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MRandall25 wrote:Nothing new to see here. He's an AHL scorer, has been his entire career. Can't translate it into the NHL, yet.
joopen wrote:MRandall25 wrote:Nothing new to see here. He's an AHL scorer, has been his entire career. Can't translate it into the NHL, yet.
Yup, no reason to believe a 23 year old could ever improve... Next prospect plox
MRandall25 wrote:Nothing new to see here. He's an AHL scorer, has been his entire career. Can't translate it into the NHL, yet.
Noise wrote:the all capitals "MIGHT" implies cautious optimism. Don't know why you gotta give him crap for it. That's a pretty good amount of scoring for him even for his AHL standards.
MRandall25 wrote:Nothing new to see here. He's an AHL scorer, has been his entire career. Can't translate it into the NHL, yet.
It'sagreatdayforhockey! wrote:Noise wrote:the all capitals "MIGHT" implies cautious optimism. Don't know why you gotta give him crap for it. That's a pretty good amount of scoring for him even for his AHL standards.
Probably because...MRandall25 wrote:Nothing new to see here. He's an AHL scorer, has been his entire career. Can't translate it into the NHL, yet.
There shouldn't even be a might because he has shown the ability to score at that level. That's not why people have been down on him.
MRandall25 wrote:Nothing new to see here. He's an AHL scorer, has been his entire career. Can't translate it into the NHL, yet.
Gaucho wrote:Tangradi ... ... ... Crosby - Dupuis
mikey287 wrote:Frankly, I hated the team last year. The way they played down the stretch was a downright embarrassment. So if we're going to get back to our cycling offense (maybe sans the Malkin line, give them a pass if you need to), then you don't need these finesse, up and down, handsy guys...I mean, Christ, Chris Kunitz doesn't even fit the description you want...he's not all that talented...I mean, you talk about Sid scoring 50, it sounds like he couldn't squeeze water from a stone with Kunitz and Dupuis...how about the year he had 84 assists, who were his linemates then? Sounds like he was able to pass and score then. The year Crosby scored 50 goals, he only had 50 something assists...Kunitz missed like half the year and Dupuis had his typical static production...so, it sounds like those linemates didn't work. It just meant that Crosby had to do more to generate offense by himself. Because he had no help. It's not like that 50-goal year saw Dupuis register 61 assists...he had 20...right in line with his career production more or less...Crosby scored in spite of him...him and Kunitz for that matter, who is also pretty much a static producer...they don't really help him above replacement-level players I don't feel...
I'd rather have a 40+80 player than a 50+50 player in this context...so let's just cool out a minute here and see what direction Bylsma is going to take the team: back to its roots or back to the future...if it's the first one, the speed doesn't make as much of a difference...if it's the latter, and we play heads-in-our-asses hockey, then yeah, Tangradi will continue to rot on the fourth line because he's not fast enough to play firewagon hockey with the other idiots...
I know the Penguins organization likes him and his potential, they're excited about what he can do this year...and I was told that the only reason he didn't slide up in the lineup was to not mess with line chemistry. So, take that with as many salt grains as you need, even I'll take a couple...but they seem to have every intention on giving this kid an extended look in our lineup, which tells me - knowing his limitations - we're going to be less like the Washington Capitals and more like a winning team.
mikey287 wrote:He is a touch slow, in fact, he's a couple touches slow...for a player like that his offensive ability develops a lot slower than you'd expect. Bigger body, stronger, and playing against ever-quickening competition...it takes a little bit for a player that isn't blessed with a ton of natural skill, he's no Patrick Kane certainly, to figure it out. I used to have a player just like that a few years ago that I coached. Big kid, tall, not a lot of natural skill but he worked hard and thought the game really well...and at first, he really flubbed the puck around a lot and had trouble reading where passes should go and when...but I kept giving him ice time because I saw that he has the potential to do some really good things, plus he was my most defensively aware player on a defensive team. So, there ya go...
Seeing that I had a couple of workers without a ton of natural skill, I changed the team into a cycling offense (not unlike what you saw Cooke-Staal-Kennedy do for years...he was my Jordan Staal, and I told him that all the time and I showed him clips of things Jordan does and how he developed offensively and he even wore #11 for me...well, not for me, but, whatever...). And you could see him start to pick it up offensively, he was understanding how it worked offensively more and more while increasing his defensive capability because now he thinks on a higher level with the puck...by the last season that I had him, he was the catalyst for the team's offense and led the team in goals by a good margin as I recall...you'd never guess that he would ever lead a team in goals if you saw him doing drills at that first training camp...but you see something, you nurture it a little bit and you see what happens...
We look at last year and go "well, look Dupuis and Sullivan are faster, so obviously Tangradi can't do it" but the fact is, we had Andy Hilbert play with Sid, Colby Armstrong play with him, Ryan Malone play with him, Bill Guerin at 409 years old play with him...it's all a matter of what you want to make. If you want to have two lines that are all finesse and free-flowing offense like we were last year, like the Capitals have been throughout their existence, fine, then Tangradi is not a match, you're bang on. But if you want to try to find Lemieux's Kevin Stevens...or Forsberg's/Thornton's/Backstrom's Mike Knuble, then maybe you have something...maybe you don't...that's an exorbitantly high ceiling, but I'm just throwing out what you're throwing away...
Frankly, I hated the team last year. The way they played down the stretch was a downright embarrassment. So if we're going to get back to our cycling offense (maybe sans the Malkin line, give them a pass if you need to), then you don't need these finesse, up and down, handsy guys...I mean, Christ, Chris Kunitz doesn't even fit the description you want...he's not all that talented...I mean, you talk about Sid scoring 50, it sounds like he couldn't squeeze water from a stone with Kunitz and Dupuis...how about the year he had 84 assists, who were his linemates then? Sounds like he was able to pass and score then. The year Crosby scored 50 goals, he only had 50 something assists...Kunitz missed like half the year and Dupuis had his typical static production...so, it sounds like those linemates didn't work. It just meant that Crosby had to do more to generate offense by himself. Because he had no help. It's not like that 50-goal year saw Dupuis register 61 assists...he had 20...right in line with his career production more or less...Crosby scored in spite of him...him and Kunitz for that matter, who is also pretty much a static producer...they don't really help him above replacement-level players I don't feel...
I'd rather have a 40+80 player than a 50+50 player in this context...so let's just cool out a minute here and see what direction Bylsma is going to take the team: back to its roots or back to the future...if it's the first one, the speed doesn't make as much of a difference...if it's the latter, and we play heads-in-our-asses hockey, then yeah, Tangradi will continue to rot on the fourth line because he's not fast enough to play firewagon hockey with the other idiots...
I know the Penguins organization likes him and his potential, they're excited about what he can do this year...and I was told that the only reason he didn't slide up in the lineup was to not mess with line chemistry. So, take that with as many salt grains as you need, even I'll take a couple...but they seem to have every intention on giving this kid an extended look in our lineup, which tells me - knowing his limitations - we're going to be less like the Washington Capitals and more like a winning team...
Additional side note, Cooke can't play the right wing of a grinding line...he's left-handed. It would be a nearly insurmountable disadvantage tactically speaking.
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