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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 17)

Postby MRandall25 on Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:40 pm

mikey287 wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:First of my picks will be Al McDonough, RW. 156 games played, 56 goals, 130 points. Solid on the PP and in a checking role. Had his best career year with the Pens in 1972-73.


I think Martin is a fine selection at this point. My question is, you say that McDonough was used in a checking role...were you able to find any information on his defensive ability? That would really make a good pick at this point if you did. Otherwise, it's not bad, it's probably about right at this point in the process.


I found the info on McDonough here: http://www.legendsofhockey.net/LegendsO ... NEMZ3fNmSo

He played over 200 big league games and was a solid worker on the power play and could handle checking assignments efficiently.


He also made the All-Star game in 1973-74.

Honestly, that was the only place I found actual info on him other than stats. Though, it also says he was placed with Apps, so I could see where you're coming from.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby dman66 on Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:46 pm

I thought about taking Martin. I have nothing against him. People have expectations of him being like Gonchar, but they just aren't the same player.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 17)

Postby mikey287 on Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:13 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
mikey287 wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:First of my picks will be Al McDonough, RW. 156 games played, 56 goals, 130 points. Solid on the PP and in a checking role. Had his best career year with the Pens in 1972-73.


I think Martin is a fine selection at this point. My question is, you say that McDonough was used in a checking role...were you able to find any information on his defensive ability? That would really make a good pick at this point if you did. Otherwise, it's not bad, it's probably about right at this point in the process.


I found the info on McDonough here: http://www.legendsofhockey.net/LegendsO ... NEMZ3fNmSo

He played over 200 big league games and was a solid worker on the power play and could handle checking assignments efficiently.


He also made the All-Star game in 1973-74.

Honestly, that was the only place I found actual info on him other than stats. Though, it also says he was placed with Apps, so I could see where you're coming from.


Yeah, that could just be Pelletier fluff...it doesn't appear as if he ever killed penalties either, that's why I wasn't too sure.

I just did a newspaper archive check through and when he was acquired it seems he was brought in for goal-scoring and to supplement the team's weak right side (mentioning that they don't have any good prospects at RW at the time). The coach at the time said that he was brought in for goal-scoring. Also said that the Kings used him sparingly (they weren't exactly a talent-laden team either at the time). Later, the coach - remaining nameless on purpose - was asked how he's going to handle the Bruins (of course, a record-breaking offense in those years) and said he was going to use all 18 of his guys just to stop the top line. I bring that up because it would have been a good opportunity to bring up the acquisition of McDonough and how he might help, but he wasn't brought into the conversation. It appears that he had a good, hard shot though - so that's a plus.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby meow on Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:09 am

I think this makes the third straight time MrRandall has swooped in and snatched my pick away from me. Paul Martin is seriously underrated around here. Seriously.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 11)

Postby meow on Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:10 am

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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby Gaucho on Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:11 am

I don't know, it may just be case of those hating him being the loudest.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby mikey287 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:39 pm

I have a request to add a player to the draft pool who doesn't quite meet the 150 GP standard. Zbynek Michalek, D. He has 148 games over two seasons and would have reasonably hit the mark if not for injury. Any objection to this? Do you feel he should have to wait a round to be selected? Do you think he should not be included at all? Do you feel he can go at any point? Please discuss.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby MRandall25 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:45 pm

I almost picked him over Martin, but didn't because he was only at 148

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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby Gaucho on Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:47 pm

mikey287 wrote:I have a request to add a player to the draft pool who doesn't quite meet the 150 GP standard. Zbynek Michalek, D. He has 148 games over two seasons and would have reasonably hit the mark if not for injury. Any objection to this? Do you feel he should have to wait a round to be selected? Do you think he should not be included at all? Do you feel he can go at any point? Please discuss.


There are probably some other players that would be eligible if not for some games missed due to injury. I feel he should not be included, if only to keep things simple.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby meow on Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:07 pm

I'm fine with having a 150 game limit be a hard limit. I'll keep looking.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby meow on Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:49 pm

With the 2nd pick in the 18th round, Muck, Grind & Repeat selects, Andrew Ference.

