John Shannon
FYI: Today is classic mediation. Separate rooms for the 2 sides, mediators working between the rooms. #NHL,#NHLPA
no name wrote:I just don't like the league using a 5 year deal thing that has naver been tested on an open market. Players will play to their UFA an go somewhere to get the right salary, since teams won't have the room to pay them. When the NYR, etc can't buy great teams i think they will start singing different tunes about this 5 year deal thing.
beLIEve wrote:no name wrote:I just don't like the league using a 5 year deal thing that has naver been tested on an open market. Players will play to their UFA an go somewhere to get the right salary, since teams won't have the room to pay them. When the NYR, etc can't buy great teams i think they will start singing different tunes about this 5 year deal thing.
I understand your trepidation in having UFAs go somewhere to get the right salary since the pens are stocked with talent. But having players leave to go get more money elsewhere as a UFA is the very thing that will, in theory, balance talent across the league and give everyone a chance. It gives every team a chance to compete, which makes for a more exciting league, which makes for higher revenues, etc.
Gaucho wrote:Kindergarten.
re: separate rooms
Gaucho wrote:pens_srq wrote:A good move if I were the league would be to get all the players over here and claim Fehr spoiled the deal again.
How is that a good move?
beLIEve wrote:no name wrote:I just don't like the league using a 5 year deal thing that has naver been tested on an open market. Players will play to their UFA an go somewhere to get the right salary, since teams won't have the room to pay them. When the NYR, etc can't buy great teams i think they will start singing different tunes about this 5 year deal thing.
I understand your trepidation in having UFAs go somewhere to get the right salary since the pens are stocked with talent. But having players leave to go get more money elsewhere as a UFA is the very thing that will, in theory, balance talent across the league and give everyone a chance. It gives every team a chance to compete, which makes for a more exciting league, which makes for higher revenues, etc.
That being said, I still don't think 5 year limits are necessary. I think if they just made the salary for that year be the amount that counts against the cap for that year, you'd see the number of 6+ year deals go down. The only started appearing in the league in large numbers when it became apparent that it was a way to cheat the cap. They're trying to apply a band-aid (and one that is agitating the PA in the process), when the opportunity to fix the problem is right there in front of them.
no name wrote:I never thought as it seems less money will goto mid teir players, it actually will just make the next stars contract bigger. Once i big star gets paid less for since his skills are in declein, and the next gerneration star will pick up his slice of the pie.
I see players cashing in as high as possible during their prime years with this system.
no name wrote:beLIEve wrote:no name wrote:I just don't like the league using a 5 year deal thing that has naver been tested on an open market. Players will play to their UFA an go somewhere to get the right salary, since teams won't have the room to pay them. When the NYR, etc can't buy great teams i think they will start singing different tunes about this 5 year deal thing.
I understand your trepidation in having UFAs go somewhere to get the right salary since the pens are stocked with talent. But having players leave to go get more money elsewhere as a UFA is the very thing that will, in theory, balance talent across the league and give everyone a chance. It gives every team a chance to compete, which makes for a more exciting league, which makes for higher revenues, etc.
That being said, I still don't think 5 year limits are necessary. I think if they just made the salary for that year be the amount that counts against the cap for that year, you'd see the number of 6+ year deals go down. The only started appearing in the league in large numbers when it became apparent that it was a way to cheat the cap. They're trying to apply a band-aid (and one that is agitating the PA in the process), when the opportunity to fix the problem is right there in front of them.
ALos mentioned in a 5 year limit will not force teams to overpay for players after their prime years. Lets face it a player get thoes 13 year deals where at the end of the deals thoes players get, millions where their best days are behind them. This will force a team to only pay players thoes big millions when they are worth it.
I never thought as it seems less money will goto mid teir players, it actually will just make the next stars contract bigger. Once i big star gets paid less for since his skills are in declein, and the next gerneration star will pick up his slice of the pie.
I see players cashing in as high as possible during their prime years with this system.
Gaucho wrote:Why would the players agree to that?
Gaucho wrote:Dave Molinari @MolinariPG
Reports from New Jersey suggest CBA meetings appear to be over for the day and that little, if any, progress seems to have been made.
Gaucho wrote:beLIEve wrote:no name wrote:I just don't like the league using a 5 year deal thing that has naver been tested on an open market. Players will play to their UFA an go somewhere to get the right salary, since teams won't have the room to pay them. When the NYR, etc can't buy great teams i think they will start singing different tunes about this 5 year deal thing.
I understand your trepidation in having UFAs go somewhere to get the right salary since the pens are stocked with talent. But having players leave to go get more money elsewhere as a UFA is the very thing that will, in theory, balance talent across the league and give everyone a chance. It gives every team a chance to compete, which makes for a more exciting league, which makes for higher revenues, etc.
Imo, it will merely lead to every team going after the big names and overpaying for them even more, because whether we like it or not, it's the stars that are selling tickets, especially in non-traditonal markets or in a city like New York.
MRandall25 wrote:So this is how it ends... the owners and Bettman. Too much ego to negotiate. Too caught up in trying to make Donald Fehr look like the bad guy and break the union that they're willing to lose a season over it.
God I **** I hate this.
Pitt87 wrote:MRandall25 wrote:So this is how it ends... the owners and Bettman. Too much ego to negotiate. Too caught up in trying to make Donald Fehr look like the bad guy and break the union that they're willing to lose a season over it.
God I **** I hate this.
Are you kidding? No one is working to resolve the issue; the Fehr's over-promised and can't deliver, NHLPA is only representing PART of their membership in the negotiations, and the owners think they can break the union and are holding pat and bracing for a lawsuit. No one is trying to reach an agreement.... sign of the **** times.
Idoit40fans wrote:Pitt87 wrote:MRandall25 wrote:So this is how it ends... the owners and Bettman. Too much ego to negotiate. Too caught up in trying to make Donald Fehr look like the bad guy and break the union that they're willing to lose a season over it.
God I **** I hate this.
Are you kidding? No one is working to resolve the issue; the Fehr's over-promised and can't deliver, NHLPA is only representing PART of their membership in the negotiations, and the owners think they can break the union and are holding pat and bracing for a lawsuit. No one is trying to reach an agreement.... sign of the **** times.
Until they lose time in next season, no one can say that Fehr over-promised and failed to deliver. In fact, as it stands now, Fehr has delivered, the only way he fails is if the Union breaks. He has strengthened them without question, and thats what they brought him in to do.
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