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Re: Lockout

Postby Tico Rick on Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:23 pm

Alles gut, mein Fehr!
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Re: Lockout

Postby no name on Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:52 pm

Tico Rick wrote:Alles gut, mein Fehr!


Try spell check. Wait is that Mexican Tico???
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Re: Lockout

Postby Gaucho on Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:22 am

Dave Molinari ‏@MolinariPG
Orpik joins Southpointe workout. Crosby, Fleury, Lovejoy, Vitale, Engelland, Niskanen, Cooke, Kennedy, Adams, Kunitz + Dupuis also there.

:(
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Re: Lockout

Postby penny lane on Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:34 am

Gaucho wrote:Dave Molinari ‏@MolinariPG
Orpik joins Southpointe workout. Crosby, Fleury, Lovejoy, Vitale, Engelland, Niskanen, Cooke, Kennedy, Adams, Kunitz + Dupuis also there.

:(

:shock:

you means brooks! ;)
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Re: Lockout

Postby Gaucho on Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:52 am

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
Further NHL regular season cancellations today. Thru Dec 30th.

Yay
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Re: Lockout

Postby scals37 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:57 am

:slug: :slug: :? :face: :scared:

man, today is just junk already
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Re: Lockout

Postby ulf on Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:01 pm

Lots of pens working out. You have to think a deal is somewhat close. If they don't strike a deal, they're all huge idiots. Well, even if they do, they probably still are.
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Re: Lockout

Postby CERV96 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:07 pm

ulf wrote:Lots of pens working out. You have to think a deal is somewhat close. If they don't strike a deal, they're all huge idiots. Well, even if they do, they probably still are.


Or they could just be in town for the holiday?

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Re: Lockout

Postby no name on Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:54 pm

Is that any more Pens than normal at that practice?? I am waiting for a that olive branch to be extened to get talks going again. I am hopeful that once thoes talks are brought back on, there will be a deal done.

I wonder if Sids deal will be null and void under the new CBA with that 5 yr clause, as well as all the others who would be effected.
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Re: Lockout

Postby penny lane on Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:56 pm

no shock, games cancelled to 12/30. the end is near.
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Re: Lockout

Postby no name on Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:56 pm

penny lane wrote:
Gaucho wrote:Dave Molinari ‏@MolinariPG
Orpik joins Southpointe workout. Crosby, Fleury, Lovejoy, Vitale, Engelland, Niskanen, Cooke, Kennedy, Adams, Kunitz + Dupuis also there.

:(

:shock:

you means brooks! ;)


Most of thoes players have Kids in school that would mostly be why they are in town. I am sure Sid being in town also keeps them around.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Gaucho on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:05 pm

At least schedule a f***ing meeting you stupid ****ing sons of ****ous *******. I've ****ing had it it with you **** ** ******* arseholes. Dammit.
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Re: Lockout

Postby SoupOrSam on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:13 pm

Second that ^
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Re: Lockout

Postby CERV96 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:44 pm

Yep ^
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Re: Lockout

Postby Rylan on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:45 pm

what's a 2 letter curse word? pi? of? fu? or? di?
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Re: Lockout

Postby Digitalgypsy66 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:46 pm

Now we've got the official Pens Twitter feed wishing Joe Morrow a belated happy birthday. Is this allowed? I'm only half-kidding.
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Re: Lockout

Postby penny lane on Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:11 pm

Gaucho wrote:At least schedule a f***ing meeting you stupid ****ing sons of ****ous *******. I've ****ing had it it with you **** ** ******* arseholes. Dammit.


:wink: I think this was Sid's full quote from Friday.
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Re: Lockout

Postby no name on Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:12 pm

Graucho i feel you anger, you have a certin way with words that expressed raw human emotion. Very real, you don't hide behind words.

I wish my wife could express her feeling like this, intead of always making me question how she feels.
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Re: Lockout

Postby CERV96 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:20 pm

I highly doubt this will work but I thought I would post it anyway.