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Can skate, hit, fight, move the puck, kill penalties, give you 18-20 minutes a night. Low maintenance guy. Injuries really hampered him during his time here, but when he was healthy is was effective.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby mikey287 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:03 pm

Ignoring the pick for a second if I can...this is another noodle-scratcher for me. Why did we give up on Andrew Ference? If I remember right, it was just for future considerations and it later became a mid-round pick (a 3rd?). I was pretty disappointed in that at the time and not that the shockwaves are still being felt today or anything like that, it still resonates as another curious move by management in that 1994-2004 window. Why give up on a cheap, young player when your team is cheap, young players? At least this one was homegrown...

It's not like we got a piece back, we let it go for futures at the time...the trade call must have went like this:

Calgary: Hey Craig, we're interested in Ference...
Patrick: Deal.
*click*
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby Gaucho on Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:54 pm

Crap, I wanted Andy, and yes, mikey, I was shocked when the deal happened.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby meow on Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:14 pm

Injuries, injuries, injuries.

2011-12
3/11/2012
Missed 5 games (lower body injury).
3/03/2012
Lower body injury, day-to-day.
2/02/2012
Missed 3 games (suspended by nhl).
1/22/2012
Suspended by the NHL for 3 games.
11/17/2011
Missed 2 games (lower body injury).
11/12/2011
Lower body injury, day-to-day.
2010-11
3/19/2011
Missed 9 games (lower body injury).
2/27/2011
Lower body injury, day-to-day.
1/20/2011
Missed 3 games (hip injury).
1/15/2011
Hip injury, day-to-day.
2009-10
4/15/2010
Missed 9 games (groin).
3/27/2010
Groin, day-to-day.
3/24/2010
Signed by the Boston Bruins to a three-year contract extension.
3/18/2010
Missed 8 games (groin).
3/04/2010
Groin, day-to-day.
2/07/2010
Missed 14 games (groin).
1/07/2010
Groin, late February.
1/05/2010
Undisclosed, day-to-day.
2008-09
5/14/2009
Missed 4 playoff games (lower body injury).
5/08/2009
Lower body injury, day-to-day.
5/01/2009
Missed 4 regular season and 4 playoffs games (undisclosed).
4/06/2009
Undisclosed, sidelined indefinitely.
1/27/2009
Missed 31 games (right leg injury).
11/14/2008
Right leg injury, early January.
2007-08
4/10/2008
Missed 7 games (leg injury).
3/25/2008
Leg injury, day-to-day.
12/12/2007
Missed 12 games (sprained knee).
11/17/2007
Sprained knee, sidelined indefinitely.
11/15/2007
Missed 4 games (upper body injury).
11/04/2007
Upper body injury, day-to-day.
2006-07
4/03/2007
Missed 1 game (arm injury).
4/01/2007
Arm injury, day-to-day.
9/29/2006
Re-signed by the Calgary Flames to a three-year contract extension.
2005-06
8/10/2005
Re-signed as a restricted free agent by the Calgary Flames.
2004-05
12/01/2004
NHL lockout: Signed with the HC Ceske Budejovice (Cze-Rep.1).
2002-03
6/10/2003
Re-signed by the Calgary Flames.
4/05/2003
Missed the last 9 games of the regular season (ankle injury).
3/20/2003
Ankle injury, day-to-day.
2/10/2003
Acquired from the Pittsburgh Penguins.
11/29/2002
Recalled from Wilkes-Barre/Scranton (AHL).
11/26/2002
Assigned to Wilkes-Barre/Scranton (AHL).
11/26/2002
Missed 20 games (groin).
11/20/2002
Groin, early December.
7/31/2002
Re-signed by the Pittsburgh Penguins.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby meow on Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:17 pm

Well, looking at that, he wasn't hurt often while with the Penguins.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby Rylan on Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:22 pm

With the 105th pick in the LGP draft, the Degloving Kings are proud to select from Sturgeon Falls, Ontario:

RW William "Dan" Frawley

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Not the most talented available. But certainly a hard worker not afraid to protect his teammates and certainly not afraid to fight anyone anywhere. Despite a limited skill-set his hard work and guts helped make him an A for the Penguins at one point.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby mikey287 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:29 pm

I think I've come away with the best or second goalie in franchise history (Barrasso) and now I think I have the third best also...what say you?

