough.
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Re: Lockout

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:35 pm

Sarcastic wrote:no variance limit

If players insist on that, there will be no hockey.


Except they aren't...
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Re: Lockout

Postby shmenguin on Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:36 pm

not really. the NBA and NHL make their money differently. they shouldn't work off of each other for benchmarks
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Re: Lockout

Postby Sarcastic on Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:40 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
Sarcastic wrote:no variance limit

If players insist on that, there will be no hockey.


Except they aren't...


Well, good, cuz they ain't gettin' it.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Sarcastic on Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:41 pm

believe wrote on previous page:

In exchange, they are looking for 5 years max, 5% variance, and a 8-10 year term on CBA. The players are countering with 8 years, no variance limit, and a 6-8 year term on CBA.

Where is he/she getting that from?
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Re: Lockout

Postby Sarcastic on Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:43 pm

Nevermind. Duh. I need to read more carefully.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Sarcastic on Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:46 pm

Does anybody have some data on an average contract length? How many currently exist that are longer than 6 years?
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Re: Lockout

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:53 pm

Sarcastic wrote:Does anybody have some data on an average contract length? How many currently exist that are longer than 6 years?


There's at least 50 that are 6 years or more from when they were signed (it only lets me go up to 50): http://capgeek.com/leaders/?type=LENGTH ... 1&limit=50

42 of them were 7+.

Not sure how up to date that was.
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Re: Lockout

Postby JS© on Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:56 pm

This lockout is causing so much confusion. Now the players are forgetting which position they play.

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Re: Lockout

Postby Sarcastic on Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:58 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
Sarcastic wrote:Does anybody have some data on an average contract length? How many currently exist that are longer than 6 years?


There's at least 50 that are 6 years or more from when they were signed (it only lets me go up to 50): http://capgeek.com/leaders/?type=LENGTH ... 1&limit=50

42 of them were 7+.

Not sure how up to date that was.


It is interesting looking at that. We can see why players don't want to give up on long, guaranteed, contracts. In case they get injured or something. Going from that to 5 years max is pretty tough.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Sarcastic on Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:58 pm

JS© wrote:This lockout is causing so much confusion. Now the players are forgetting which position they play.

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:lol:
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Re: Lockout

Postby yubb on Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:00 pm

JS© wrote:This lockout is causing so much confusion. Now the players are forgetting which position they play.

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That's not how you wear the goalie glove either.
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Re: Lockout

Postby JS© on Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:01 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
Sarcastic wrote:Does anybody have some data on an average contract length? How many currently exist that are longer than 6 years?


There's at least 50 that are 6 years or more from when they were signed (it only lets me go up to 50): http://capgeek.com/leaders/?type=LENGTH ... 1&limit=50

42 of them were 7+.

Not sure how up to date that was.


48 forwards with 6 years or more.
32 defensemen
9 goaltenders...or 8 if you don't count DiPietro.

89 total
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Re: Lockout

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:02 pm

JS© wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:
Sarcastic wrote:Does anybody have some data on an average contract length? How many currently exist that are longer than 6 years?


There's at least 50 that are 6 years or more from when they were signed (it only lets me go up to 50): http://capgeek.com/leaders/?type=LENGTH ... 1&limit=50

42 of them were 7+.

Not sure how up to date that was.


48 forwards with 6 years or more.
32 defensemen
9 goaltenders...or 8 if you don't count DiPietro.

89 total


Why wouldn't you count DiPietro? He still has like 8 years left.

Unless it's a joke at that sound was it going over my head.
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Re: Lockout

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:03 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:I love reading tsn comments. For some reason they think player salaries going up makes ticket prices going up. Does school stop at 9th grade in canada or do they just not cover basic economics?


To be fair though, with the variances and teams needing upfront cash to front load contracts (this might have been a huge issue witht the Pens in a few years) its also not as simple economic wise across the leauge as players salaries being tied to revenues.
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Re: Lockout

Postby beLIEve on Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:08 pm

Sarcastic wrote:believe wrote on previous page:

In exchange, they are looking for 5 years max, 5% variance, and a 8-10 year term on CBA. The players are countering with 8 years, no variance limit, and a 6-8 year term on CBA.

Where is he/she getting that from?


Sorry, that was my mistake. Original post has been edited to correct it.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Idoit40fans on Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:08 pm

BurghersAndDogsSports wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:I love reading tsn comments. For some reason they think player salaries going up makes ticket prices going up. Does school stop at 9th grade in canada or do they just not cover basic economics?


To be fair though, with the variances and teams needing upfront cash to front load contracts (this might have been a huge issue witht the Pens in a few years) its also not as simple economic wise across the leauge as players salaries being tied to revenues.


The point is that ticket prices have nothing to do with the cba.
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Re: Lockout

Postby RisslingsMissingTeeth on Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:19 pm

And here you go, the very thing we are taking about:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1436 ... erm-limits

so like 20% at best are affected by what remains on the table. If they put the last offer up to vote, 80% of the players may have said, 'you bet!'. Of course, that assumes they have a brain.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Steve on Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:20 pm

Any updates on the Podium? Did they put it in the crusher?
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Re: Lockout

Postby Tim Thomasen on Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:20 pm

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Re: Lockout

Postby Mr. Colby on Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:21 pm

Sarcastic wrote:Does anybody have some data on an average contract length? How many currently exist that are longer than 6 years?


Bettman said in the presser that in 2004 there was 1 contract 6 yrs or longer. Now 90.
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Re: Lockout

Postby shmenguin on Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:23 pm

Tim Thomasen wrote:http://www.thepensblog.com/2012-archives/december/crosby-fed-up-is-europe-in-his-future.html


if he goes to europe, it means nothing
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