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Re: Lockout

Postby shmenguin on Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:44 pm

no rollbacks, eh? i guess we're not in that much trouble compared to other some teams, but it's very possible that our 3rd line next season will be terrible.
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Re: Lockout

Postby DocEmrick on Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:45 pm

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Re: Lockout

Postby pressure=9Pa on Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:46 pm

Great58 wrote:
The nba has less variance not because of economics, but because of the elite players having so much direct influence on wins and losses

Then perhaps the correlate to that is the NHL has more variance due to their rules which reduce the ability of their elite players having so much direct influence on wins and losses.


The NBA max contract per player is artificially low, which means the top 5% of players choose what city to play in on factors other than salary. They choose ability to win, good weather, fun city, top exposure and the like because they will make the same number anywhere. There are many cities that cannot land the top player, even if they can afford them.
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Re: Lockout

Postby penny lane on Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:47 pm

i am going out on the limb, the bridge, and the cliff... i think we'll have penguin hockey soon.
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Re: Lockout

Postby ExPatriatePen on Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:48 pm

pressure=9Pa wrote:
Great58 wrote:
The nba has less variance not because of economics, but because of the elite players having so much direct influence on wins and losses

Then perhaps the correlate to that is the NHL has more variance due to their rules which reduce the ability of their elite players having so much direct influence on wins and losses.


The NBA max contract per player is artificially low, which means the top 5% of players choose what city to play in on factors other than salary. They choose ability to win, good weather, fun city, top exposure and the like because they will make the same number anywhere. There are many cities that cannot land the top player, even if they can afford them.

See also: Cleveland :pop:
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Re: Lockout

Postby ExPatriatePen on Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:49 pm

penny lane wrote:i am going out on the limb, the bridge, and the cliff... i think we'll have penguin hockey soon.

Better not be the fiscal cliff, that place is getting really crowded the last couple of days... :)
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Re: Lockout

Postby TheHammer24 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:52 pm

• Money paid (above a defined threshold) to Players on NHL SPCs in another professional league (e.g., the AHL or a European league) will be charged against the NHL team’s Cap, but not against the Players’ Share.


This is a cool feature for the fans and players.
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Re: Lockout

Postby shmenguin on Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:52 pm

with our roster, there's no one i can see shero using a buyout on. on one hand, he's done a great job not engaging in regrettable contracts. on the other hand, he's built a team where our defense still needs the services of paul stinking martin and his 5 million dollars.
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Re: Lockout

Postby mikey287 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:54 pm

Yeah, I can't imagine we would use the buyout on anyone unless there was a minor league contract that he wanted to dump, but that's extremely unlikely.
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Re: Lockout

Postby ExPatriatePen on Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:55 pm

mikey287 wrote:Yeah, I can't imagine we would use the buyout on anyone unless there was a minor league contract that he wanted to dump, but that's extremely unlikely.

Buyout Sid... :scared:
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Re: Lockout

Postby ExPatriatePen on Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:56 pm

Maybe you can trade the buyout for a top two defenseman.... :pop:
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Re: Lockout

Postby no name on Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:59 pm

penny lane wrote:i am going out on the limb, the bridge, and the cliff... i think we'll have penguin hockey soon.


With Fehr involved i lose any sence of optimism. I guarentee the deal as it will not be enough. Maybe just maybe, even at the slightest. Fehr might say we are close enough to send the players back and we can work out the rest of the details in the comming weeks. Thats what they did in 94'.

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Re: Lockout

Postby shmenguin on Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:00 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:Maybe you can trade the buyout for a top two defenseman.... :pop:


you may :pop: at this, but theoretically, with the new cap, isn't the price for a good 2nd pairing dman going to easily be under 5 mill in 2013? i don't think martin should feel safe. you can't give him up with no succession plan in place, but you can certainly replace him if someone interesting is available.
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Re: Lockout

Postby penny lane on Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:01 pm

no name wrote:
penny lane wrote:i am going out on the limb, the bridge, and the cliff... i think we'll have penguin hockey soon.


With Fehr involved i lose any sence of optimism. I guarentee the deal as it will not be enough. Maybe just maybe, even at the slightest. Fehr might say we are close enough to send the players back and we can work out the rest of the details in the comming weeks. Thats what they did in 94'.

See what you did... leave it to a woman to make me thing something good can happen.


"Remember Red~ hope is a good thing!" shawshank redemption :D
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Re: Lockout

Postby no name on Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:03 pm

mikey287 wrote:Yeah, I can't imagine we would use the buyout on anyone unless there was a minor league contract that he wanted to dump, but that's extremely unlikely.


Lets see, Tim Thomas, Wade Redding, Scott Gomez will all be availible after this...
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Re: Lockout

Postby pressure=9Pa on Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:08 pm

For entirely Pens related reasons, I hope the buyout is not part of the final offer. Too many teams in our division have contracts a lot worse than our worst contract.
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Re: Lockout

Postby DocEmrick on Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:08 pm

penny lane wrote:
no name wrote:
penny lane wrote:i am going out on the limb, the bridge, and the cliff... i think we'll have penguin hockey soon.


With Fehr involved i lose any sence of optimism. I guarentee the deal as it will not be enough. Maybe just maybe, even at the slightest. Fehr might say we are close enough to send the players back and we can work out the rest of the details in the comming weeks. Thats what they did in 94'.

See what you did... leave it to a woman to make me thing something good can happen.


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Let me tell you something my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane.
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Re: Lockout

Postby shmenguin on Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:10 pm

pressure=9Pa wrote:For entirely Pens related reasons, I hope the buyout is not part of the final offer. Too many teams in our division have contracts a lot worse than our worst contract.


i don't know...the flyers already have an out with pronger and i don't think the rangers have any contracts that they don't want except for redden. and even with him, i'm not sure he'll have any affect on the cap after this CBA. our division will be fairly unchanged, imo.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Idoit40fans on Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:10 pm

Im in favor of a buyout clause like that every time the cba changes
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Re: Lockout

Postby no name on Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:11 pm

penny lane wrote:
no name wrote:
penny lane wrote:i am going out on the limb, the bridge, and the cliff... i think we'll have penguin hockey soon.


With Fehr involved i lose any sence of optimism. I guarentee the deal as it will not be enough. Maybe just maybe, even at the slightest. Fehr might say we are close enough to send the players back and we can work out the rest of the details in the comming weeks. Thats what they did in 94'.

See what you did... leave it to a woman to make me thing something good can happen.


"Remember Red~ hope is a good thing!" shawshank redemption :D


Condier what Andy endured his first coulpe years in prision from "the sisters", this is what we the fans have endured from Fehr.
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Re: Lockout

Postby ExPatriatePen on Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:12 pm

DocEmrick wrote: Let me tell you something my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane.

this explains alot... :pop:
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Re: Lockout

Postby Sarcastic on Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:37 pm

New Player Discipline procedures and protocol incorporating Player appeal rights to a neutral third-party arbitrator for both on-ice and off-ice discipline.

^ that's pretty interesting.
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Re: Lockout

Postby opie22002 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:42 pm

UPDATE(11:50 PM EST): NHLPA drafting a counterproposal this afternoon, per Nick Kypreos.
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Re: Lockout

Postby PensFanInDC on Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:48 pm

Well crap
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Re: Lockout

Postby pressure=9Pa on Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:50 pm

Well, the East Coast Longshoreman aren't going on strike at the end of the month. Looks like we won't get two agreements in one day.
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