Thrilled, and have been waiting several rounds, to select Denis Herron, G
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby mikey287 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:30 pm

Denis Herron

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Position: Goaltender
5'11" / 165 lbs.
Catches: Left

As a Penguin (1972-Jan. 1975; 1976-1979; 1982-1986): 290 GP - 88 wins, 133 losses, 44 ties, 3.88 GAA, .886 save pct., 6 shutouts -- playoffs: 10 GP - 3 wins, 7 losses, 3.49 GAA, .895 save pct.*, 0 shutouts

* - might be .887, but I don't think empty net goals were removed from his ledger.

[8062 saves on 9103 shots both should be 3rd all time in Pens history]

In Penguins history: 3rd in GP - 4th in wins, 7th in save pct.*, t-5th in shutouts

* - eyeballing it.

Normally I'd put how many seasons a player has played here, but with Herron it's tricky. He played parts of 10 seasons with the Pens, but only played 40 or more games three times. And only 25 or more six times.

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Award Voting:

Hart: t-7th (2nd among goalies)
All-Star Voting (G): t-10th*

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Goaltending stats vs. the league: [top-10 finishes only] (added save pct. numbers since they probably can't be found in many places - league average added for comparison).

1972-73: 18 games - fails to meet GP requirement
1973-74: 5 games - ""
1974-75: 3 games - ""
1976-77: 5th in save pct. (Herron: .910; league average: .891)
1977-78: 8th in save pct. (Herron: .901; league average: .889)
1978-79: t-10th in wins, 9th in save pct. (Herron: .892; league average: .883)
1982-83: t-8th in shutouts (Herron: .838; league average: .875)
1983-84: 9th in save pct. (Herron: .884; league average: .873)
1984-85: t-9th in shutouts (Herron: .875; league average: .875)
1985-86: 3 games - fails to meet GP requirement

The GAA figures are readily available on H-R, save pct. figures are compiled as it wasn't an official stat yet. But look, Herron played on some horrendous teams and never finishes top-10 in GAA as a Penguin, only finishes on the outskirts of top-10 in wins once (though, he has a couple of 11th places in some categories) but look at his save pct. - 4 times in 6 seasons he was in the top-10 in the league despite being on a horrendous team! I wish I could post what he did save pct.-wise when he went to Montreal, but I don't want to skew the opinions with outside stuff. I was quite surprised when I did my research earlier that Herron looks this good - relatively speaking.
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Goaltending stats vs. backups (note: "pts/gm" figure is measured by "gm = mins/60 - not tradition "GP" figure)

1972-73: 18 GP: 0.87 pts/gm, 3.41 GAA, .879 save pct., 2 shutouts
Others (3): 69 GP: 0.95 pts/gm, 3.31 GAA, .901 save pct., 3 shutouts

1973-74: 5 games
1974-75: 3 games
1976-77: 34 GP: 1.09 pts/gm, 2.94 GAA, .910 save pct., 1 shutout
Other: 51 GP: 0.96 pts/gm, 3.23 GAA, .899 save pct., 5 shutouts

1977-78: 60 GP: 0.94 pts/gm, 3.57 GAA, .901 save pct., 0 shutouts
Backup: 24 GP: 0.62 pts/gm, 5.07 GAA, .838 save pct., 0 shutouts

1978-79: 56 GP: 1.05 pts/gm, 3.37 GAA, .892 save pct., 0 shutouts
Backup: 29 GP: 1.09 pts/gm, 3.54 GAA, .882 save pct., 2 shutouts