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/eye-o ... st-drop-it
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Re: Lockout

Postby tfrizz on Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:29 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/10/sport ... html?_r=2&

Westgarth and several other players on the negotiating team spent the weekend filling in their fellow union members on what happened at last week’s talks in New York, which ended with Commissioner Gary Bettman angrily rejecting the union’s offer and pulling the league’s offers off the table.

“We have gone a lot further than a great percentage of the membership has wanted us to go,” Westgarth said. “I don’t know how you look at our offer and say that we’ve been unreasonable.”


“There are a half-dozen or more players who knew exactly where we were and could detail every aspect of where we were at,” Westgarth said, referring to last week’s talks. The league brought in four owners to join Jeremy Jacobs of Boston and Murray Edwards of Calgary in the negotiations.

“It became obvious that the guys they brought in had nowhere near a complete understanding of what the proposals were and where we were in the negotiations,” Westgarth said. “I thought it was great that Ron Burkle, Larry Tanenbaum, Mark Chipman and Jeff Vinik got involved — clearly they’re passionate and care about the game — but it shows how tightly controlled the league is.”

The talks broke down last week over the owners’ refusal to bargain if Donald Fehr was in the room.

“Part of their tactics is to demonize Don — we’ve seen it before,” Westgarth said. The settlement ending the 2004-5 lockout was not signed by the union’s executive director at the time, Bob Goodenow. He had been excluded from the process.
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Re: Lockout

Postby no name on Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:36 pm

tfrizz wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/10/sports/hockey/kevin-westgarth-brings-brains-to-nhl-labor-talks.html?_r=2&

Westgarth and several other players on the negotiating team spent the weekend filling in their fellow union members on what happened at last week’s talks in New York, which ended with Commissioner Gary Bettman angrily rejecting the union’s offer and pulling the league’s offers off the table.

“We have gone a lot further than a great percentage of the membership has wanted us to go,” Westgarth said. “I don’t know how you look at our offer and say that we’ve been unreasonable.”


“There are a half-dozen or more players who knew exactly where we were and could detail every aspect of where we were at,” Westgarth said, referring to last week’s talks. The league brought in four owners to join Jeremy Jacobs of Boston and Murray Edwards of Calgary in the negotiations.

“It became obvious that the guys they brought in had nowhere near a complete understanding of what the proposals were and where we were in the negotiations,” Westgarth said. “I thought it was great that Ron Burkle, Larry Tanenbaum, Mark Chipman and Jeff Vinik got involved — clearly they’re passionate and care about the game — but it shows how tightly controlled the league is.”

The talks broke down last week over the owners’ refusal to bargain if Donald Fehr was in the room.

“Part of their tactics is to demonize Don — we’ve seen it before,” Westgarth said. The settlement ending the 2004-5 lockout was not signed by the union’s executive director at the time, Bob Goodenow. He had been excluded from the process.


Typical PR banter, same thing we hear from the league.
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Re: Lockout

Postby shmenguin on Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:38 pm

ugh...westgarth. 28 years old, no apparent business training or experience, no meaningful role in the NHL. calls elite businessmen out on their understanding of the situation.

ok
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Re: Lockout

Postby tfrizz on Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:42 pm

shmenguin wrote:ugh...westgarth. 28 years old, no apparent business training or experience, no meaningful role in the NHL. calls elite businessmen out on their understanding of the situation.

ok


I'd rather hear what Westgarth than many of the other players in the NHLPA. The guy is well educated (psychology degree from Princeton) and makes league-minimum, so he's not even in that top group of players that people claim are holding up progress.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Digitalgypsy66 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:44 pm

tfrizz wrote:
shmenguin wrote:ugh...westgarth. 28 years old, no apparent business training or experience, no meaningful role in the NHL. calls elite businessmen out on their understanding of the situation.

ok


I'd rather hear what Westgarth than many of the other players in the NHLPA. The guy is well educated (psychology degree from Princeton) and makes league-minimum, so he's not even in that top group of players that people claim are holding up progress.

Westgarth has also been involved with the negotiations since day one; the newcomers, despite being billionaire businessmen, have not been active in the talks to this point.
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Re: Lockout

Postby shmenguin on Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:45 pm

yeah, i get that. i just don't see much credibility there - certainly not enough to validate his criticisms of the owners.
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