1982-83: 31 GP: 0.53 pts/gm, 5.31 GAA, .838 save pct., 1 shutout
Other: 55 GP: 0.58 pts/gm, 4.50 GAA, .860 save pct., 0 shutouts

1983-84: 38 GP: 0.53 pts/gm, 4.08 GAA, .885 save pct., 1 shutout
Backups (2): 52 GP: 0.43/pts/gm, 5.12 GAA, .860 save pct., 1 shutout

1984-85: 42 GP: 0.63 pts/gm, 4.65 GAA, .875 save pct., 1 shutout
Backups (2): 49 GP: 0.68 pts/gm, 4.80 GAA, .867 save pct., 1 shutout

1985-86: 3 games

He beats his backups/tandem partners pretty well over the course of his career here. As a starter on those horrid teams, I imagine he got the brunt of the work too...it was likely Herron that had to play the Islanders in the 80's and the Habs/Bruins in the 70's...but the information wasn't readily available to me, so I didn't do too much research as I don't believe it would have had much more of an effect. Look at his dominance in 1978 vs. his teammates! My heavens, I'm not sure if I've seen anything so lopsided. His teammates gave up over 6 more goals every 100 shots that season vs. Herron!

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Legends of Hockey wrote:Did you know that Denis Herron was the first goaltender in NHL history to make team's roster out of training camp right after he was drafted? I know I certainly did not know that. That's pretty amazing for any goalie in any era, the list of goalies who have done that must be pretty small.

By October of '72 Herron was the starting goalie for the Penguins. Veteran XXX XXXXXXXXXX temporarily had to make room for the hotshot who had an amazing training camp. Herron won his first two road starts of the season with shutouts against the New York Islanders and Vancouver Canucks.

Watching closely was his old team, the Pittsburgh Penguins. Realizing they may have been too impatient in dealing the young goalie away, the Pens reacquired Herron by signing him as a free agent in August 1976.

Despite a broken arm interrupting his season, Herron had a terrific 1976-77 season. He went 15-11-5 record with a 2.94 GAA, leading the Penguins into the NHL post-season.

For his at-times spectacular play, Herron was never blessed with the opportunity to play for a team that was not labelled as mediocre at best.

In three of Lafleur's 6 seasons where he scored 50 goals he notched the magical 50 goal mark against Herron.

But do not judge Denis Herron by his statistics. They made be bad, but the teams he played on were usually worse.


The Deseret News - Jan. 22, 1974 wrote:"We were fortunate to get a goalie the caliber of Herron at the time we did and keep him as long as we did. He did a good job here." [former goalie Al Rollins]


The Leader-Post - Nov. 30, 1972 wrote:The Leafs and Penguins each had 36 shots on goal, but Pittsburgh's rookie Denis Herron made several sensational saves to frustrate the Toronto attackers.


Pittsburgh Post-Gazette - Dec. 3, 1976 wrote:[notes how Herron broke his arm in the first game of the year and the other Pens goalies sucked]...It was up to Herron to bring it all back, which he did last night in the most improbable of places. On one of the most feared skating surfaces in North America and against one of the most talented clubs in the National Hockey League. Herron defeated the New York Islanders, 4-2, in his first appearance since Oct. 6, the night he broke his arm.

Herron was about to go out and shovel snow out of his Pittsburgh driveway yesterday afternoon when assistant general manager XXX XXXXXXX put in the emergency call..."We originally were going to send Denis to Hershey for a few games," Coach XXX XXXXXXXX said..."Then we found out XXXX probably wouldn't be able to play, so XXX said, "What the hell, Denis stones these guys."

Herron would surely get a ringing endorsement from the Islanders, who put 39 shots on goal but could only score twice, once on a power play.

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There is one thing, however, the Penguins do not have any more. That is a problem in goal.


Pittsburgh Post-Gazette - Apr. 18, 1979 wrote:Penguin goaltender Denis Herron said yesterday that he intends to take matters into his own hands if his teammates continue to allow Bruins to stand at the edge of the crease when the best-of-seven Stanley Cup quarterfinal playoff series resumes tonight at Boston Garden.

"I'll whack them with my stick," Herron said after a light workout. "Right across the ankles, too. They like to stand in front of the net, but you can't let them get away with that if you want to beat them."

"We have to clean up our own end." XXXXXXXXXX says. "What killed us was the way we played in our zone. You can't give the puck away against the Bruins because they'll put it in the net.


The Montreal Gazette - Mar. 3, 1977 wrote:The little Pittsburgh goalie is one of the best in the league, but not when he goes against Lafleur.


The Pittsburgh Press - Jan. 23, 1978 wrote:His saves, often miraculous, Herron stopped 18 Ranger shots in a frantic final period and 32 overall while drawing his first start since Dec. 17.

In the third period, Herron saved the necks of his teammates with his brilliance, notably against aging but dangerous Phil Esposito...

Esposito cut loose from 15 feet in front of the Penguin goal. The shot seemed ticketed for the net, but Herron flashed out his catching glove and caught the puck, the momentum driving him off his skates and onto the seat of his pants. "Everything just was working," Herron said of his performance that was dependent on the lightning glove more than anything else...


The Pittsburgh Press - Oct. 20, 1977 wrote:If you would put them on a see-saw, three Denis Herrons wouldn't equal Phil Esposito and Greg Polis, but last night one Herron balanced out those two heavyweights. ...the skinny little goaltender, barricaded the Penguin goal through a first-period barrage of 18 New York Rangers shots.

"If not for Herron, we blow them out in the first period," marveled Ranger Coach Jean-Guy Talbot. "If we play every game like that, well, not many goalies are going to stop that many pucks."


The Miami News - Feb. 1, 1978 wrote:They're also getting spectacular goaltending from Denis Herron, who made 48 saves to beat the Red Wings 5-3 in their home rink. "I expected a lot of shots, but not 51!" Herron said after his Penguins were outshot 51-20.

Herron actually stopped 49 pucks because someone in the stands beaned him with one after the final buzzer.


The Phoenix - Feb. 22, 1979 wrote:Goalie Denis Herron led the way as Pittsburgh Penguins beat Montreal 3-1 Wednesday in a National Hockey League game that halted the Canadiens' unbeaten string at 14 games.

"Denny probably played his best game of the year," Said Penguins' coach XXXXXX XXXXXX. "He made some spectacular saves..."

"It was one of the best of the year for me," said Herron, who stonewalled the Canadiens for all eight minutes of their power play.


The Pittsburgh Press - Apr. 5, 1978 wrote:He weighs about as much as an armful of groceries, but there is no method of measuring the contribution of Denis Herron to the Penguins in a season that otherwise should be forgotten.

Behind a defense that has been a disappointment, Herron too often found the puck in his own net. He has remained cool, in spite of the working conditions.

...He registered two of them (shutouts) as a rookie with the Penguins six years ago before becoming a pawn in a management squabble and being shipped to Hershey.


The Spokesman-Review - Mar. 9, 1977 wrote:Goalie Denis Herron stopped 32 shots, including two on breakaways in the period, to score his first shutout of the season...

Herron came up with several remarkable plays in addition to stopping Wilf Paiement and Nelson Pyatt when they came at him on breakways.


Pittsburgh Post-Gazette - Oct. 19, 1983 wrote:Last night, the Penguins wasted a magnificient performance by goalie Denis Herron.


Pittsburgh Post-Gazette - Jan. 10, 1986 wrote:The strange career of goaltender Denis Herron took another twist yesterday when the Penguins demoted him to their Baltimore farm club in the American Hockey League.

"It caught me by surprise, and I'm not sure I want to go down there. My contract ends in April, and it's obvious they don't want me here. But there may be only three or four months left in my career, and after giving nine years to this organization, through good times and bad times, this is the worst. It just shows what kind of class they have." [Herron said]

He made his first appearance since Nov. 24 when the Penguins tied the touring Moscow Dynamo, 3-3, Saturday night at the Civic Arena. After a shaky start, Herron played superbly against the Russians, even though he had practiced sparingly the previous couple of weeks.


Ed. note: It's a pretty sad tale about Herron. He was told at training camp he would just be an insurance policy if someone got hurt. He asked to be traded, the Flyers offered a trade for him and the Penguins rejected saying that they won't help them or anyone else (by trading Herron to them). He cleared waivers, they wouldn't release him, they would suspend him if he didn't report. He said that they don't care about his situation and still Herron said "I understand it's a business, but being treated this way is very hard to take, especially since they waited until [coach] had gone out of town to tell me about it. I'd have liked for him to have told me this face-to-face, but I guess he couldn't do it."

...pretty brutal for a guy that, when he retired, played 100 more games than any other net custodian in franchise history. Epilogue: Herron did report saying that the only way to get traded is to impress somebody and you can't impress anybody if you don't play.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby MRandall25 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:46 pm

I figured that was who you had in mind when we were discussing goalies after my Wregget pick.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby Gaucho on Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:26 pm

Seems like every player mikey selects is a steal. :pop:
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby Gaucho on Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:47 pm

I'm going to pick me a 3rd line center:

Orest Kindrachuk, C/LW

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A member of both Cup winning teams for the Flyers - Boo! Hiss! - Kindrachuk was regarded as one of the premier checking line centers of his time. Traded to the Penguins in 78, he served as the team's captain for three seasons. He'd probably have a little longer stint with the Pens if not for some chronic injuries. He's barely eligible with 144 + 7 GP, collecting 42 G and 81 A, but he'll further strengten my already awesome collection of fine two-way players. Ho hum.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby mikey287 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:27 pm

Gaucho wrote:Seems like every player mikey selects is a steal. :pop:


:lol: I think I've been pretty fair, no? I praised some late picks, like Ryan Whitney I recall specifically...I even backed Morozov!

But now that you mention it, Kindrachuk is complete garbage and a waste of turn...who's next!?!?!

Kindrachuk, actually, is very good value here I feel. He was an impressive defensive player and I would have drafted him already had I not thought that I did when I took Ross Lonsberry...for some reason, I assumed I somehow took both but clearly I didn't...

Kindrachuk gets scant recognition in 1979 for his defensive play (early Selke nod) and he was just one of two plus-forwards (Greg Malone) on a team with a ~-50 goal diff in 1980. It's a shame he doesn't have that third season with us, but I think still he's a very good fourth liner at this level.

EDIT: I'll also say that re: Herron. He finished top-10 in save percentage 4 times out of a possible 6. Barrasso and Fleury did it a combined 4 times out of a possible 15.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby Gaucho on Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:34 pm

mikey287 wrote:
Gaucho wrote:Seems like every player mikey selects is a steal. :pop:


:lol: I think I've been pretty fair, no?


It's all good. :wink:
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby Gaucho on Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:38 pm

I have to admit that I only checked Herron's W/L record and decided he wasn't any good. It's still a wasted pick, because there's no way Barrasso will get along with him. :lol:
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 18)

Postby mikey287 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:43 pm

Gaucho wrote:I have to admit that I only checked Herron's W/L record and decided he wasn't any good. It's still a wasted pick, because there's no way Barrasso will get along with him. :lol:


:lol: That's why I drafted a nice, light goalie that he can just throw some place else when he gets sick of him. H-R lists him at 165, but in my research, I stumbled upon the fact that early in his career he had all of his teeth pulled (!) and lost 15 pounds one offseason...contemporary sources placed him at about 150. Durability concerns abound, just two 50+ game seasons help to confirm that - though he did play some of his career in the tandem goalie era. He's at least the best backup here, and I really do believe that he has a claim for third best goalie in team history.
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